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Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 22, 2010 12:15:23 GMT -6
i just realized the irony of my posts being the worst grammar/spelling wise yet i won the word challenge to get my vote back.
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Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 22, 2010 20:20:53 GMT -6
i'm feeling really out of the loop. there are so many role holders who all are in contact with each other, + owen who is really citlike, + the masons (which i am still bitter about, btw) which is forming a really large cit group. and i'm not a part of it. mary pretty much is, but with it being only mary..that doesn't leave a lot of room for the citgroup to suspect. it will eventually fall down to us spies, if we don't imprison them fast enough and get out easy exiles.
it's ridiculous for me to feel this way, because there are plenty of cits who aren't a part of the group either. but it is kind of disheartening. but we can pull through if we whittle away at them.
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Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 23, 2010 8:46:52 GMT -6
ok um i was so overthinking that. there are citgroups in all spies games..and thank goodness we at least have mary in there to get us info. i have to be more manipulative, dammit. i downloaded a book called "yes! 50 scientifically proven ways to be persuasive" a while back. maybe i will read that.
but for now i'll just go eat a bagel.
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Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 23, 2010 10:29:55 GMT -6
i want awohali dead. he is too smart. the dumb people can be used to go against him because he is CLEARLY a spy. the problem is he is too nice. i hate voting for nice people.
jenny would be nice to get rid of also, though since she's so stupid maybe to keep alive for a little longer. i still remember my wish to have her head on a platter. she has eluded me for too long. whore!!!
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Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 24, 2010 15:11:54 GMT -6
i'm kind of the spies' bitch, lol. hambone gets away with being naive in the eyes of the cits and tunneling, mary has voted out more spies than any of the cits, and lawrence is new. but somebody's gotta do the dirty work i guess!
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Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 24, 2010 19:18:26 GMT -6
i still really don't like telling people that i suspect them to their face. how terribly awkward. i guess it doesn't help when i'm bullshitting cases because they actually aren't spies. i need to get over it!
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Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 24, 2010 20:40:01 GMT -6
broderick messed up my no-vote record.
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Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 24, 2010 20:52:42 GMT -6
i just looked and the only people that haven't gotten a vote yet are hambone, mary and broderick. lol. up until this round (*shakes fist*) myself and awohali were in that group also, which means we had 3/5 and now 2/3.
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Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 24, 2010 21:07:46 GMT -6
and i'm not counting penalty votes because they don't count (hambone)!!!
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Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 24, 2010 22:04:26 GMT -6
how funny that the people in the chat playing charades and having fun right now are broderick/me who suspect each other and had a tiff, and hambone/jenny and he suspects her and they aren't really close. lol.
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Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 24, 2010 22:20:39 GMT -6
the new housemates in bb are like, the best that are in there. in today's daily there was like the nest group and the bedroom group, and i would be totally ok with the people in the bedroom group making it to the final week. corin/johnjames/josie/jo/jj. and one other person. my ben love is waning. and i really dislike dave.
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Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 25, 2010 21:20:20 GMT -6
if i can get awohali exiled...i will be SO. HAPPY. i think it's a key endgame move. i am praying and working my black diva magic.
