Conversation With Lilith:icon IM History with buddy spies8lilith
Tuesday, June 29, 2010
spies8lilith (1:31:51 AM): Hello Madame XD!
spies8jasmine (1:32:12 AM): Hi Lilith
spies8jasmine (1:32:13 AM): :-)
spies8lilith (1:32:19 AM): How are you? ^_^
spies8jasmine (1:32:44 AM): I'm pretty good! How are you? :-D Enjoying it so far even though you've come in mid way?
spies8lilith (1:33:06 AM): Hmmmm, honestly, it's mostly frustrating and confusing, lol.
spies8jasmine (1:33:11 AM): Aw, lol
spies8lilith (1:33:58 AM): Barely anyone is talking to me and I feel like I have no one to slightly connect to and bounce off any thoughts off of. And trying to keep up with the past is difficult so I'm trying to stay away from it but I feel there is still valuable information there, lol.
spies8jasmine (1:34:15 AM): Yea, to be honest gurl
spies8jasmine (1:34:22 AM): I don't even know anything much that happened at the republican end
spies8jasmine (1:34:26 AM): i tried to stick with the democrats
spies8jasmine (1:34:31 AM): i didnt think we'd mix for a bit
spies8jasmine (1:34:38 AM): so im trying to caught up on it all as well
spies8jasmine (1:34:43 AM): alexei being a spy
spies8jasmine (1:34:50 AM): i think the people he voted for
spies8jasmine (1:34:53 AM): and the thoughts he had
spies8jasmine (1:34:56 AM): will be very valuable to know
spies8lilith (10:42:51 PM): Ok, just by the way you and Dane are talking. My current read is that you both are innocent. And I am fairly confident Zed and Stephanie are spies. I really have no connections to anyone (being new and all) and barely anyone to talk to about my suspcions so I'm just going to bounce them off you and Dane and see what yall say, lol.
spies8jasmine (10:43:20 PM): Okay! lol. So far, I havent gotton to talk to these republicans much
spies8jasmine (10:43:25 PM): but ive been suspcious of themab
spies8jasmine (10:43:29 PM): themba*
spies8jasmine (10:43:41 PM): zed and steph are possibilities tho, why do u think them?
spies8lilith (10:44:11 PM): I was at first when Tina started talking about her, but after reading her thread post, I wasn't sure anymore. The way Zed responded when I questioned him about his past, it just seemed to me like he was mafia.
spies8lilith (10:44:27 PM): He was just short and his overall play style doesn't seem like how a town would play in my opinion.
spies8jasmine (10:44:54 PM): Gotcha. I need to talk to him more as well, I haven't gotton a good read on him--he doesn't say much.
spies8jasmine (10:45:02 PM): Dane suspects Themba, Steph, and Zed..right?
spies8lilith (10:45:17 PM): Stephanie so much only because she is defending Zed and trying to make him stay around longer.
spies8lilith (10:45:28 PM): I don't know who Dane suspects, I just like the way he is acting and it seems town to me, lol.
spies8jasmine (10:45:38 PM): Oh okay. lol.
spies8jasmine (10:45:39 PM): Hmm.
spies8jasmine (10:46:02 PM): I think we just need to try and get them to talk more about what happened with them on their team
spies8jasmine (10:46:07 PM): thats what imma do anything
spies8jasmine (10:46:10 PM): anyways*
spies8jasmine (10:46:14 PM): might give us something
spies8lilith (10:47:08 PM): One thing on Zed is that Sav suspected him and we KNOW Sav was a citizen. So we have a citizen's suspscion on Zed.
spies8lilith (10:47:18 PM): Gabe told me this last night.
spies8jasmine (10:47:40 PM): Yea, PLus they said she voted for Steph
spies8jasmine (10:47:46 PM): so i think zed/steph as possible spies
spies8jasmine (10:47:52 PM): is a good thought as of right now.
spies8lilith (10:48:01 PM): O shoot, I didn't even realize that.
spies8lilith (10:48:19 PM): I was just listening to Steph in the chat yesterday and how she was talking about Zed.
