Episode 8: Best Fucking Muffins

[Broderick]

I was pissed that Awohali got exiled and flipped citizen...

that I went and beat shit.

together.
To make muffins.


Actually, I had been planning on making muffins before Exile, but time ran short. So I had to wait until after.

Raspberry
Marionberry
Blueberry

SUCK ON THAT!

[Broderick]

spies8claude (21:26:23): now now. We'll at least let Kiara verify that Awohali had a role before being 100% sure on Jenny.

spies8chance (21:26:29): ^ that.
spies8chance (21:26:32): i agree with claude.
spies8jenny (21:26:38): That's a good point Claude, I forgot about that.

I think this is a bad road to go down.
Because:

A. It assumes that Kiara is a citizen
B. It assumes that Awohali was lying - why would he lie?
C. It opens the door for a spyJenny to get out of the mess she is in.

D. I am nominating Jenny
So.Suck.It. K.

[Just don't imprison me. Kthx]

[Broderick]

Citizen Third Party Spy

Exile 1:
Broderick -> Chance
Cory -> Camilla
Lawrence -> Claude
Mary -> Chance2
Claude -> Camilla2
Chance -> Claude2
Cinnamyn -> Margot
Magalie -> Gertrude
Anon Acc -> Gertrude2
Isaac -> Isaac
Isaac -> Claude3
Awohali -> Chance3
Gertrude -> Camilla3
Jasmine -> Chance4
Margot -> Camilla4
Lilith -> No Exile
Camilla -> Camilla4/8

Nita -> Alexei
Gabriel -> Alexei2
Savannah -> Zedekiah
Themba -> Zedekiah2
Allan -> Owen
Zedekiah -> Allan
Stephanie -> Dane
Alexei -> Dane2
Kiara -> Kiara3
Jenny -> Zedekiah3
Tina -> Zedekiah4
Hambone -> Alexei3
Owen -> Alexei4
Dane -> Alexei5
Rondak -> Alexei6



Exile 2:
Awohali -> Magalie
Mary -> Magalie2
Magalie -> Margot
Gertrude -> Margot2
Cory -> Isaac
Claude -> Isaac
Margot -> Gertrude
Isaac -> Claude
Broderick -> Jasmine
Lilith -> Lilith3
Lawrence -> Margot3
Jasmine -> Margot4
Cinnamyn -> Margot5

hambone -> Allan
Savannah -> Stephanie
Jenny -> Stephanie2
Nita -> Themba
Zedekiah -> Themba2
Kiara -> Themba3
Rondak -> Savannah
Stephanie -> Savannah2
Gabriel -> Savannah3
Dane -> Savannah4
Tina -> Savannah5
Allan -> Savannah6
Themba -> Savannan7
Owen -> Savannah8



Exile 3:

Nita -> NE
Rondak -> Ne2
Hambone -> Jenny
Claude -> Chance
Cory -> Magalie
Awohali -> Magalie2
Gertrude -> Magalie3
Allan -> Magalie4
Chance -> Magalie5
Jenny -> Magalie6
Cinnamyn -> Magalie7
Mary -> Mary2
Magalie -> Magalie 2/9

Lilith -> Themba
Tina -> Themba2
Owen -> Isaac
Isaac -> Jasmine
Broderick -> Jasmine2
Stephanie -> Lawrence
Lawrence -> Stephanie
Dane -> Stephanie2
Kiara -> Themba3
Themba -> Jasmine3
Jasmine -> Themba4
Zedekiah -> Themba5


Themba -> Magalie
Jasmine -> Themba
Lilith -> Themba2
Stephanie -> Magalie2
Lawrence -> Magalie3
Zedekiah -> Themba3
Isaac -> Themba4
Broderick -> Themba5
Owen -> Themba6
Tina -> Themba7
Dane -> Themba8
Kiara -> Themba9


"Exile 4":
Isaac by Tina
Isaac by Claude
Isaac by Jasmine
Isaac by Cory
Isaac by Mary

Jenny by Cinnamyn
Jenny by Awohali
Jenny by Bone
Jenny by Rondak

Stephanie by Lawrence
Stephanie by Jenny
Stephanie by Dane

Claude by Kiara
Claude byMagalie
Claude by Chance

Rondak by Lilith
Rondak by Gertrude
Rondak by Zedekiah

Jasmine by Broderick
Lawrence by Stephanie
Chance/Isaac by Allan
?? by Isaac

Jenny, Isaac, Stephanie nominated

Owen -> Isaac


Exile 5:

Chance -> Magalie
Jenny ->Magalie2
Tina -> Magalie3
Zedekiah -> Magalie4
Awohali -> Chance
Broderick -> Chance2
Claude -> Chance3
Stephanie -> Chance4
Dane -> Rondak
Kiara -> Rondak2
Allan -> Lawrence
Hambone -> Gertrude
Jasmine -> Jenny

Magalie, Chance, Rondak, Gertrude nominated

Magalie -> Chance
cinnamyn -> Magalie
Cory -> Magalie2
Owen -> Magalie3
Mary -> Magalie4


Exile 6:

Awohali -> Chance
Broderick -> Chance2
Rondak -> Chance3
Allan -> Kiara
Jenny -> Kiara2
Chance -> Zedekiah
Dane -> Zedekiah2
Jasmine -> Jenny
Kiara -> Jenny2
Hambone -> Rondak
[bunch of penalties]

Chance, Kiara, Lawrence, Zedekiah nominated

Mary -> Lawrence
Claude -> Chance
Cory ->Zedekiah
Cinnamyn -> Kiara
Stephanie -> Chance
Owen -> Zedekiah2
Gertrude -> Zedekiah3

Allan quit.
Cory Imprisoned


Exile 7:

Kiara -> Chance
Jenny -> Awohali
Broderick -> Cinnamyn
Lawrence -> Dane
Hambone -> Jenny
Dane -> Lawrence

[bunch of penalties]

Awohali, Chance, Cinnamyn, Dane, Jenny, Lawrence, Claude, Jasmine, Rondak, Stephanie nominated

Claude -> Chance
Cinnamyn -> Awohali
Rondak -> Awohali2
Awohali -> Jenny
Mary -> Jenny2
Stephanie -> Jenny3
Chance -> Awohali3
Gertrude -> Awohali4
owen -> Awohali5

[Broderick]

Gertrude, is all 'you're acting like an asshole.. blah blah blah'.
Bitch please. I'm about to throw you off of a cliff.

You need to step up your public game, and stop fucking getting immune from Exile so I can nominate your spy ass.

If you are a citizen, THEN FUCKING CATCH SOME SPIES - instead of trying to protect them all.
Stop trying to derail conversations with stupid unnecessary shit k.
I post my thoughts, and do you? NOPE. You post stupid fluff shit.

If you are not a spy, then you are as Awohali predicated way back.. WORST.CITIZEN.EVER.

[Broderick]

I feel like Gertrude is my Buth.
But.. *sigh*

[Broderick]

I think Awohali flipping citizen, definitely points to a spy Jenny.

Owen goes up
Chance and Lawrence go up
Gertrude and Cinnamyn go up

[Broderick]

@21:23 on 7/27.
I sent messages to: Rondak, Gertrude, Owen, Dane, and Chance

Owen has read his - but deigned to not respond. I find that funny. I'll give it until Thursday before I out it.

Chance read his, he even replied.
On July 6th I sent him a message, prodding him about a chat quotation. He said he wanted to talk about it in chat.. I rofl'd at it.
I saw it, so I prodded him again - since he never followed up on it. Meaning it wasn't very important, and he was just most likely trying to instigate something.


Some current thoughts I jotted down in the last 24 hoursish:

Cinnamyn - why not switch her vote to Jenny?
Hambone - Hiding. He knows things, he isn't stupid.
Owen - Why Awohali?
Mary - Why Jenny?
Rondak - Stupid spy, or just stupid?
Gertrude - Why Awohali?
Stephanie - Why Jenny? Leaning more citizen on her considering she voted for Mags over Themba, and Jenny over AWohali. But *shrug*
Lawrence - more spy than old lawrence, not dumb. Veteran.

