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Post by Owen on Jun 21, 2010 3:46:45 GMT -6
And to give credit where credit is due...
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Post by Owen on Jun 22, 2010 4:42:59 GMT -6
I feel absolutely splendid. For the first time in my brief Spies "career", I was pretty involved in getting a spy lynched and actually had legit facts and reasoning instead of a gut feeling. I did exactly what I said I wanted to do coming into the game; actually hunt, be more aggressive with my suspicions, talk to as many citizens as possible and try get myself in working relationships with them. It was a nice feeling of accomplishment.
And then I get on AIM today and I'm a supposed candidate to have bussed Alexei. This is according to Savannah, who has contributed little to nothing. Of course someone who is on the opposing wagon that has a bit of suspicion on her from others is going to be the one to try to create other targets. What in the fuck has she done? I mean, who is she? I'M VERY VENOMOUS AND ANGRY. You made a damn well good decision casting her. I hope you're pleased with yourself.
I'M TOO ANGRY TO TALK. I WANT TO SMASH SOMEONES HEAD IN.
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Post by Owen on Jun 22, 2010 6:28:04 GMT -6
WHO IS SHE? WHO IS SHE? WHO IS SHE? WHERE DID YOU FIND HER? I can feel the venom pour out of me as I breathe. I hate her. I tell you now, I'm gonna find it very difficult to be pleasant with "it" for the rest of the week I'm afraid (or day, since I'm probably gonna die). VERY difficult. I don't even want to look at "it." Yeah, now that I've got that out of the way... what has she done? I'll answer that. She's completely disregarded legit information about Alexei. She's played passive aggressive bitch during the whole Zed argument. She's clearly not looking into things too much, as she claimed that I didn't contribute to pushing the Alexei lynch. The fact that she's claiming that I had nothing to do with the Alexei lynch either means she's a) not paying attention or b) she's a lying sack of shit and is trying to create a target. If she was so adamant that I had nothing to do with it, why did she not question me once I entered the chat? In fact, she didn't mention me once. Shit will pop off if I stay and she continues to act as though I wasn't a contributing factor in getting Alexei lynched. And of course, you know that Jenny was the one to invite me to the chat. Did she say a word to me after that? Of course not. That wouldn't be in Jenny's character, and when has she been anything but consistent? It's actually really starting to bug me. Even before the lynch she would give us countdowns to when Exile was, as if none of us had functioning clocks... and you know, like there's not a countdown clock on top of the forum. How about you provide us with some of your thoughts instead of providing us with things that we can get ourselves? Another part that bothers me is that I really get the urge to say something to her quite often, but I feel like I'd get jumped all over if I was to question Prince Jennifer in such a fashion. God knows that most of us are thinking the same thing, but to be the one to actually say it? Terrible. Nobody else is particularly bothering me right now, but sometimes I get the feeling that a majority of the spies are on the Republicans. I look left, I see something scummy. I look right, I see something scummy. Maybe being slightly naive last season was better for my stress level, but I feel like I'm seeing shit that I never would have picked up last time. It's a blessing and a curse. Actually, scratch the "nobody else is bothering me" thing. I'm more iffy on Zed than I was last round. I guess with Alexei out of the picture I don't have to be a tunnelvisioning asshole, but really, even before the Exile I had second thoughts. Zed says some of the oddest and most questionable things that I've seen in Spies in my short "CAREER." Going back and forth between stories of signing off AIM/forgetting to sign off/being tired or whatever the fuck happened or it's calling The Burg "HQ" are things that make it difficult to ignore Zeddy. I want to ignore him if he was the spies easy target, but the fact is that Alexei NEVER took a stance against him and never ended up voting for him. Zed, in return, did not vote for Alexei. Why would players with their head on the chopping block vote in directions that were clearly not going to have an effect on the majority? Oh right, perhaps they're BOTH spies. And from the looks of it, Alexei lacked a bit of backbone (sorry Alexei, just the impression I got) so it wouldn't surprise me if he couldn't pull the trigger on a vote against another spy. Non-contribution was another thing that was bothering me about Zed, but I got more out of his most recent post in The Burg than I expected from him. The problem with his post? It had absolutely no mention of me. Zeddy, please don't be making another epic spy slip and leaving me out because you know I'll be dead next. I'm not the only player left out, but the other ones that were left out are ones that are likely to be replaced: douchebag pot activist Allan (like I said, real potheads are chill, you impostors needs to chill the fuck out) and agreeable inactive Kiara. Where am I in all of this? I'm certainly not an inactive, so