spies8jasmine (10:49:02 PM): lol. i didnt see anything of her defending him
spies8lilith (10:49:10 PM): After just 2 rounds, she says "I think Zed is going to be the **** of this game" (someone in a previous game that kept being suspect but nevre voted out. Aka, it's like she was trying to imply he wasn't goin to get voted out and he was innocent. And something about how she was saying it sounded wrong to me.
spies8jasmine (10:49:11 PM): but if she is, it might be a perfect example of them working together.
spies8lilith (10:49:30 PM): She's not outright doing it, but the way she says it, it implants a seed in ur mind to not vote him off and that he is innocent.
spies8lilith (10:49:50 PM): Like she is TRYING to make him be someone that everyone suspects but doesn't vote off.
spies8jasmine (10:49:58 PM): now brod is trying to defend steph. -_-.
spies8jasmine (10:50:00 PM): yea i know what u mean
spies8jasmine (10:50:14 PM): I don't really suspect him tho--brod.
spies8jasmine (10:50:19 PM): i just think he doesnt like me, and is set that he thinks im a spy
spies8jasmine (10:50:27 PM): so he wants me out, no mattah what/disagrees with whatever i say
spies8jasmine (10:50:27 PM): lol
spies8lilith (10:50:34 PM): Brod suspects both you and Dane (i think) which makes me fishy, but after talking to him, I don't think he is a spy, but not highly confident, lol.
spies8lilith (10:50:46 PM): Ooo, I typed that before even reading what u said, it's good we agree on that, LOL.
spies8jasmine (10:51:30 PM): LOL. yea, im the same way
spies8jasmine (10:51:32 PM): im not confident
spies8jasmine (10:51:34 PM): but as of right now
spies8jasmine (10:51:35 PM): i dont think he is
spies8jasmine (10:51:36 PM): lol
spies8jasmine (10:51:44 PM): he jsut keeps suspecting people who i dont think r spies
spies8jasmine (10:51:48 PM): like before he thought it was me
spies8jasmine (10:51:55 PM): he thought it was like claude
spies8jasmine (10:51:58 PM): and camilla
spies8jasmine (10:51:58 PM): etc
spies8jasmine (10:52:04 PM): people i didnt think were spies at all
spies8lilith (10:52:36 PM): Ooo, that sounds like me. I get suspcious of like everyone and accuse everyone at some point in most games and then people discredit my opinion. But eventually I settle down on someone and people don't think my opinion is valid because I've accused everyone by that point :-P.
spies8lilith (10:52:58 PM): Like Gabe first time i spoke to him i went from thinking he had to be a citizen to unsure and leaning towards spy. Then he dies --_-- ...lol
spies8lilith (10:53:03 PM): and Tina I just can't get a read on
spies8lilith (10:53:21 PM): those are really the only 2, besides Brod, that i've actually spoken to, and a brief interaction with Zed in which he kept it short
spies8lilith (10:53:25 PM): and his response, to me, wasn't that of a town
spies8jasmine (10:53:26 PM): Hm, the more you pointed out Zed/Steph the more i think it might be true. lol. Because, i'm not sure how legit this is--but they were both online most of the day of the imprisonment, like before it happened. They weren't very chatty with me either. So they couldve been chatty with eachother/other spies.
spies8lilith (10:55:11 PM): Yay, now I am happy, cuz you're atleast talking to me about my suspcions, and even if you are a spy trying to lead me down the right path (I really doubt you are, but if you were, you're doing a good job cuz :-P), I am very happy someone is atleast INTERESTED in talknig about suspiscions. Others have been like, not passionate and just matter of fact about things, and I couldn't read them at all.
spies8jasmine (10:55:53 PM): LOL. yea I know what you mean!
spies8jasmine (10:56:16 PM): I'm hoping they all stay online for most of the night, :-P. i wanna get some evidence!!!
spies8jasmine (10:56:18 PM): lol
spies8lilith (10:56:28 PM): lol
spies8jasmine (10:56:52 PM): I love how they havent outright been suspcious of everyoen thus far either
spies8jasmine (10:56:56 PM): like this round anyways
spies8lilith (10:57:02 PM): Who?