Jenny spy points to citizenStephanie.

Used the vote shroud to put Stephanie up there. A citizen with two spies? Or three spies and make her look more citizen?

*Chance - Rather immediately after Awohali flipped and people left. He didn't admit that he was wrong. He indirectly soft admitted that wohali had been telling the truth by saying to the effect "Oh, I liked you psy". to Jenny. Then immediately turned the focus on Jasmine. How it makes her look worse. "In four conversations, he was".
-----> Follow-up: How does Awohali flipping make Jasmine look worse? (I think the reason can be applie to him as well. If I remember right, it had to do with Jasmine not responding to Awohali about her Chance suspicions.)

*Cinnamyn. How did she know what Mary said about her suspect changes? [Late night chat with Mary - where is it? Day chat w/ Mary - where at?]

* Chance told Jenny within ten seconds of her logging in that Awohali role claimed. Why so quickly? Why such a tight bond?

[Broderick]

Owen Message exchange

Me: Why did you vote for Awohali?




Owen:I went back and forth between putting Awohali or Dane at the top of my list before going away. Would be a lie if I didn't say that the main thing that I had on Awo was a strong gut feeling. Not the strongest of reasonings, but it's done well for me thus far.

My first conversation with Awo left me feeling good about him, as he seemed to agree with a lot of the things I was saying and also brought up good points of his own. However, our second conversation was initiated by me after it was brought to my attention that he was looking for me in the chat. His attitude when I IMed him seemed to change, and he soon began sympathizing with me about how I was feeling about the game. To me, it felt like he was trying to buddy up to me (something that spies do to citizens quite often) all of a sudden. There was definitely some flattery when it came to Awo.

Part of the reason that I've been suspicious of both him and yourself is because I've felt like you've both (perhaps indirectly or unintentionally) said things that could try to put doubt on me. My thinking is that nobody has really suspected me & I've lynched well -- I should probably be dead by now. Therefor, those who have done things that could subtly put suspicion would be the ones keeping me around for a mislynch later on. The players that I have mutual trust in being imprisoned left and right also goes along with this line of thinking. Those who I have felt have said things that could put suspicion on me are Claude, Awo, and yourself. Claude by using his role on me, Awo by constantly questioning why a senate member wouldn't be in the chat (though, now I could see this being his attempt to get me to IM him as part of his role), and you by saying there was something fishy about my selection of Mary & saying that the senate members refuse to share their thoughts. If Awo is to be believed, which he almost 100% should be, then it's time for me to reassess or ditch that theory since Jenny doesn't fit the profile at all.

If I was around for the claim, not exactly sure what I would have done considering I went through a last minute claim last time and didn't feel good about my decision during and afterwards. Clearly he wasn't someone that I trusted, so I would have been skeptical. Since he's flipped town, unless he's completely suicidal (lying) and wasn't thinking about the consequences if Jenny was to come up town, it obviously should be believed. I don't see him as a troll or an asshole out to sabotage the game, so we should be getting great information out of this.

To sum it up: placed him at the top of my list when going away; strong gut feeling from the general vibe I got from him. felt it was plausible that he was putting suspicion on me for a mislynch. felt like he was a possible Magalie busser, being on her but not when it mattered.

Also, I've mentioned the subtly putting doubt in me theory to others, but I'm almost positive I've never said it to Cinnamyn. She could have come up with it on her own, but it's much easier for me to think that than her, since she shouldn't be sure of my alignment if she's town. Not exactly a theory I think someone that shouldn't be sure of my alignment would come up with their own. If I did mention it to her, it explains it, but I don't recall speaking to her in the past few rounds. Otherwise, it's odd, or she heard it secondhand -- in that case, it definitely could have been from Jenny. Definitely something to look into.

I'll be back after the break. Was much needed.







Me: Thanks a lot for replying, I really appreciate it.

However, our second conversation was initiated by me after it was brought to my attention that he was looking for me in the chat.

Did anyone who was at the Exile, know this? I think if this was known it would of supported his claim - that others had to initiate the conversation with him, for it to count towards his 150.

Part of the reason that I've been suspicious of both him and yourself is because I've felt like you've both (perhaps indirectly or unintentionally) said things that could try to put doubt on me. My thinking is that nobody has really suspected me & I've lynched well -- I should probably be dead by now. Therefor, those who have done things that could subtly put suspicion would be the ones keeping me around for a mislynch later on. The players that I have mutual trust in being imprisoned left and right also goes along with this line of thinking. Those who I have felt have said things that could put suspicion on me are Claude, Awo, and yourself. Claude by using his role on me, Awo by constantly questioning why a senate member wouldn't be in the chat (though, now I could see this being his attempt to get me to IM him as part of his role), and you by saying there was something fishy about my selection of Mary & saying that the senate members refuse to share their thoughts. If Awo is to be believed, which he almost 100% should be, then it's time for me to reassess or ditch that theory since Jenny doesn't fit the profile at all.

I've not intentionally tried to put doubt on you - not in the sense that I'm saving you for a mislynch later. I'm not a spy. From my perspective you were part of the Alexei lynch. Which seemed to create a tight bond between yourself and Tina. Since quite often when I was talking with her, she would refer to discussing some thing with you. There was also the Episode three thing concerning Lawrence's possibly spyslip catch of Isaac/Themba. I recall the two of us talking about it - then Tina IMed me I think the Day after. So, either Lawrence told her (which I doubt,) or you did. Which added to my idea that you two were quite 'close', if you will.

In regards to your picking of Mary. I guessed that you would pick either Tina or Mary - because I knew you and Tina were close. The only reason I said Mary was that you made a comment about joking around with her - which would of happened in a private chat. Typically people who joke around with each other, have had a few conversations. It turned out to be right. When I found out that you and Mary had just had your first conversation that episode - I found it rather suspicious. Then I thought perhaps Mary was the Doctor and she revealed to you. I believed I dropped it after thinking that - which Cory IMed me not long after bringing it up, and kind of solidified my thinking.

I have suspected you, for multiple reasons. Mostly discussed with Cory, Claude, and a little bit to Lawrence because he asked. Cory brought up good points on you not being Imprisoned over Tina - because you don't make cases. which makes you look suspicious none the less. You don't make cases, at least that I've seen publicly for awhile. You don't exactly discuss with every player in the game - even though it is clear that there is a large portion of players who seem to want to bow to you because of the Dictatorship and etcetera. Also the fact that Cory explicitly told me that you would never be exiled.

Did Cory have a role?

Am I looking to get you exiled? Only if you are a spy.

On a collective the Senate members are rather tight lipped. I even created a thread specifically for the Senators to publicly say where their vote is going - and only a few actually used it.
I think that Senators should be held accountable for their actions and voting reasons, just as much as we in the HoR are. I don't think that it should be akin to pulling teeth just to get half of the Senators to discuss openly. Because it isn't just me, but there is a clear division between HoR and Senate - not just the one drawn by Sam.
The most recent time I brought this up, Claude essentially admitted that he was dealing with a bunch of Behind the scenes stuff that it was hard for him to keep things straight conversation wise. Gertrude I believe said I was being an asshole about it - which I was not.

In regards to behind the scenes stuff - I suspected before Claude admitted to Jasmine and later myself.
There can be an equal balance between juggling Secrets and playing in the public eye. Like I told Claude and Gertrude - playing mafia without relying on roles has been done successfully for quite some time. So it isn't that hard to balance secret role stuff and public play - as it also has been done successfully.

Since you seem to be involved with this stuff - I think there are too many roles out there. Especially with them all being judged 'citizen'. Where are the spy roles?

Alexei's & Isaac's? Those are THE only two spy roles? Two roles, one of which is more personal than team? I also brought this up to Kiara. Why would Cinnamyn be bribed to give the Spies a Role block role, if Isaac's was already present (could delay a role action used on someone).