I see absolutely no reason for me to be left off the list. If I wasn't concerned about being imprisoned before this, I certainly am now. Please let this just be an honest mistake. I came into this not wanting to worry about Imprisonment like I did last time, because it affected how I played the game a great deal. Now I'm starting wonder if I should have held onto that overly paranoid way of thinking, because this time it makes complete sense to imprison me. This time is much different than last time -- I thought that just because I lynched a spy in the first exile meant that I was a prime target to be night killed. I didn't take into account (or even realize, honestly) the other things that went into making those kind of decisions. Now that I think that I'm aware of what happens with these imprisonments, I KNOW that at this point I'm a prime candidate. It isn't like last time where I was a last second vote on a spy at the first exile. I was onto Alexei's actions, I was forward in my suspicions about him and backed them up with solid thoughts and evidence, and I stuck on that scummy bastard when others were jumping off board. It didn't help that when I got a vote at exile others were like "Owen?!? Why?!?" I know it was partially because he didn't announce the vote to anyone previously, but I also think there was a sense of shock that he would vote for me. I truly don't believe that my actions have been suspect in the least and I'm visible enough to be considered a threat. Why not kill me? I really feel like I'm already mourning here, similar to how I felt when I was writing my Final Words for last season. I don't mind being imprisoned, because I know that usually the players that are doing better in the game are the ones to get imprisoned. What I do mind is being imprisoned THIS early, when I've barely gotten the opportunity to get into the game. I know all of us want to stay (other than Allan, of course) but I feel so invested in this right now. With this being the last season and all and me finally feeling confident about my playing ability, I don't want it to end quicker than Stacey & her two minute sex. Now that I've caught one of those fuckers, I want to get the rest. If I do end up staying, I only have legitimate trust in one person right now, and that's Nita. That's not to say that I don't like any of the others, because I particularly enjoy conversations with Themba, Rondak, and even HAMBONE. They're good people, but I'm not exactly convinced that all of them are citizens yet. Nita on the other hand, is rockin' some B.E.P next level shit to the infinity for the town. If she's a spy, we've got the second coming of Vladimir coming here. She's smart and observant, she's assertive, and (besides to douchebags) she's friendly. If I were the doctor, which I'm unfortunately not, I would be on her right now. If the doctor isn't on her and she's town, I'll likely be saying adios to mi amigo even if it's not me to go. With that, I've considered sending Nita a PM of sorts before I die, so that my fatty-loving spirit could live on even if those bastards kill me. Right now I'm thinking that's not going to happen, mainly because I don't feel like I have enough time to compile something adequate. What am I going to send her right now?... Jenny's cringe-worthy routine of playing game mother? That I want to kick Savannah in the funny-bone with a steel-toe boot? That would be awkward if we both stayed; someone I want as my main ally thinking that I promote violence against Asian women. Maybe I could tell her that Zedekiah says stupid shit? Nothing new there. I'm gonna go de-stress myself (take that how you may) and try to get some sleep. But, before that... Savannah - Zed instigator, ignored Alexei case, quite possibly a tranny (I find it rather suspicious that nobody else has brought this up, to my knowledge), making uninformed statements to create targets, quick to make targets out of lurkers/inactives. Jenny - Ignored Alexei case, the Republican's extra buddy list, doesn't ask enough questions, clearly tries to make herself seem useful to the group without offering many of her own thoughts (other than offering tips to Rondak, apparently). Zedekiah - Do I really need to say this shit again? I think everyone (myself included) has repeated the same things like a broken record. ----------- Themba - She makes me laugh a lot, therefor she could be a spy. And yes, this is a legitimate concern. Ignore the fact that I make her laugh a lot too. Also seemed pretty convinced about Alexei while claiming she never got a chance to speak to him 1 on 1. I do believe they were online at the same times often, so I don't understand why she wouldn't ever question him when she definitely seems like the type to question others. Stephanie - Ignored the Alexei case & has actually given me awkward vibes since then. Maybe she thinks that we're suspicious of her now that she was so set on Dane with all of the Alexei stuff going on, but she just seems different to me. I've noticed her congratulate the players that were right a lot. Too much. Rondak - Aarondak really hasn't done much that's too suspicious, but I'm doing a Spies 7 throwback and putting him on here for mainly gut reasons. Fingers, toes, legs, and Yuri's slightly lazy eye crossed for tonight. CAMILLA, I COULD REALLY USE A WISH RIGHT NOW.