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Post by Judge Sam on Jul 25, 2010 23:08:54 GMT -6
thanks for posting all these thoughts, i love reading them. perhaps with all these thoughts a upcoming video confessional is in order? =)
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Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 26, 2010 14:47:32 GMT -6
i was actually planning on it, but my face got kind of sunburnt while on the boat yesterday. NOT KEWT. i've become fascinated with martha's generic thoughts on citizens. it is very interesting, and a tad bit over-analyzed but seriously who cares. i don't know if this is how he still feels, but i want to comment on some of it. The main elements are: 1) TRUST. You have to have an alliance of people who trust each other enough so that they can work and vote together. (And THAT'S why we lost Spies 3!)i agree with this 100%. i felt the same at the end of spies 5, but it's entirely necessary for cits to get together with other cits. however, something earlier in this post is even more important - if you get a spy in there, you're fucked. citizen coalitions scare spies the most, but why were the last 2 spies games lost? say hello to JASON and VLAD. though the spies have not won this game, MARY is in the cit group this season. i think the problem lies mostly within human psyche. which is a little deep for me, but i'm pretty sure it's true. in this game, we as cits crave someone that we can rely on and trust. something we can talk about with no worries that they are a spy. in doing so, we are TOO trusting. i don't see why it's necessary for more people to be in a cit group than you don't have a substantial reason for believing they are. why is mary in a citgroup? she has voted for a lot of spies - ok. spies vote for other spies! and what was mary able to do? tell me that the inner circle was starting to suspect me for not being an active spy hunter anymore, and that they were suspicious of awohali. so then i could effectively feed two birds with one berry - and pump up my citmeter while leading a charge against awohali, and use the large citgroup against themselves. i see nothing wrong with just having one person you seriously think is a cit, either through a role, something like masons, or general REALLY REALLY CITLOOKING gameplay. having one person you trust is a huge bonus! you don't need upwards of four people. then it just starts to get messy. two people who know each other are cits (and it's obviously better if the burg generally feels this way as well) can do more than enough damage to spies through diverting suspicion from each other and other cits, working together to coordinate attacks, and comparing notes without hesitation. i find that the rate of which you add more people to your citgroup and the chance of them being a spy goes up rather quickly. 2 is fine. 3 is ok. 4 i think pushes the brink on too many - the chances of there being a spy in there are just too high, and you put yourself at such a high level of risk. why do you need MORE than 3 people in a citgroup? why do you need tina, cory, lilith, chance, gertie, claude, owen, mary? that is way, way too large. the illusion of individuality is interesting, and in effect i think it's true. you will survive longer if you maintain this illusion, but it will not help you win the game. i think it was pretty clear to everyone that tina/cory/owen were all in cahoots. but chance/gertie are also in cahoots, and while it was hidden for a long while, it is now becoming apparent to the whole burg that they are together. but how many spies have chance and gertie targeted? that's what i thought. 2) SECRECY. YOU CANNOT POST VITAL INFORMATION IN THE BURG. I'm so convinced of this that I'll say it twice: POSTING INFORMATION IN THE BURG ONLY HELPS THE SPIES. IT WILL NEVER AND CAN NEVER HELP THE CITIZENS.i also find this very interesting. and to be honest, i quite agree. as a spy, it is MUCH more scary to not know how people are voting than as a cit. why are cits so concerned with how everyone is voting? i can see how it would be helpful if you are trying to exile a specific suspect, and i also see the flip side of the coin saying that we need to see where everyone lies in order to pick out those that are lying, disingenuous, and bandwagony. but i wouldn't say it's necessary. it's a funny trend when you see that as this series goes on, so does the amount of burg posts. look at the burgs of spies 1 and 2. not much to see. but as the amount of burg posts go up, so loosely does the chances of spy victories. 6 and 7 were won by spies, 1 and 2 by cits. obviously, roles shouldn't be posted in the burg. but roles should never be public ANYWAY. the only time they should is if you are in direct danger of being misexiled, and even then, you should only tell it to a few people that can sway their votes off of you without the whole burg knowing. what's better? telling everyone and being imprisoned next round or telling 2-3 people and getting imprisoned and then KNOWING one of those people you told is a spy? going public is also a surefire way to direct attention (both good and bad) onto yourself. kiara's role is very obviously a cit role, but now that she has told the whole burg, she has cast doubt on herself, because people are saying, what has she told us that a spy couldn't have? i question if cory made the right move in spilling kiara's role. i think he could have easily swung it into just thinking zed was more spy, he had stated many times before that he was between the two. in this same boat is claude, because he is using his role selfishly it is coming back to bite him in the ass. but people doing less than stellar things with the details of their role is hardly a new trend. why do people share their role so quickly or unnecessarily? again, i think it comes back to our psyche, and needing to trust someone. posting suspicions i think is a strange beast, because it allows everyone to get into a groupthink mentality and allow us to effectively find spies together. i don't think only telling suspicions to non-suspected people is effective. what are the chances that there won't be at least one spy in the non-suspected group? also in this sort of atmosphere, i question if not posting in the burg could be effective at all. with everyone being on at different times on AIM, i don't think we could ever get on the same page without using the burg at least a little.