I also asked Sam if roleholders were bound by the divided teams, and he said no. Which brings into question Kiara's aspect of her role - where she could only guess the alignment of the one being exiled on her team. So *shrug*

I believe that Awohali never would of been exiled had people been playing the game less emotionally and socially. Cinnamyn, Chance... etcetera.
Gertrude herself (I believe) only suspected Awohali because of you.
From my perspective - she wanted Dane to be nominated, then you gave her your suspect list; and she then wanted Dane & Awohali.

As soon as Jenny signed on, she knew Awohali claimed - she came into the group chat asking about it. It was about ten seconds after she signed on. So Chance telling her that quickly?

If I was around for the claim, not exactly sure what I would have done considering I went through a last minute claim last time and didn't feel good about my decision during and afterwards. Clearly he wasn't someone that I trusted, so I would have been skeptical. Since he's flipped town, unless he's completely suicidal (lying) and wasn't thinking about the consequences if Jenny was to come up town, it obviously should be believed. I don't see him as a troll or an asshole out to sabotage the game, so we should be getting great information out of this.

To sum it up: placed him at the top of my list when going away; strong gut feeling from the general vibe I got from him. felt it was plausible that he was putting suspicion on me for a mislynch. felt like he was a possible Magalie busser, being on her but not when it mattered.

That was one of the reasons that I believe Awohali and his claim. His personality is not that of a total douche bag, to get a citizen Jenny lynched purely out of spite. He hasn't played emotionally at all - so there is and has been nothing to suggest that he would pull such a move; let alone lie.

Claude brought up Kiara using her role on Awohali. My only problem with this - is that you have to assume Kiara is a citizen, and trust she will tell you the truth. I also see it as a plausible door opening for spyJenny to remain here.

Also, I've mentioned the subtly putting doubt in me theory to others, but I'm almost positive I've never said it to Cinnamyn. She could have come up with it on her own, but it's much easier for me to think that than her, since she shouldn't be sure of my alignment if she's town. Not exactly a theory I think someone that shouldn't be sure of my alignment would come up with their own. If I did mention it to her, it explains it, but I don't recall speaking to her in the past few rounds. Otherwise, it's odd, or she heard it secondhand -- in that case, it definitely could have been from Jenny. Definitely something to look into.

I'll be back after the break. Was much needed.

Is this what you are referring to with Cinnamyn:

[22:33] Spies8Awohali: I can not see a good reason for a Senator to simply not be in the chat room before a vote.

pushin' suspishin on owen, who wuz sick n' away frum da chat.

I have something which I am trying to track down of where she got.
Mary told me in a group chat that Cinnamyn dropped myself and Awohali as suspects the day of Exile 6. As far as I can find - this group chat log was never posted, sadly it is missing from my own records. Which makes me question why or how Cinnamyn knew this. Mary admitted to telling a few other people, so I supposed they could of told her. However cinnamyn knew it was Mary specifically, soo.. I find this entire thing a bit fishy.

[Broderick]

Gertrude Message Exchange.

Me:Why did you vote for Awohali?

G:Because I suspected him of being a Spy.

M: What would the reasons you thought him a spy be?

G: He had very Spy-like qualities.

M: Is there a reason you are being rather ridiculous and not answering the question?

G: Yes. I'm taking a break, as suggested by Sam. Tomorrow, I shall outline exactly why I voted for Awohali.

Ooh, look at this fun smiley I just found.


M: If you are taking a break, suggested by Sam - then why are you on the Spies8 boards?

G: A girl needs to check HQ, don'tcha know. We have an Imprisonment to plan.

[Broderick]

Dismantle the Dictator
It makes me 'lol'.
I went to youtube.com and this video was on the front page. xD

[Broderick]

I have been thinking of compiling my thoughts to send to some one should I be imprisoned. On one hand, I don't think that I am a likely target. On the other hand - I was the only person to publicly believe Awohali, and attempt to argue his case.

Soo.

It is just a matter of whether posting it publicly, or sending to some one - which assumes that this here Broderick trusts a player enough.
My first instinct would be to give it to Hambone - but I am not confident he could be trusted. I have a gut read on him as a citizen, but he could be sneaky. He is not stupid. Stephanie, because of Mags over Themba and Jenny over Awohali.

[Broderick]

FInish ^ late. Got sidetracked with stupid stuff that doesn't work.

[Broderick]

Owen:

Not a problem, I appreciate the response as well. If you and I could keep up with the being civilized shit, I really think it would benefit everyone but the spies.

Did anyone who was at the Exile, know this? I think if this was known it would of supported his claim - that others had to initiate the conversation with him, for it to count towards his 150.

Cory knew, we discussed everything (we shared the same gut suspicion of Awo). The main person that was telling me that Awohali was looking for me was Jenny. Just checked said conversation and she knew that Awo and I had talked after that. Those are the only two I can recall knowing for sure; one of them is dead, the other is the target of said role. Not gonna get any support there, unfortunately.

I've not intentionally tried to put doubt on you - not in the sense that I'm saving you for a mislynch later. I'm not a spy. From my perspective you were part of the Alexei lynch. Which seemed to create a tight bond between yourself and Tina. Since quite often when I was talking with her, she would refer to discussing some thing with you. There was also the Episode three thing concerning Lawrence's possibly spyslip catch of Isaac/Themba. I recall the two of us talking about it - then Tina IMed me I think the Day after. So, either Lawrence told her (which I doubt,) or you did. Which added to my idea that you two were quite 'close', if you will.

Spies is a game of doubt and the unknown, so as town I completely expect you to have doubt in people, even me. Thus why my whole imprisonment theory needs to be reworked or thrown away. Especially considering the fact that I've suspected Jenny very heavily in the past and I'm still around... and she's defended me... and been nice to me and tried to cheer me up when I've been at my low points.

As far as the possible Isaac/Themba slip getting to Tina through me, you're correct. I had shared this with both Gabe and Tina after I found it and we had decided to keep it under wraps for the time being so that they wouldn't be able to backtrack if something were to come out of it. I think I even told you about that when you told me that Lawrence had mentioned it to you.

In regards to your picking of Mary. I guessed that you would pick either Tina or Mary - because I knew you and Tina were close. The only reason I said Mary was that you made a comment about joking around with her - which would of happened in a private chat. Typically people who joke around with each other, have had a few conversations. It turned out to be right. When I found out that you and Mary had just had your first conversation that episode - I found it rather suspicious. Then I thought perhaps Mary was the Doctor and she revealed to you. I believed I dropped it after thinking that - which Cory IMed me not long after bringing it up, and kind of solidified my thinking.

As you picked up on, Tina and I were very close by that point, so she would be an obvious choice. The thing is, we both thought that if she was to get her vote back it would make it even more likely that she'd be imprisoned. The next choice would have been Cory, who was in fact the doctor (I'll get more into this in a second). Picking him may have sent up some red flags and put him in danger. I talked this over with both Cory and Tina while I was making my choice, and they both agreed that Mary would be a good choice because of how of strongly against Isaac she was.

Back onto Cory: he claimed to me July 3rd/4th (depending on timezones). I was a bit skeptical at first, but everything matched up and made sense quickly.

Doctor facts:
- Saved GABE (shocker) Imprisonment 2. got lucky picking someone he felt was a fun/smart character from the other team.
- Lost saving power after Gabe was saved. The one thing I hate about Sam's doctor roles.
- Claimed to Nita after team switch & Gabe's death.
- Claimed to me after I became dictator.
- Has claimed to others since, Stephanie didn't believe it at all. That's how the entire "apologize to me after I come up town" thing started with Cory/Steph.

The original claim to me came up RIGHT before the (most likely) fake Savannah messages saying that Gabe was the doctor and saved Nita. If Gabe was the doctor and saved Nita, he would have claimed to Nita. I know Nita was 3rd party, but I feel like if Cory had claimed to her and said that he saved Gabe, Nita would have known that wasn't true and outed it. She may not have, but for some reason I rarely ever had doubt in all of it. I think it would have been way too risky for him to claim a role that's possibly still in the game in the hands of another player to me. Even though he didn't have his saving powers anymore, it was nice to have someone that I could trust/work with, so it stayed between us for a round, then slowly between the people that we trusted at the time.