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Post by Owen on Jun 22, 2010 19:46:08 GMT -6
I'm fucking alive.
I could be completely wrong, but you have to think that either Nita or I was saved by the doctor. In that case, I feel like the doctor would be someone that's friendly with me.
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Post by Owen on Jun 23, 2010 3:59:17 GMT -6
After getting over the shock of being alive (and Nita being alive, as well) I got into a chat with Nita and Tina and things just kind of fell into place. We all agreed that the other two were the only ones we felt comfortable enough, I don't know, "working" with. Nita doesn't want to be seen as an alliance because there will be backlash, and like with mostly everything she says, I agree with her. That said, I can't think of any other word for what we are. I'll just roll with the term coalition for now since I'm currently in Mole mode. We're so coalicious. One of them could certainly be epic-scum, but with this crazy mess of a team, they're the only two people that consistently make sense to me. They're extremely logical, they legitimately hunt, their responses genuine WITHOUT the insane antics that Stone brought. To sum it up: they're the only people I feel have mine and the rest of the towns best interest in heart. Plus, these bitches lovely women are fucking fantastic at grilling others. They're a good compliment to someone like me, who thinks a lot, but doesn't always have the confidence in my thoughts to push them or interrogate others about them. The tag-team grilling first began on Savannah. First of all, Savannah's attitude in general bothers me -- it's slightly bitchy without being entertaining and slightly nice without being genuine. For someone that was so hard on Zedekiah, I feel like she handles grilling just as poorly and is very contrived with her thoughts. Not being an asshole, I'm just calling it like I see it. She's constantly creating targets other than herself, which was noticed by both Nita and I. Overall, I get a scummy vibe from her and would like to lynch her as soon as possible. Next to take on the grilling was Themba. Themba has been a really hard read for me because we do talk pretty often, and I get along with her personally better than probably anyone else. I think we both mutually amuse each other more than anything, and that kind of scares the shit out of me considering what happened to me last time around with a certain someone. Her actions can absolutely go either way, and I feel like she was the most genuine thorough under the grilling. Overall, she handled herself pretty well tonight. Much better than Grillee #1 Savannah and DEFINITELY much better than Grille #3... Stephanie... Just wow. She's got the Jersey thing down, girl is fucking out there. For someone that I thought was going to be an asset at the beginning, she is ANYTHING but. For one, she cannot grasp the difference between logic and guessing/assuming things. One of the Alexei voters HAVE to be scum because it's something "she would do if she was a spy." It was so painful to sit through that without screaming at her... I don't know if I was just really aggro tonight, but I had to stop myself from going off on her multiple times tonight. She needs to stop picking from one group and look at the big picture, and she really doesn't understand that. She contradicted herself multiple times while being grilled and said some of the most ILLOGICAL things I've ever heard in my short time playing Mafia. I don't want her to bring the word logic up again until she understands it. I don't know if she's scum, but in the very least, she's nuts. The best/worst part of the whole Stephanie thing is her suspicion of me. Think that someone bussed Alexei all you want, but there is absolutely no evidence that I bussed him. I think how it played out would actually suggest otherwise. The best part of her suspicion of me is the reasoning, which is me not being positive that Alexei was going to be lynched. So really, her reason for suspecting me is that I'm not naive enough to think that the vote couldn't change up last second. Hello Marcus/Perry. So stupid. And with Allan, I'm suspect because I ask him about his suspects too much. I'm so effin' scummy