spies8jasmine (10:57:06 PM): steph/zed/themba
spies8jasmine (10:57:09 PM): even owen/kiara
spies8jasmine (10:57:12 PM): the republicans in general
spies8jasmine (10:57:34 PM): i was thinking they were going to try and let us democrats eat eachother
spies8lilith (10:57:36 PM): Ahhh
spies8jasmine (10:57:38 PM): because we came over with such baggage
spies8lilith (10:57:43 PM): (I don't know republicans from democrats ;-)).. lol
spies8jasmine (10:57:46 PM): oh. :-P
spies8lilith (10:57:52 PM): Being a replacement and all, lol
spies8jasmine (10:58:01 PM): me, issac, lawrence, and brod were the democrats.
spies8lilith (10:58:09 PM): The way Tina talked to me first time I thought I was on her team originally, lol
spies8lilith (10:58:13 PM): only four?
spies8jasmine (10:58:18 PM): i think u were too
spies8lilith (10:58:24 PM): i was too, yes
spies8jasmine (10:58:28 PM): so us 5.
spies8lilith (11:09:18 PM): Part of me wants to voice to everyone that I strongly suspect Steph and Zed (just to see how they react) but I am also afraid that if they are mafia I'll be a big target to them. And if nobody believes me then the mafia will def. want to get rid of me eventually and then I got myself killed for nothing, lol.
spies8lilith (11:09:33 PM): But part of me also feels like there's people on my team I haven't looked at enough.
spies8lilith (11:09:51 PM): I feel like mafia might be smart and just try to stay as low as possible and blend in, cuz right now I am overlooking a lot of people, lol.
spies8lilith (11:10:13 PM): And hell, there could only be 2 or less mafia on our side, and right now there's a lot of people i'm hesitant about, lol.
spies8jasmine (11:12:49 PM): I don't think you should hesitant to call them out, if you can back it up
spies8jasmine (11:12:51 PM): with thoughts
spies8jasmine (11:12:59 PM): and you wont be 100% alone if dane thinks that as well, and im starting to.
spies8lilith (11:14:52 PM): I am terrible at logic and argueing (lol). For the most part I just use my gut instinct and read how people are acting. I look to see if people are acting how a town REALLY would act, or if they are only pretending to act like town.
spies8lilith (11:15:02 PM): Mafia can't fake being a town the same way a town things. Not even a really good mafia.
spies8lilith (11:15:27 PM): Mafia know in the back of their minds, even if they try to ignore it, who mafia really are. So they can't "scumhunt" with sincerity like real town people do.
spies8lilith (11:15:41 PM): That is what I look for, but it's hard to use logic when talking about how I think people are acting.
spies8jasmine (11:16:00 PM): Thats the same here. I don't like arguing my point either
spies8jasmine (11:16:03 PM): annoys the shit outta me
spies8jasmine (11:16:06 PM): LOL
spies8lilith (11:17:04 PM): I'm fine with arguing my point, but I know that there's always that one guy who knows how to use big words and convinving logic. As town or mafia, that player is dangerous cuz he can look like his logic is superior and a great debate person and can be convincing. And those people scare me.
spies8lilith (11:17:24 PM): And from a host perspective, you know atleast one of those type of players is going to be mafia, in order to make a good balance (having mafias with different startegies).
spies8jasmine (11:18:45 PM): Yea, I could totally see that as well. The people who have a hard time explaining themselves/using good words, etc
spies8jasmine (11:18:47 PM): will be the cits
spies8jasmine (11:18:47 PM): :-P
spies8lilith (11:19:19 PM): lol
spies8lilith (11:19:38 PM): I wasn't saying all, I think the mafia will be a mix of lurkers, people good at argueing, and one person that everyone loves
spies8lilith (11:21:26 PM): So I am talking to Stephanie one on one right now to get a better read (I honestly only judged her on a few comments that made me feel odd) and now she is not helping her case, lol.