We considered going public with it, but Cory wasn't in danger of being lynched and was trying to lay low for a while so he wouldn't be imprisoned.

I'm sure you'll have other questions about it, but I'll move on for now.

I have suspected you, for multiple reasons. Mostly discussed with Cory, Claude, and a little bit to Lawrence because he asked. Cory brought up good points on you not being Imprisoned over Tina - because you don't make cases. which makes you look suspicious none the less. You don't make cases, at least that I've seen publicly for awhile. You don't exactly discuss with every player in the game - even though it is clear that there is a large portion of players who seem to want to bow to you because of the Dictatorship and etcetera. Also the fact that Cory explicitly told me that you would never be exiled.

Fair enough. The imprisonment that Tina went, the two of us were fairly positive that it would come down to us. We went back and forth with wanting to stay and wanting the other to be safe. The reason I wanted Tina to stay is one of the things you said, because she was always making cases. I've never been much of a big case builder and I admittedly have moments where I'm very lazy, while Tina was always putting things together and didn't seem to have a lazy bone in her body. I think more people were suspicious of Tina than they were of me though, so I thought that would have been a point against me come imprisonment.

As far as my not building cases is concerned -- I think that I've still had some solid posts. Most recently was my post on Magalie. But overall, I'll agree that I haven't been as prominent on the boards as you'd think someone that has people "bowing down to his dictatorship" would be. That said, I really don't like when people act like they're just laying down and doing what I want because I was the dictator (Allan, mostly). I'm not the leader, nor am even A LEADER, and I don't expect or want people to look at me as such. I want people to look at me in a good light because I've helped out in the game, not because I was voted for a power. It's overwhelming and frustrating.

Cory said a couples of times to me that neither him or I would ever be lynched. I thought it was to keep our spirits up, but if he's said it to others, apparently not. I'm not so optimistic about that (as you could tell from my theory) but I would guess he said that trusting me and being sure that my actions have been genuine. Nobody is un-lynchable (see Spies3Jack).

Did Cory have a role?

What are you talking about?!

On a collective the Senate members are rather tight lipped. I even created a thread specifically for the Senators to publicly say where their vote is going - and only a few actually used it.

Was away this round and posted the previous round that I was going to be voting Magalie (and provided strong reasons). Also told people I was leaning towards Isaac.

"You're so vain. You probably think this song is about you. Don't you?"

Apparently so. My bad, assuming you didn't mean me specifically.

I think that Senators should be held accountable for their actions and voting reasons, just as much as we in the HoR are. I don't think that it should be akin to pulling teeth just to get half of the Senators to discuss openly. Because it isn't just me, but there is a clear division between HoR and Senate - not just the one drawn by Sam.

I agree that we should be held accountable just as much as the others. It's not like we're the real fucking Senate, we're all playing the same game.

There definitely is a division between the two, but that's not to say that I don't have a disconnect with people in the Senate as well. Cinnamyn and I have barely talked (perhaps because of different schedules) and I don't talk to or trust Mary as much as I'd like to for someone that I handed voting power back to. I'm digressing a bit, but there's definitely more division than just the Senate/HoR.

I'm not a fan of this twist in general and would much rather have a straight up game being played. That couldn't happen soon enough.

The most recent time I brought this up, Claude essentially admitted that he was dealing with a bunch of Behind the scenes stuff that it was hard for him to keep things straight conversation wise. Gertrude I believe said I was being an asshole about it - which I was not.

In regards to behind the scenes stuff - I suspected before Claude admitted to Jasmine and later myself.
There can be an equal balance between juggling Secrets and playing in the public eye. Like I told Claude and Gertrude - playing mafia without relying on roles has been done successfully for quite some time. So it isn't that hard to balance secret role stuff and public play - as it also has been done successfully.

There is truth behind what Claude is saying, and I assumed you figured as much from one of our last conversations when you made a comment about it. Not going to speak more on it here.

While I'm not going to get more into it, I do think the two can and should be balanced. It's easier said then done, but it's ideal. I think at this point of the game especially though, that it's more important that more people are effectively communicating.

Since you seem to be involved with this stuff - I think there are too many roles out there. Especially with them all being judged 'citizen'. Where are the spy roles?

I have thought exactly the same, even moreso now that Awohali has claimed. To me, it increases the chances that Kiara's role is fake. Claiming a role with little importance, that is unconfirmable with such a short amount of time left makes me feel a bit uneasy about it. The one thing that looked good for Kiara is that she did not claim there was a dead doctor, but there were others who knew and it easily could have gotten around, so even that could be explained.

Alexei's & Isaac's? Those are THE only two spy roles? Two roles, one of which is more personal than team? I also brought this up to Kiara. Why would Cinnamyn be bribed to give the Spies a Role block role, if Isaac's was already present (could delay a role action used on someone).

Firstly, I feel like Magalie was the spy messenger. Of course Kiara's role says otherwise, but Magalie has a lot of posts for a spy that wasn't around already (I believe you've said that somewhere as well). To my knowledge, no messages have been received since she's left.

Now, I've also thought that it doesn't seem like there's enough spy roles out there. Could be that one of these "citizen" roles is scum, could be that there's a role out there that we're completely unaware of, could be that the bribes the spies have limited the roles that they were given by Sam. It's a tough call.

Unsure about the Cinnamyn bribe. I do think it's likely that there's been spies bribed, especially considering the amount of WIFOM Magalie used. Another thing I've been wondering is if all bribes are public. If not, the ones that are being done publicly and don't offer much look pretty sketchy.

I also asked Sam if roleholders were bound by the divided teams, and he said no. Which brings into question Kiara's aspect of her role - where she could only guess the alignment of the one being exiled on her team. So *shrug*

Hadn't thought of that... good call. That doesn't exactly match up.

I believe that Awohali never would of been exiled had people been playing the game less emotionally and socially. Cinnamyn, Chance... etcetera.
Gertrude herself (I believe) only suspected Awohali because of you.
From my perspective - she wanted Dane to be nominated, then you gave her your suspect list; and she then wanted Dane & Awohali.

Not sure if emotion had too much to do with it. He was smart and appeared to be trying hard, but I've seen logical mafia before. I do think his role (if real) was a disadvantage for him as far as a social game is concerned though, since he most likely would have been hesitant to initiate conversations when they wouldn't count towards his total.

I'm almost certain that Gertrude was suspicious of Awohali before that.

As soon as Jenny signed on, she knew Awohali claimed - she came into the group chat asking about it. It was about ten seconds after she signed on. So Chance telling her that quickly?

Oh lord. Chance doing another thing that makes me want to slap myself for thinking he's town. Not sure why he would jump on her the second she got on.

Claude brought up Kiara using her role on Awohali. My only problem with this - is that you have to assume Kiara is a citizen, and trust she will tell you the truth. I also see it as a plausible door opening for spyJenny to remain here.

Like I said before, Kiara's role is unconfirmable, so that doesn't help us at all. There is absolutely NO REASON not to lynch Jenny. If we can't trust a confirmed citizen that wasn't a troll, we're fucked anyway.

Is this what you are referring to with Cinnamyn

Yep. I just found it surprising that somebody other than myself (who knows that I'm town) would think with that mindset.

I have something which I am trying to track down of where she got.
Mary told me in a group chat that Cinnamyn dropped myself and Awohali as suspects the day of Exile 6. As far as I can find - this group chat log was never posted, sadly it is missing from my own records. Which makes me question why or how Cinnamyn knew this. Mary admitted to telling a few other people, so I supposed they could of told her. However cinnamyn knew it was Mary specifically, soo.. I find this entire thing a bit fishy.

I wasn't aware that she even dropped you guys as suspects. Odd to drop someone and then come back to them the following exile.