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Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 26, 2010 22:02:42 GMT -6
oh shoot....bye awohali!
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Post by Nita on Sept 19, 2010 23:44:22 GMT -6
Oh trust groups. You and Yves are right that trust groups will form because citizens crave them. That's how you (Casey) knew that the two masons would reject the bribe - because having someone you can trust in the midst of a game of paranoia feels like it's worth a lot more than just $7.50. And yes, that need for trust is why you have people blabbing roles and socialite forums where lots of people are invited and private chat rooms. And that's why you have people on reality TV shows who align with people just because of a handshake or a promise. Because everyone wants to feel safe. Everyone wants to have their back supported by someone.
And I also agree there's a critical mass, where adding an extra member is too much. But the number fluctuates. I've seen powerful duos, trios, quartets, and even quintets in Spies. Really, it all depends on WHY people were brought in.
Groups are easy to bring together. The hardest part, by far, is making it so everyone works together. In life good leaders are hard to come by, but in Spies it's an even greater challenge. Think about it. Your leaders obviously have to have leadership qualities - not common. Add to that that your leaders have to be correct about identifying the Spies, stay calm under stress, AND survive imprisonment. Now you're REALLY talking about a challenge.
As for Yves' point that citizens should avoid using the Burg: I disagree. It's a very powerful tool for catching Spies and communicating with other players.
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Post by Chance on Sept 20, 2010 17:53:32 GMT -6
I would like to point out that the weak link was MarySpy, who was brought in by CORY AND OWEN. That is all. <.<
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Post by Nita on Sept 20, 2010 18:36:57 GMT -6
That goes along with the point I was trying to make above, Tanner. Owen had leadership qualities, identified a lot of Spies, and survived imprisonment, but he had a hard time with the stress and made 1 mistake with Mary. It's really hard to be a great leader in Spies.
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Post by Cory on Sept 20, 2010 18:38:40 GMT -6
Mary finding out about Chance was hardly Owen's fault.
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Post by Owen on Sept 20, 2010 20:25:25 GMT -6
Yeah, I had no involvement in telling Mary. Cory and GERT were the culprits on that one, though I know Gert wasn't too happy about it.
I did, however, support Cory after he did tell her. I may have not wanted Mary to know, but I understood why he did it.
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Post by Owen on Sept 20, 2010 20:45:25 GMT -6
Correction: It was only Cory, not Gert. I thought one of the Masons was around when it happened.
Still. I didn't tell Mary shit.
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Post by Hambone on Sept 20, 2010 22:14:19 GMT -6
JUST LETTING EVERYONE KNOW THAT IM GETTING JEALOUS THAT EVERYONE'S CONFESSIONALS BESIDES MY OWN ARE GETTING ATTENTION!!!! UGH UGH UGH!!! Wtfffff!!!
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Post by Cory on Sept 20, 2010 22:53:19 GMT -6
It's alright. Your signature gets my attention every time.
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Post by Mary on Sept 20, 2010 23:05:33 GMT -6
Giving a spy trust doesn't happen all the sudden.
Owen giving me my vote back was a big moment, and ultimately changed people's perceptions of me. It's probably what led Cory to ultimately blab about Chance. (Not that it mattered.. I already knew Chance was the exile protector.)
Owen gave me my vote back because I kissed his fanny and validated his beliefs for a few hours one evening. Sorry, Isaac, but the man with power just looked more appealing at the time.
Also, Cinnamyn/Leticia/Casey is a goddess. Can't be said nuff.
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Post by Cory on Sept 20, 2010 23:17:48 GMT -6
Owen giving me my vote back was a big moment, and ultimately changed people's perceptions of me. It's probably what led Cory to ultimately blab about Chance. (Not that it mattered.. I already knew Chance was the exile protector.) It was a combination of this and that you already knew we were hiding something. At the time I had no idea whether or not you were a Spy, but you hinted strongly that if I didn't give you a good reason why we were defending Chance with nothing concrete(his play justified your vote), you'd bring the situation to the public anyway. I don't really regret it. casey is god mmk
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