spies8jasmine (11:21:38 PM): oh? lol. Are you talking to Dane as well?
spies8lilith (11:21:46 PM): He left ?
spies8lilith (11:21:53 PM): He said, i think, lol.
spies8jasmine (11:22:18 PM): Oh okay!
spies8jasmine (11:22:19 PM): lol
spies8jasmine (11:22:25 PM): ive yet to speak to him
spies8jasmine (11:22:28 PM): other then during the challenge
spies8lilith (11:50:14 PM): I'll be honest, I was suspiscious of Steph, after talking to her I am pulling back to "Unsure" (where a lot of people are, rofl), but I don't want to admit that in case I change my mind later, lol.
spies8jasmine (11:50:39 PM): LOL. Okay. I'm starting to wonder why Zed doesn't speak much
spies8jasmine (11:50:44 PM): if he's trying to play the dumb/clueless
spies8jasmine (11:50:51 PM): because he is really spy
spies8jasmine (11:50:53 PM): or maybe he's new as well
spies8jasmine (11:50:54 PM): just not sure
spies8lilith (11:54:02 PM): Zed claimed he was new
spies8lilith (11:54:19 PM): But I don't think so
spies8lilith (11:54:22 PM): I don't get that
spies8jasmine (11:54:23 PM): I'm new, but i think claiming that can be an easy lie as a spy as ell.
spies8lilith (11:54:28 PM): if Zed claims he is new
spies8lilith (11:54:30 PM): how he we use the term HQ
spies8lilith (11:54:41 PM): my theory was maybe he was a spy in a past game and that's why he said HQ
spies8jasmine (11:54:47 PM): well i know a lot of people play on epicmafia.com
spies8lilith (11:54:49 PM): but if he is new, he would barely know what HQ is, lol
spies8lilith (11:54:59 PM): epicmafia doesn't have a HQ though (does it? lol)
spies8jasmine (11:55:05 PM): HQ = Headquaters?
spies8jasmine (11:55:06 PM): no it doesnt
spies8jasmine (11:55:07 PM): lol
spies8jasmine (11:55:17 PM): why was he talking about headquaraters?
spies8jasmine (11:55:20 PM): for what?
spies8jasmine (11:55:23 PM): i missed this!!
spies8jasmine (11:55:24 PM): lol
spies8jasmine (11:56:46 PM): wat is this HQ remark? So confused.
spies8lilith (11:57:15 PM): O!
spies8lilith (11:57:19 PM): You don't know?
spies8lilith (11:57:23 PM): LOL YAY I GET TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING :-P
spies8jasmine (11:57:28 PM): NO! omg explain
spies8lilith (11:57:28 PM): actually i'll probably misexplain it
spies8jasmine (11:57:33 PM): omg try your best!!
spies8jasmine (11:57:34 PM): lol
spies8lilith (11:57:40 PM): but there was some sort of comment made about are we allowed to post in the forum
spies8lilith (11:57:55 PM): and Zed said "Of course, it's our HQ afterall" ...
spies8lilith (11:58:06 PM): And HQ is what spies called their forums in all the past spy games.
spies8lilith (11:58:10 PM): So people thought it was a slip up.
spies8jasmine (11:58:14 PM): =-O
spies8lilith (11:58:31 PM): I realize my explanation is like playing telephone, Tina or someone else can probably explain it better.
spies8lilith (11:58:44 PM): This happened 1st episode though, and no one voted him second episod,e and instead the person that suspected Zed (Sav) got voted out.
spies8jasmine (11:58:48 PM): omg tho, do spies have chats and stuff--cause maybe he was in multiple chats
spies8jasmine (11:58:52 PM): and then that would be a slip up
spies8lilith (11:58:59 PM): The fact that Sav was innocent and who her suscpions were make an impression on me.
spies8lilith (11:59:32 PM): I thought it could be a slip up, like, if you're a spy you look at the word HQ all day on the forum. And then you use it in talking, even if you don't mean to.