Unless Mary is the only person Cinnamyn said that to (which seems unlikely if it was in a group chat) than it's also odd that she knows it was specifically Mary who told you.

Well, it feels like I've written a book already, but I'm glad that we're communicating better than we were before. My break was due to a medical condition I have that's worsened by stress. I'm not looking for an excuse for people to chill out with me, it's a legitimate problem that I didn't expect would be a problem (because it hasn't been one before). In short, if you and I could squash whatever bullshit we've had, it would make everything a lot easier for both of us.

And while we're at it, I'll just lay the things that I was suspicious of about you on the table:

- Forceful presence, avid questioning, some twisting of words -- both town and scum can slip up with that kind of pressure. great mislynching tools.
- Tried taking attention off of Isaac, saying it would be in poor taste to lynch him then. If I think someone is a spy, I'm going to lynch them even under bad circumstances.
- Pushed Chance @ Magalie lynch; possibly protecting Magalie.
- Made comments about spies bussing more than we'd think they would, something that would draw attention away from someone not bussing at all up until now.

(After Isaac)
(1:30:28 AM) spies8broderick: Spies will bus each other. A lot more common than people seem to think.
(1:59:38 AM) spies8broderick: I disagree. Bussing is not rare, and it happens more often than people think it does.

(On Magalie)
[23:01] spies8broderick: She probably messed up, then didn't know how to get herself out of it. So her spypals most likely turned on her as a sacrifice

Aaaaaaaaand there goes my Broderick the non-bussing spy theory if Jenny is scum.

Anyway, thought I'd put that out there for you so you can respond to those concerns. First one isn't exactly a scum-tell, but it's something I've questioned a bit.

If you don't want to respond to my 9 page essay, I shall be on AIM tomorrow (today). Probably late though.

[Broderick]

Me:

Spies is a game of doubt and the unknown, so as town I completely expect you to have doubt in people, even me. Thus why my whole imprisonment theory needs to be reworked or thrown away. Especially considering the fact that I've suspected Jenny very heavily in the past and I'm still around... and she's defended me... and been nice to me and tried to cheer me up when I've been at my low points.

As far as the possible Isaac/Themba slip getting to Tina through me, you're correct. I had shared this with both Gabe and Tina after I found it and we had decided to keep it under wraps for the time being so that they wouldn't be able to backtrack if something were to come out of it. I think I even told you about that when you told me that Lawrence had mentioned it to you.

I recall that you did. It was simply Tina asking me if I knew.

As you picked up on, Tina and I were very close by that point, so she would be an obvious choice. The thing is, we both thought that if she was to get her vote back it would make it even more likely that she'd be imprisoned. The next choice would have been Cory, who was in fact the doctor (I'll get more into this in a second). Picking him may have sent up some red flags and put him in danger. I talked this over with both Cory and Tina while I was making my choice, and they both agreed that Mary would be a good choice because of how of strongly against Isaac she was.

Back onto Cory: he claimed to me July 3rd/4th (depending on timezones). I was a bit skeptical at first, but everything matched up and made sense quickly.

Doctor facts:
- Saved GABE (shocker) Imprisonment 2. got lucky picking someone he felt was a fun/smart character from the other team.
- Lost saving power after Gabe was saved. The one thing I hate about Sam's doctor roles.
- Claimed to Nita after team switch & Gabe's death.
- Claimed to me after I became dictator.
- Has claimed to others since, Stephanie didn't believe it at all. That's how the entire "apologize to me after I come up town" thing started with Cory/Steph.

Why would he claim to Stephanie?
My theory that the Spies have been going after the Doctor, seem to be solidified considering Cory was just imprisoned. Lilith went after saying Allan was lying about Gabriel being the Doctor - which heavily implied that either A) she was the doctor or b) she knew who the doctor was. I recall having this conversation with someone, I would have to look back to see. But I remember thinking this while having convos with others, but staying quiet because they could be a spy. lol

Then Tina goes, after Mags calling her the Doc. That is really a bunch of WIFOM and stuff, but *shrug*

Then Cory the actual Doc goes.

The original claim to me came up RIGHT before the (most likely) fake Savannah messages saying that Gabe was the doctor and saved Nita. If Gabe was the doctor and saved Nita, he would have claimed to Nita. I know Nita was 3rd party, but I feel like if Cory had claimed to her and said that he saved Gabe, Nita would have known that wasn't true and outed it. She may not have, but for some reason I rarely ever had doubt in all of it. I think it would have been way too risky for him to claim a role that's possibly still in the game in the hands of another player to me. Even though he didn't have his saving powers anymore, it was nice to have someone that I could trust/work with, so it stayed between us for a round, then slowly between the people that we trusted at the time.

We considered going public with it, but Cory wasn't in danger of being lynched and was trying to lay low for a while so he wouldn't be imprisoned.

I'm sure you'll have other questions about it, but I'll move on for now.

See above. lol. I think I had more questions when I first read, but they might return to me later.

As far as my not building cases is concerned -- I think that I've still had some solid posts. Most recently was my post on Magalie. But overall, I'll agree that I haven't been as prominent on the boards as you'd think someone that has people "bowing down to his dictatorship" would be. That said, I really don't like when people act like they're just laying down and doing what I want because I was the dictator (Allan, mostly). I'm not the leader, nor am even A LEADER, and I don't expect or want people to look at me as such. I want people to look at me in a good light because I've helped out in the game, not because I was voted for a power. It's overwhelming and frustrating.

Cory said a couples of times to me that neither him or I would ever be lynched. I thought it was to keep our spirits up, but if he's said it to others, apparently not. I'm not so optimistic about that (as you could tell from my theory) but I would guess he said that trusting me and being sure that my actions have been genuine. Nobody is un-lynchable (see Spies3Jack).

I can see that to an extent. The largest showing of 'bow to owen' was episode 6, where people voted accordingly to give you more choices. Forgoing their own suspicions to put a vote where it might lynch someone. Something with Chance himself admitted tome - which I find extremely suspicious. He has done it multiple times. I outed it in the group chat, and it got downplayed by Gertrude mostly. Which is part of my problem. Some of these people who are in 'power positions' aka the SEnate, who probably have not played mafia very much, are being listened to over people who have quite a bit. lol yes we are all anonymous. However blegh that is rather a nonpoint and I don't want to go there.
But it also goes back to my entire issue on people lurking in the chat room. Scum lurk. So when multiple people admit that they sit in a group chat merely to watch - it makes me want to go into a hulk rage. Because lurking is bad!

Purposefully forgoing your own suspicions to put your vote where it might lynch some one - is scummy. Yes there are instances where it should be done. Say with Jenny. She is highly likely a citizen, and those people who may not of suspected her before hand, should probably vote her - rather than going off on there own. But these weren't the situations.

You may not want to be A Leader, but you are. People are going off of what you say and do, so..

What are you talking about?!

Heh. It was mostly a guess that Cory had a role. It was either him or yourself. Since some of the things he said to me, implied that you had a role. As well as something that Gertrude said - implied their was a cop out there.

Was away this round and posted the previous round that I was going to be voting Magalie (and provided strong reasons). Also told people I was leaning towards Isaac.

"You're so vain. You probably think this song is about you. Don't you?"

Apparently so. My bad, assuming you didn't mean me specifically.

Yeah, I wasn't meaning you specifically, as you were way. But.. Gertrude, Mary, Claude, etcetera. yes Claude is always going to be on Chance. But he can at least say so lol. I think he is falling back on his Chance suspicion to avoid looking for those three/two other spies.

I agree that we should be held accountable just as much as the others. It's not like we're the real fucking Senate, we're all playing the same game.

There definitely is a division between the two, but that's not to say that I don't have a disconnect with people in the Senate as well. Cinnamyn and I have barely talked (perhaps because of different schedules) and I don't talk to or trust Mary as much as I'd like to for someone that I handed voting power back to. I'm digressing a bit, but there's definitely more division than just the Senate/HoR.