with my early suspicions and pushes against spies, my thinking that early exile votes can come down to the wire, my questioning people about their suspects as if I was robbing them of their lunch money. What the hell are they going to do with me? Hey Steph, I took a shit before... suspicious, right? You clearly never do such a thing. I brought up something that I've been thinking to myself for a few days now to my anagram bitches tonight... I feel like almost everyone in our group is a fucking spy, and it's the damn truth. Almost everyone on the Republicans has done shit to make me, in Trey terms, "go O.O" It's bothersome. So, to sum things up before I get started on a post with my concerns about others: I'm happy working with Nita and Tina right now, as they have very similar ideas, the same suspects, they're great interrogators, and they're probably better Imprisonment options than I am. Yep, I'm still kinda selfish. Oops. Gonna see where this "concerns" post leads me. Could it become a CASE? Not sure I'm that brave yet.
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Post by Owen on Jun 23, 2010 4:33:56 GMT -6
Allan:
Hard to get a read on him in some ways, as he didn't commit himself to any voting "wagon" and hasn't been around often (before or after his blow-up). Unless his massive blow-up was planned and strategic, I tend to think he's fed up town that's out of his element.
Since you're back: What about questioning people about suspects is scummy? Don't you think players that ask less questions are more concerning, as there's no point in grilling someone if you already know that they're town?
Also, if you truly are going to stick this out, try not to take things too personally. To my knowledge nobody personally dislikes you, it's just in the nature of the game to question things. Hang in there; it won't be as bad of an experience as it seems you'd think.
Dane:
There was an attempted push against him, perhaps as an alternate target to protect Alexei, or even Zed. Alexei seemed to come after Dane pretty hard, and from what I saw in Alexei's Academy Award winning submission speech, he seems like more of a team player (for the spies, obviously) than anything. The Dane/Alexei incident didn't seem friendly whatsoever, and it seemed like another example of Alexei smelling blood and going in for the kill.
Besides that, I don't think Dane's paying attention to the other team is really an issue, as you never know when we'll be switching teams. There's a great chance that there's spies on the Democrats, so paying attention to what they're doing is not a scum-tell. Placing an early vote on Themba is nothing too concerning, as placing tentative votes with a few days left at the first exile isn't something I believe is unheard of.
(Over)aggressive town read for now.
Since we've yet to get a chance talk 1 on 1, I haven't been able to get a feel for what type of player you are/how you hunt. Could you give a bit of insight as to what you look for when you're scumhunting? (other than the obvious answer of scum/scummy actions)
Gabriel:
Has yet to do anything to overly concern me. Maybe I'm a sucker for kids? *insert pedophile joke that could cost me my job here*
You've stated that you're pretty confident in the fact that someone that voted for Alexei bussed him. Why are you so convinced of this, and who do you think the leading candidates to bus were?
Hambone:
Has been a pleasant surprise thus far, as it seems like most players that come from a Survivor background are content with sitting in the background and riding things out, at least their first time around. He's been open with his suspects and has questioned them appropriately & has also given me some food for thought in our talks. Quick learner, so much that it makes me think sometimes...
To clarify, do you have any Mafia playing experience?
Jenny:
She's useful and friendly -- always the first to invite someone to the chat, giving advice to newer players (Rondak), giving reminders, etc. Maybe it's just in her character and personality to be organized like that, but sometimes I get the feeling that she's trying to make herself seem over-useful. Don't get me wrong, it's helpful and appreciated, but is just something I (and I believe others) have observed.