spies8lilith (11:59:52 PM): (In Psychology, when talking, you unconsciously overhear other people talking, and unconscious use the same words they do without knowing it, I forget the term)
spies8lilith (11:59:59 PM): but something like that, he sees the woord HQ all day, and uses it in chat on accident
Wednesday, June 30, 2010
spies8lilith (12:00:03 AM): and someone calls him out on it
spies8jasmine (12:00:10 AM): Thats true, but also. i think spies can talk together--even if they are on different teams, right? They prolly have group chats on aim. And if he said that in like a republican chatroom. he could have thought it was a spy asking it in the spy chatroom.
spies8lilith (12:00:27 AM): i didn't explain the psychology part to anyone else but u, i think most people think he slipped up and called the Republican base the spy base name
spies8lilith (12:00:44 AM): I don't know, I don't remember who he was talking with.
spies8jasmine (12:00:48 AM): hm
spies8lilith (12:00:58 AM): Although yes, I would assume spies can talk to eachother across teams, since they have to all kill one person :-P.
spies8lilith (12:19:37 AM): Thank you for responding, the silence made me feel like my ideas were stupid or something, LOL.
spies8jasmine (12:19:46 AM): omg they arent
spies8jasmine (12:19:52 AM): these people arent as talkative as the democratics
spies8jasmine (12:19:55 AM): i really miss them
spies8jasmine (12:19:55 AM): :-(
spies8jasmine (12:19:56 AM): lol
spies8lilith (12:33:46 AM): I kind of want to go join the other side, LOL. Even Gabe told me the other day that this side isn't very lively (I can't remember if he said serious or boring, lol) and that the other is the more intergative side, lol.
spies8lilith (12:33:49 AM): I can't read this people.
spies8lilith (12:34:17 AM): Seriously, everything everyone says makes me think they are mafia (Tina's lack of open suspiscions, just asking questions, Stephanie's attitude in chat is different than one on one, lol)
spies8jasmine (12:34:33 AM): Stephanie is so odd, Tina is as well.
spies8jasmine (12:34:35 AM): They are just so quiet
spies8lilith (12:34:37 AM): They all seem slightly mafiaish to me yet i know they can't all be mafia, lol
spies8jasmine (12:34:38 AM): it bugs me. lol.
spies8jasmine (12:34:43 AM): Yea, i know wat u mean
spies8jasmine (12:34:47 AM): the democratics were more out there
spies8jasmine (12:34:51 AM): we'd all openly discuss
spies8jasmine (12:34:54 AM): and screm at eachother
spies8jasmine (12:34:54 AM): etc
spies8jasmine (12:34:59 AM): scream*
spies8lilith (12:35:00 AM): Tina is so iffy to me. Like I don't know if she is town or mafia at all (she's the first person I talked to).
spies8lilith (12:35:16 AM): She took time to explain what I missed, but when I questioned stuff and had my opinions on things she didn't really react.
spies8lilith (12:35:41 AM): I don't know if she didn't care cuz I was new or if it's her personality or if she is mafia and I was questioning something she didn't want to be brought back up, lol.
spies8lilith (12:35:49 AM): Not saying she's mafia, she's just so hard to read for me, LOL.
spies8jasmine (12:35:56 AM): lol. Same here, Ive yet to talk to her, tbh
spies8jasmine (12:36:32 AM): LOL.
spies8jasmine (12:36:39 AM): "I forgot you were on this team Tina" "Thats not very nice"
spies8jasmine (12:36:40 AM): lmaooo
spies8lilith (12:36:45 AM): Btw, Tina claimed she was voting Alexei, but switched at the last minute, just info on her.
spies8jasmine (12:36:55 AM): ahh, who did she switch to?
spies8lilith (12:37:19 AM): I don't remember, but the way she explained it was because of the way Alexei defended himself.
spies8lilith (12:37:30 AM): It SOUNDS fishy, but I just believed it, lol.
spies8lilith (12:37:31 AM): Themba also did the same thing.
spies8lilith (12:37:51 AM): I honestly think mafia would try to blend in and vote Alexei anyways though to be honest, lol.