I'm not a fan of this twist in general and would much rather have a straight up game being played. That couldn't happen soon enough.

I believe this is the last episode of the division. I believe that every one save the one player who will never get a vote back - ends this episode. SO by next episode every player will have a vote - save the one unlucky. However I am thinking that the unlucky person won't be around much long any how.

Which brings me to a point - Lawrence made a comment that the unlucky person would be a citizen. Almost like none of the spies would not get their vote back. I would have to find the exact quote.

There is truth behind what Claude is saying, and I assumed you figured as much from one of our last conversations when you made a comment about it. Not going to speak more on it here.

While I'm not going to get more into it, I do think the two can and should be balanced. It's easier said then done, but it's ideal. I think at this point of the game especially though, that it's more important that more people are effectively communicating.

Meh. I've no idea, would have to dissect that chat lol. Well I knew there was a role involved with Kiara/Allan/Tina thing. I just don't know what. I know Tina said something to Kiara to sway her off of Allan, I still have no idea what it wa s- but it involves another person/role, considering that Kiara wouldn't tell me for that reason after Allan left.

I have thought exactly the same, even moreso now that Awohali has claimed. To me, it increases the chances that Kiara's role is fake. Claiming a role with little importance, that is unconfirmable with such a short amount of time left makes me feel a bit uneasy about it. The one thing that looked good for Kiara is that she did not claim there was a dead doctor, but there were others who knew and it easily could have gotten around, so even that could be explained.



Firstly, I feel like Magalie was the spy messenger. Of course Kiara's role says otherwise, but Magalie has a lot of posts for a spy that wasn't around already (I believe you've said that somewhere as well). To my knowledge, no messages have been received since she's left.

Now, I've also thought that it doesn't seem like there's enough spy roles out there. Could be that one of these "citizen" roles is scum, could be that there's a role out there that we're completely unaware of, could be that the bribes the spies have limited the roles that they were given by Sam. It's a tough call.

Unsure about the Cinnamyn bribe. I do think it's likely that there's been spies bribed, especially considering the amount of WIFOM Magalie used. Another thing I've been wondering is if all bribes are public. If not, the ones that are being done publicly and don't offer much look pretty sketchy.



Hadn't thought of that... good call. That doesn't exactly match up.

I actually asked Sam the question back in Episode 3. When I said it to Kiara, the first time she was AFK or what ever. The second time, she kind of avoided answering and pretty much demanded why I would ask Sam such a question. I took it (and I believe Claude as well) that she was role fishing.
There is the 'make immune from Exile' role out there. Which just deviated from their 'pattern'. They made Gertrude immune on an odd number episode.

Not sure if emotion had too much to do with it. He was smart and appeared to be trying hard, but I've seen logical mafia before. I do think his role (if real) was a disadvantage for him as far as a social game is concerned though, since he most likely would have been hesitant to initiate conversations when they wouldn't count towards his total.

I was more talking about the emotions of those who voted for Awohali. Chance is a rather emotional player, and is going to go after those he dislikes before those he likes. Just take his relationship with Jenny. There was NO way he was going to switch his vote from Awohali to Jenny. Even if Awohali had publicly claimed much earlier than he did - he still would of gone.

I'm almost certain that Gertrude was suspicious of Awohali before that.

I merely found it strange. If she was suspicious of AWohali before, then why was she only trying to get Dane nominated?

Oh lord. Chance doing another thing that makes me want to slap myself for thinking he's town. Not sure why he would jump on her the second she got on.[/quote
*shrug* He is good friends with her. SpyPals.. *shrug*

Yep. I just found it surprising that somebody other than myself (who knows that I'm town) would think with that mindset.

I wasn't aware that she even dropped you guys as suspects. Odd to drop someone and then come back to them the following exile.

Unless Mary is the only person Cinnamyn said that to (which seems unlikely if it was in a group chat) than it's also odd that she knows it was specifically Mary who told you.

I believe CInnamyn told Mary privately that her suspects were Zed, Kiara, and Jenny. (If I remember right). I had been talking about CInnamyn I believe int he group chat - and Mary told me her suspects. I was the one that mentioned to Mary in the group chat, that she dropped Awohali and myself. I outlined all of this in my case against Cinnamyn last episode. But you were away so..

I can only recall Lawrence in the group chat. Since I was on Meebo at the time, and apparently did not save the conversation - I can't verify who all was in the chat. Nor who all Mary told. But when I asked Cinnamyn the question, it seemed like she was expecting it. So she knew about it somehow - as well as that Mary said it.

Well, it feels like I've written a book already, but I'm glad that we're communicating better than we were before. My break was due to a medical condition I have that's worsened by stress. I'm not looking for an excuse for people to chill out with me, it's a legitimate problem that I didn't expect would be a problem (because it hasn't been one before). In short, if you and I could squash whatever bullshit we've had, it would make everything a lot easier for both of us.

Sorry to hear that. Hope things work out and it doesn't become a problem for you again.

In regards to 'asshole' Broderick. I've make significant strides in that area. But I can't completely change my methods because some people may or may not misinterpret me. It also doesn't help if you have people who continually instigate. (Not you, just there are others who it seems any time I really try to discuss tings in a civil manner. They jump on my case and try to instigate something.)

And while we're at it, I'll just lay the things that I was suspicious of about you on the table:

- Forceful presence, avid questioning, some twisting of words -- both town and scum can slip up with that kind of pressure. great mislynching tools.
- Tried taking attention off of Isaac, saying it would be in poor taste to lynch him then. If I think someone is a spy, I'm going to lynch them even under bad circumstances.
- Pushed Chance @ Magalie lynch; possibly protecting Magalie.


Aaaaaaaaand there goes my Broderick the non-bussing spy theory if Jenny is scum.

Anyway, thought I'd put that out there for you so you can respond to those concerns. First one isn't exactly a scum-tell, but it's something I've questioned a bit.

I wasn't trying to take attention off of Isaac, and I pretty much knew that I would take backlash from my comment about him. It really had nothing to do with his alignment. I personally find going after someone when they can not be here for emergency reasons to be rather distasteful. Others are fine to do that - but you won't ever find me on that wagon. I think it is a players right to be able to defend themselves, and when they can't because of something like that.. *shrug*

I wouldn't say I pushed Chance @ the Mags exile. I was pretty much AWOL that episode, because I really did not want to be around the playerlist at the time. So I wasn't around for the fake message and stuff.

- Made comments about spies bussing more than we'd think they would, something that would draw attention away from someone not bussing at all up until now.

(After Isaac)
(1:30:28 AM) spies8broderick: Spies will bus each other. A lot more common than people seem to think.
(1:59:38 AM) spies8broderick: I disagree. Bussing is not rare, and it happens more often than people think it does.

(On Magalie)
[23:01] spies8broderick: She probably messed up, then didn't know how to get herself out of it. So her spypals most likely turned on her as a sacrifice

This really goes to meta, and my mafia experience. lol
I have run up against people numerous times who for some reason think that spies will not bus each other. So some times I say these types of comments, mainly so people don't all think that way A is always what happens, and B never does.
Spies will bus and they won't bus. I'm not saying that neither happen. I'm saying both happen.

Also that some people think spies will only bus if their pal is in heaps of trouble. Not true.

In regards to Mags. It goes back to meta and experience. A few times as scum, we have had no qualms in throwing a pal to the wolves, if you will, because they were a detriment to the team, and long-term goal of winning.

[Broderick]

FINALLY

THIS

Is that chat transcript I've been looking for. I thought I didn't get it posted.


« Reply #5 on Jul 22, 2010, 1:21pm »
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Those people were in the chat when I said it was funny she droppe dAwohali and myslf.
Claude, Lawrence, and MAry were there when Mary said Cinnamyn's suspect the Night of Exile 6.

[Broderick]

I probably should send out a 'if I am imprisoned' message. But I just can't be bothered to right now.
So *shrug*

I will just hope that I am NOT imprisoned.