Didn't seem to budge with voting for Zed, but people have been wrong before. I'd really just like to hear more from her personally, as even though she's one of the most active players in the game, I don't feel like I know what's really going on in her head. As I learned from Sam's AMAZING AIM activity, communication is a two-way street, so I'll also have to make a better effort in talking to her.
Disregarding your thoughts on Zed, what was your final opinion on Alexei? I know you've said that you've seen a player with similar actions to Alexei get lynched and flip town, but did said player that flipped town throw in the towel (basically quitting on the town)? For me, that was the hardest thing to ignore when it came down to it.
Kiara:
I hope she's alive.
Are you alive?
Nita:
Is recognized by all of us (I'd have to imagine) as the main pusher of the Alexei lynch. I think there's a good reason to believe that she was saved by the doctor based on how the first round played out. For now, there's nothing that leads me to believe that she bussed Alexei.
I can't actually think of anything specific that I'd like to hear from her for the time being. If something is on her mind, she'll say it.
Rondak:
From my interactions with him, Rondak is a rather agreeable player. This can be explained by his being new to Mafia, and as of right now, I have my doubts that he would have bussed Alexei as a new player. He was one of the main people that I discussed Alexei with and he never once defended him, though his own reason for suspecting him was a bit of a reach compared to the other stuff on the table. Again, it can be explained by the being new factor. While he's not someone I'm suspicious of right now, but there's only so long that being new can be the only excuse. For now, an adjustment period is expected.
You supposedly asked Stephanie about bussing before the exile and then once again afterwards. Is this true, and if so, why the need to ask again?
Savannah:
- disregarded Zeddy's thread, saying he offers little... while she hasn't offered much of her own.
- likes to present new targets: quick to talk about lynching lurkers/inactives, quick to agree w/ Gabe about there most likely being a busser on Alexei
[23:54] spies8savannah: lmao i feel like im kind of being the target of this when i was not the only one to vote for zed nor be the only onesuspicious of him.
^ instead of clearing herself, just presents more targets from that side. sometimes actions > votes.
Stephanie:
- possibly created Dane as a target to oppose a Alexei lynch.
- seems to be POSITIVE that someone from the side that voted Alexei bussed, so much that she's picking her top suspects from just that side instead of looking at the bigger picture
- EXTREMELY odd logic, which she admits herself are "guesses." logic includes weighing options and looking at facts, not just throwing guesses out there based on what you think you'd do as as a spy.
- her "logic" also includes believing that anyone that agrees with her is town
- her "logic" ALSO includes thinking those who aren't naive to think that a first exile vote can't change last minute.
- inconsistent statements -- saying that her suspects from the other side of the vote includes Zed, yet saying earlier that Alexei cleared Zed on his way out.
- crazy or scummy?
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Post by Owen on Jun 24, 2010 2:20:18 GMT -6
^ Yeah, I worked on that for 2+ hours (I'm slow) and I'm not posting it.
h8 life.
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Post by Owen on Jun 24, 2010 5:53:38 GMT -6
Not in the mood to write much at the moment.
I plan on keeping my vote on Savannah, and if I do change, it's likely going to be for Stephanie. I don't want to see Themba lynched at the moment, Jenny hasn't done anything big enough to warrant a vote, Allan isn't worth a lynch right now, and I'm starting to be pretty convinced that Zedekiah was NOT bussed by Alexei.
Savannah, well, she denies a lot of the things that people see in her. Could it just be a part of her personality that she doesn't notice? Sure. Is it more likely that she's trying to cover her tracks? Absolutely. Don't lie if you're town. Just don't do it.
Stephanie is still bat-shit crazy, but she actually posted something logical today (Savannah's freaking out before Exile 1) that helped herself a bit in my eyes.
Really hoping Sav is lynched. Really hoping she flips scum (obviously). Really hoping she leads us to the other scum. Wishful thinking, but sometimes I felt that way about Alexei. WE SHALL SEE. I'll probably avoid AIM for a while before the vote since I really do feel like a lot of these people are scummy as fuck and I don't want to say something and have them sway the over-eager players with gut feelings on me (Hammy), the uninformed (Allan/Kiara), and the seemingly clueless (Rondak), onto me.