spies8lilith (12:38:01 AM): I don't know, I have too many conflicting ideas, lol.
spies8jasmine (12:39:13 AM): yea, the votes ended up bein close tho
spies8jasmine (12:39:17 AM): im looking at the history
spies8jasmine (12:39:20 AM): 6 people voted alexei
spies8jasmine (12:39:24 AM): 4 people voted zedekiah
spies8jasmine (12:39:29 AM): and zedekiah is quiet
spies8jasmine (12:39:39 AM): people may have thought he wouldnt vote or post conversations
spies8jasmine (12:39:40 AM): or something
spies8jasmine (12:39:42 AM): never know
spies8lilith (12:40:58 AM): Everything Stephanie is saying, INDIRECTLY, is suggesting Zed isn't mafia
spies8lilith (12:41:03 AM): grrrrrr
spies8jasmine (12:41:36 AM): I know, she really is defensive over him
spies8jasmine (12:41:37 AM): :-\
spies8lilith (12:45:07 AM): It's not really defending though, it's so indirect, lol.
spies8jasmine (12:45:39 AM): i dont think a spy would be dumb enough to do that tho
spies8jasmine (12:45:44 AM): to always defend one of there own
spies8jasmine (12:45:53 AM): so ya, idk
spies8jasmine (12:45:58 AM): i almost think they both cant be spies
spies8jasmine (12:46:00 AM): but one prolly is
spies8lilith (12:48:31 AM): I actually don't think Stephanie is a spy
spies8lilith (12:48:35 AM): after still talking to her, lol
spies8lilith (12:48:39 AM): for now
spies8lilith (12:48:41 AM): i don't know
spies8lilith (12:48:59 AM): i keep changing my mind, and i feel like revealing my mind helps me and others, but at the same time, causes me to change my mind more, LOL
spies8jasmine (12:49:05 AM): Yea, I'm so unsure. They don't talk enough for me to get a vibe of them. :-\
spies8jasmine (12:49:10 AM): off*
spies8jasmine (12:49:20 AM): I have a feeling I might be targetted for just being outspoken.
spies8jasmine (12:49:33 AM): Or Brod/Isaac will for similar stuff, all based on democratic drama.
spies8lilith (12:49:36 AM): I don't think so, I hope not, Lol.
spies8lilith (12:49:42 AM): What is Brod/Issac?
spies8lilith (12:49:46 AM): I haven't heard this yet, lol.
spies8jasmine (12:49:47 AM): It just seems like nothing new is happening.
spies8jasmine (12:49:51 AM): Well, Brod suspects me
spies8jasmine (12:49:53 AM): I suspect Isaac
spies8jasmine (12:49:56 AM): and Issac suspects me
spies8jasmine (12:50:02 AM): so its kind of a circle, ish
spies8jasmine (12:50:16 AM): all from the old teams.
spies8lilith (12:50:27 AM): Lol.
spies8lilith (12:51:24 AM): I am actually really mad that Gabe got out. He was the first person I opened up to and told I have a good read on him for thinking a same thought I thought and for doing stuff. :-P And I am also pretty sure he was the only other person I knew that applied for this game, LOL.
spies8jasmine (12:52:04 AM): ohhhhh, like you knew who he really waS?
spies8jasmine (12:52:05 AM): ;-o
spies8lilith (12:52:41 AM): What if the republicans were are so strict because 7 of them were spies at the beginning and this is the tone they set? LOL
spies8lilith (12:52:52 AM): not likely at all, but an interesting idea :-P
spies8jasmine (12:53:01 AM): nah, cause chance is total spy
spies8jasmine (12:53:02 AM): LOL
spies8lilith (12:59:56 AM): Question - when it said someone gets a special power - is it at random?
spies8jasmine (1:01:18 AM): I'm not sure.
spies8jasmine (1:01:19 AM): :-\
spies8lilith (1:25:55 AM): Am i connected?
spies8jasmine (1:26:28 AM): Yes!
spies8jasmine (1:26:31 AM): But you left the chatroom.