[Broderick]

HULK HULK HULK HULK HULL

BTW. I FUCKING KNEW there was serious Behind the Scenes shit going on.
I also KNEW/SUSPECTED that Chance/Gertrude at least one of them had a role.

Thought it is a total fuckshitfuckme I hate you kind of scenario.
All of the Awohali/Jenny/Kiara
then Chance/Gertrude shit.

hgfnsghlhgldshflsdhf

Like I told Mary and Claude just now.
This fucking pisses me off. If Chance is supposedly a fucking citizen, I wasted half of my time here chasing NOTHING.
Same with Gertrude. TIME WASTED.

FUCK YOU BITCHES.

I HATE THIS KIND OF PLAY.
This game could of been over by now, if people weren't so fucking stupid.

[Broderick]

Imprisonment posted @ :42
@ :51 Claude says in group chat that Awohali did not have a role (for Kiara)

spies8chance 6:54 pm
that much i'm not allowed to say, stephanie.
however, i think am allowed to state that you in particular are on the right track and have been for a while.
any more than that might be breaking rules.

-----> In regards to how/why they became Mason's after Camilla's exile.

Why didn't Chance make anyone immune from Exile this episode?

spies8chance 7:00 pm
and maybe owen being immune doesn't point against him this time.
but i don't see a reason for the spies to have picked cory over owen when NEITHER was immune.
gertie forgot to use her role that episode.

spies8kiara 7:00 pm
she forgot?
spies8stephanie 7:00 pm
when did kiara find out?
spies8chance 7:00 pm
the deadline was 24 hours after exile, and she got kidnapped for RL stuff.
spies8kiara 7:00 pm
after sedekiahs exile
spies8chance 7:01 pm
kiara found out right after her claim.
spies8stephanie 7:01 pm
and when did claude find out?
spies8claude 7:01 pm
When I gained my vote back, and they couldn't avoid telling me anymore.
spies8chance 7:01 pm
i wasn't here for claude finding out. gertie went behind my back and told him.
spies8chance 7:01 pm
in order, it was owen > cory > tina > mary > claude > kiara.
spies8stephanie 7:01 pm
and did they know who gert was protecting?
spies8chance 7:02 pm
generally. it was always owen/cory.
spies8jenny 7:02 pm
Did the spies know they were immune?
spies8stephanie 7:02 pm
but did mary,claude, kiara know who was protected?
spies8chance 7:02 pm
of course they did.
generally.
spies8claude 7:03 pm
Especially considering how Kiara was feeling me out as to how much I trust her last night, I think that there is a decent chance that we're being setup here.
spies8chance 7:03 pm
if there's a spy in the group i think it's owen.
especially if jenny really is a spy.
spies8claude 7:04 pm
I mean luls, there's almost surely a spy in the group
spies8kiara 7:04 pm
why would jenny being a spu make owen more of a spy?
spies8claude 7:04 pm
The group is like 2/3rds of the palyerbase or something now.
spies8chance 7:04 pm
because jenny being a spy means that the main point for owen's citizenship (the isaac exile) is off the table.
spies8stephanie 7:04 pm
huh?
spies8chance 7:04 pm
that exile was between isaac and jenny.
spies8claude 7:04 pm
That has never been a point for Owen being a Citizen, Isaac was the only viable lynch candidate that day.
spies8stephanie 7:05 pm
and me?
spies8chance 7:05 pm
owen's main point about it was 'if i was a spy i'd have lynched jenny instead of isaac'.

spies8chance 7:09 pm
so then, who's the lynch this time?

spies8chance 7:09 pm
lynching jenny would shed light on the burg, but i don't want to lynch her just for information.
i'd very much like a jasmine lynch. awohali flipping citizen makes it extremely likely she's a spy.

Why?

spies8claude 7:21 pm
I'm really having a hard time believing that Awohali lied about having a role, knowing about Kiara's role.
spies8chance 7:22 pm
let's think.
spies8claude 7:22 pm
It was so, so obvious that we would just have Kiara check him.

excellent point

spies8chance 7:33 pm
also, by the way, for anyone who's wondering, no one is immune from exile this round because gertie was imprisoned, and i was protecting her again.

Answer to why no one is immune this episode

spies8chance 7:43 pm
well, regardless, i can't buy awohali's claim at this time. and jenny was so likely to go this episode that i'm not sure a spy-kiara would have tried to save her like this.


Iris/Amelia

spies8chance (17:00:59): kiara found out right after her claim.
spies8chance (18:19:6): kiara knew about gertie and i from just before the zedekiah exile on.

Why tell her so easily?
Especially when even those who had switched to Zed for her, were not confident?

[Broderick]

spies8broderick (17:58:59): did kiara know about your and gert?
spies8broderick (18:02:15): If she didn't before you all revealed. she could've been tested
spies8broderick (18:05:39): whoops. forgot you were getting good
spies8chance went idle at 18:08:0
spies8chance came back from idle at 18:18:2
spies8chance (18:18:36): hmm?
spies8chance (18:19:6): kiara knew about gertie and i from just before the zedekiah exile on.
spies8broderick (18:22:10): how come?
spies8chance (18:22:25): general consensus of the group at the time - we all thought she was cit.

[Broderick]

(10:45:45 PM) spies8jenny: Wait, Dane got nominated?
(10:45:46 PM) spies8jenny: Really?
(10:45:49 PM) sorintheseeker: Claude.
(10:45:51 PM) spies8stephanie: duh
(10:45:51 PM) spies8jasmine: W
(10:45:52 PM) spies8jasmine: T
(10:45:52 PM) spies8jasmine: F
(10:45:53 PM) spies8jasmine: ?
(10:45:55 PM) spies8jenny: ...
(10:45:56 PM) spies8jenny: What the?
(10:46:02 PM) spies8claude: I didn't post my converastions heh.
(10:46:04 PM) spies8jasmine: WHo nominated Claude or Dnae?
(10:46:06 PM) spies8jasmine: ..
(10:46:13 PM) spies8claude: forgot about it
(10:46:13 PM) spies8jenny: I picked rondie, who the heck was on Dane and Claude?
(10:46:14 PM) spies8claude:
(10:46:18 PM) spies8jasmine: ..
(10:46:18 PM) sorintheseeker: and
(10:46:19 PM) sorintheseeker: Jenny.
(10:46:22 PM) spies8jasmine: Thanks for that
(10:46:22 PM) spies8jenny: Ok there we go.
(10:46:23 PM) spies8jasmine:
(10:46:26 PM) spies8jenny: I was going to say.
(10:46:27 PM) spies8claude: lol Sam
(10:46:30 PM) spies8claude: such a tease.
(10:46:32 PM) sorintheseeker: Rondak, Claude, Dane, and Jenny, you will face Exile on Monday night as the four nominees.
(10:46:32 PM) spies8jasmine: god, i was gonna freak.
(10:46:41 PM) spies8stephanie: i was just going to go scream at hambone
(10:46:45 PM) spies8jenny: I would have too actually.
(10:47:04 PM) spies8stephanie: claude
(10:47:04 PM) spies8jenny: Sheesh.
(10:47:13 PM) sorintheseeker: full results are posted here: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?ac....ead=1377&page=1
(10:47:15 PM) spies8jasmine: Claude, did you not post convos on accident? or?
(10:47:21 PM) spies8claude: yeah I just spaced it.
(10:47:24 PM) spies8jasmine: ?
(10:47:28 PM) spies8jasmine: seriously?
(10:47:31 PM) spies8claude: shrug
(10:47:36 PM) spies8jasmine: Wtf.
(10:47:39 PM) spies8jenny: Oh here we go.
(10:47:42 PM) spies8jenny: Dane forgot conversations as well.
(10:47:51 PM) spies8jenny: That makes a heck of a lot more sense.


interesting reaction from Jenny in regards to Dane being nominated.

[Judge Sam]

those muffins look delicious! blueberry muffins are my favorite. unfortunately they are loaded with calories and carbs so I can't have them any more haha.

thank you for keeping your awesome confessional full + up to date, I enjoy reading it. I know also that after the game lots of people will as well.