Short notes/comments: - Jenny has played multiple seasons of Spies or has read up on them. Think someone with much Spies experience would be a bit more forward as town. - Gabe is definitely Michael (Adra). I won't be sending any accusations his way (unless I ever get the impression that he's 100% scum and it's crucial that his vote doesn't count) because it was a stupid slip-up with AIM statuses, and because I don't like accusations in general. - My creative juices can't get flowing right now. Depressing.
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Post by Owen on Jun 24, 2010 5:56:39 GMT -6
PS - If anyone is epicscum, it's Tina. I WILL NEVER BELIEVE THAT NITA IS SCUM, K.
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Post by Judge Sam on Jun 24, 2010 7:00:24 GMT -6
haha @ the cat asking for kathie it's cute watching you "grow up" in mafia lmao @ nikki. Nikki comes up every week in my life. And brings me joy every single time. She is a goddess. She is like the best human ever. She is the incarnation of pure joy. I have seen that 'who is she' clip so many times I can almost recite it by heart. I have got the intonations, pauses, and hand motions down pat. I am thinking of memorizing it pure 100% because it makes me so happy. I am very impressed that you accurately quoted her by saying "who is she?" three times, rather than two. Two is a very common mistake! so much joy. watch this even if you have already, i watch it like once a month its amazing: www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb4EqRAqtCsThat song 'cold as ice' comes on sometimes on my radio station and every time it makes me smile. What is that picture? omg its nita and tina like merged. ij ust saw that right now haha. creepy! coalicious lmao. why not?
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Post by Owen on Jun 24, 2010 21:55:04 GMT -6
Wrong about Savannah being scum.
Right about her being selfish town if she was town. Half right.
If she was serious about her role, why in the hell didn't she claim beforehand? Stephanie would have been a goner.
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Post by Owen on Jun 25, 2010 3:03:18 GMT -6
A few of my questions got brought up during the day and I didn't feel like re-doing them and finishing it. SO COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD.
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Post by Savannah on Sept 3, 2010 1:43:22 GMT -6
I feel absolutely splendid. For the first time in my brief Spies "career", I was pretty involved in getting a spy lynched and actually had legit facts and reasoning instead of a gut feeling. I did exactly what I said I wanted to do coming into the game; actually hunt, be more aggressive with my suspicions, talk to as many citizens as possible and try get myself in working relationships with them. It was a nice feeling of accomplishment.
And then I get on AIM today and I'm a supposed candidate to have bussed Alexei. This is according to Savannah, who has contributed little to nothing. Of course someone who is on the opposing wagon that has a bit of suspicion on her from others is going to be the one to try to create other targets. What in the fuck has she done? I mean, who is she? I'M VERY VENOMOUS AND ANGRY. You made a damn well good decision casting her. I hope you're pleased with yourself.
I'M TOO ANGRY TO TALK. I WANT TO SMASH SOMEONES HEAD IN.
WHO IS SHE?
WHO IS SHE?
WHO IS SHE?
WHERE DID YOU FIND HER?
I can feel the venom pour out of me as I breathe. I hate her. I tell you now, I'm gonna find it very difficult to be pleasant with "it" for the rest of the week I'm afraid (or day, since I'm probably gonna die). VERY difficult. I don't even want to look at "it." It was Broderick. Get yo' facts straight. And Nikki I was exiled for saying the same exact thing. After reading this confessional all I can say is : j.k we're all wrong at times. some of us alot more wrong and alot ruder than others.
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Post by Nita on Sept 3, 2010 8:37:51 GMT -6
Great confessional!
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Post by Jenny on Sept 5, 2010 8:59:58 GMT -6
Wish we were able to talk more in the early game, I remember I was having problems catching you online for the first few days of the game. Kiara: I hope she's alive. Are you alive? lol
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