[Broderick]

Jul 27, 2010 9:19:47 GMT -6 Broderick said:

I feel like Gertrude is my Buth.
But.. *sigh*

QFT/E. At least I never voted her a bunch of times like Trey did last season.

Haha. I just like the fruit, and get bored after awhile eating just the fruit by itself.

[Broderick]

spies8lawrence (20:46:25): Hmm
spies8lawrence (20:46:46): I suspect Dane and Jenny at this point
spies8lawrence (20:46:58): Cinnamyn could be a teammate
spies8lawrence (20:47:13): And the fourth?
spies8lawrence (20:47:22): I'm not sure
spies8lawrence (20:47:36): Claude?
spies8lawrence (20:47:47): Or maybe someone like Jasmine?
spies8lawrence (20:47:59): If I'm guessing based off of scum molds
spies8broderick (20:48:1): transgendered?
spies8jasmine (20:48:7): "someone like jasmine"
spies8jasmine (20:48:8): how rude.
spies8broderick (20:48:14): I thought you didn't like scum molds?
spies8lawrence (20:48:23): I don't like using only scum molds
spies8lawrence (20:48:36): Going from an evidence/individual suspicion standpoint, Jenny and Dane are at the top of my list
spies8lawrence (20:48:51): By someone like Jasmine, I mean a lower-key player
spies8lawrence (20:49:30): Jasmine/Stephanie/Hambone/Kiara
spies8jasmine (20:49:32): My guess: Jenny/Stephanie/Kiara, maybe Owen/Dane/Mary for the last one.
spies8lawrence (20:49:37): Active, but not overly active.
spies8broderick (20:49:45): K
spies8jasmine (20:49:46): Prolly pick mary or dane if i had to for a fourth.

[Broderick]

spies8broderick (22:32:5): Claude alive?
spies8claude (22:32:56): ?
spies8broderick (22:33:11): Thats a yes. lol
spies8broderick (22:34:19): Who do you think the remaining spies are?
spies8claude (22:34:41): It's hard to say.
spies8claude (22:34:50): If Jenny is a Spy, then probably Dane, Kiara, and X.
spies8claude (22:35:0): If Jenny is not..then I have really no idea.
spies8broderick (22:35:34): Why Dane if she is a spy?
spies8broderick (22:35:50): I assume Kiara because of her stating Awohali didn't have a role
spies8claude (22:35:57): right.
spies8claude (22:36:26): Though it's possible that she's telling the truth and awohali was gambitting
spies8claude (22:36:38): Even if Jenny flips Spy, that is.
spies8broderick (22:40:13): So why Dane?
spies8claude (22:42:16): Jenny gave him all of her 'points' or w/e
spies8claude (22:42:24): reminds me alot of magalie getting her vote back from the spies
spies8claude (22:44:24): Of course, if Jenny is a Citizen..then shrug
spies8broderick (23:11:2): Ugh. Too many noobies/survivor players in here


Notations:
Jenny's lack of really defending herself. Lack of emotion. She showed more emotion when defending third party rant.

Dane and Rondak seem popular names these days.

Claude is totally blase about things.

Where the fuck is every one at?

Mary? Owen? Hambone? Chance? (even though he blocked me.) SMD.

[Broderick]

spies8mary (20:21:54): I bet the Spy team captain gets to pick one Senator too.

[Broderick]

Wasted Player Slot

[Broderick]

Another Wasted Player Slot

When I say a waste of a playerslot, I mean that in the "nicest" way possible. Shit, who is any one trying to kid. I mean it exactly how I say it. Waste. I don't expect people to be on for 24/7. Just use some proper time management. It takes less than one minute to make a post on the boards saying 'I suspect x, so I am voting for them'. It would take a few more minutes most likely to detail why. Or to send off a PM to someone to ask them questions, or what have you. So that I think is the largest issue here. Piss poor time management. Definitely applies to Dane. Rondak, I feel sorry for. My gut says they are a newbie, and probably just drowning and not sure what to do - but at the same time you applied and volunteered to be a replacement. SO you should of had at least some idea of what you were getting into [this also applies to Claude, who I will discuss later], so the excuses wane as the game progresses. So I feel bad when I'm overly harsh towards Rondak - but at the same time I'm not going to pussy foot around here. SPIES ARE ELIMINATING US ONE BY ONE, k?!?!

Claude. Ugh. Completely disrespectful - something which gets under my skin super quick. Who the fuck cares if an activity gives you no personal game - do it anyways. If you are a citizen, then you are part of a team. This is not Claude world. You say Sam sent you an application - well perhaps you should of taken a gander at just what spies is/was. Even when the game started, you had to of noticed there were differences. Completely selfish prick. Even if you don't agree with something the mod does - unless it is completely ridiculous and game breaking - such it up and quit your bitching.

[Broderick]

spies8broderick (00:14:38): Who are you suspects other than Jenny?
spies8hambone (00:14:59): your*
spies8hambone (00:15:3): Brondak!
spies8broderick (00:15:9): lol. *your
spies8broderick (00:15:24): K. That is two/four spies left lol
spies8hambone (00:15:29): i need to pick up my game, yes, i know
spies8hambone (00:15:42): i have to ask Dane a question
spies8hambone (00:15:43): cuz
spies8hambone (00:15:46): i see u posted
spies8hambone (00:15:48): that he is voting for jenny
spies8hambone (00:15:55): i found that to be a total bandwagon vote
spies8hambone (00:16:7): i couldve sworn he said a day ago that he suspected other ppl over jenny
spies8broderick (00:16:12): mmhmm. I told him much the same, and he called me a fucktard
spies8hambone (00:16:14): but now hesvoting for here
spies8hambone (00:16:19): her*
spies8hambone (00:16:27): u beat me to it
spies8hambone (00:16:29): bitch
spies8hambone (00:16:31): canada
spies8broderick (00:16:32): He is a joke lol
spies8hambone (00:16:33): ho
spies8hambone (00:16:46): so i suspect Dane now for that
spies8hambone (00:16:53): u asked him that same thing?
spies8hambone (00:16:56): he said nothing else?

hambone, @ this timestamp: Jenny, Rondak, Dane, and "spies8hambone (00:24:9): SHIT theres 4
spies8hambone (00:24:27): i need to do research"

[Broderick]

spies8hambone (00:31:42): here is Dane's story in the game
spies8hambone (00:31:55): week one, "shit shit, alexei is getting caught, BUS"
spies8hambone (00:32:21): week two, savannah is getting a lot of votes, im joining cuz gabe is smart
spies8broderick (00:32:54): He supposedly voted Stephanie during the vote shroud
spies8hambone (00:32:56): week three, i need a target and i choose steph. she is CRAZY.... however its a wasted vote since themba has way more
spies8hambone (00:33:1): ok
spies8hambone (00:33:11): week four, idk what to do, continued attack on steph
spies8hambone (00:33:37): week five or w/e it is, im going after Rondak (due to WHOSE CASE THO?)
spies8hambone (00:33:41): i made one
spies8hambone (00:33:51): but jenny made "points" (hes not active! )
spies8broderick (00:33:53): I think there were multiple people on Rondak
spies8broderick (00:33:58): Either way - never his own case
spies8hambone (00:34:0): jenny/dane connection?
spies8broderick (00:34:6): Oh for sure
spies8broderick (00:34:15): Jenny has defended Dane, apparently since the first episode
spies8hambone (00:34:15): they both went after rondak
spies8hambone (00:34:18): yeah
spies8hambone (00:34:19): she has
spies8hambone (00:34:20): and IS
spies8hambone (00:34:23): look
spies8hambone (00:34:26): she just gave him his vote back
spies8broderick (00:34:31): Yes
spies8hambone (00:34:34): 98 love points to him
spies8hambone (00:34:37): 1 to me and jasman

ROFL @ Hambone. Gotta love the :guy:

[Hambone]