Mary's Episode 3 Conversations

[Mary]

[12:38] spies8gertrude: Mary!!!
[12:38] spies8gertrude: Wrong font.
[12:38] spies8mary: Hi.
[12:38] spies8gertrude: Mary!!!
[12:38] spies8mary: I like that font better for you.
[12:39] spies8gertrude: Which? The blue?
[12:39] spies8mary: Yes.
[12:39] spies8gertrude: Me too!
[12:39] spies8gertrude: The other one is the default for meebo, I guess.
[12:40] spies8mary: I am asking Jenny about her claim for Allan.
[12:40] spies8mary: Have you read about that at all?
[12:40] spies8gertrude: Jenny claimed a role too?
[12:40] spies8gertrude: I
[12:40] spies8mary: No, she role claimed for Allan.
[12:40] spies8gertrude: I'm beginning to think I'm the only town without a role, ha.
[12:40] spies8gertrude: Oh,
[12:40] spies8gertrude: I sorta heard about that..
[12:41] spies8gertrude: Captain Planet or something?
[12:41] spies8gertrude: Where is that posted?
[12:41] spies8mary: spies8jenny: Ni-Ni can confirm, he claimed to her to more recently.
[12:42] spies8mary: Search for that in the group chat.
[12:42] spies8mary: She says Allan claimed his role to her two days after the game started.
[12:44] spies8gertrude: Hm.
[12:44] spies8gertrude: Couldn't Allan just get protected by the doctor, then protect the doctor over and over...?
[12:45] spies8mary: Yes, unless he has a limit on his role.
[12:45] spies8gertrude: Have there been limits in the past?
[12:45] spies8mary: Hmm.
[12:45] spies8gertrude: I wonder what would happen if Claude used his role on Allan...
[12:45] spies8mary: I'm pretty sure previous protective roles haven't been able to protect the same person forever.
[12:46] spies8gertrude: Oh, really.
[12:46] spies8gertrude: Interesting.
[12:47] spies8mary: The whole circumstances surrounding Allan make him sound Citizenish.
[12:48] spies8gertrude: Yes, I agree.
[12:48] spies8gertrude: His role is much more town-like than Claude's, at least.
[12:48] spies8mary: Why do you think that?
[12:49] spies8gertrude: Well, unless I'm mistaken..
[12:49] spies8gertrude: Oh, wait..
[12:49] spies8gertrude: Well.
[12:49] spies8gertrude: Yes, I still think so.
[12:49] spies8gertrude: Allan's, at the very least, makes it possible for the doctor to stay alive.
[12:50] spies8gertrude: Claude's just... tilts the votes in his favor, whether Spy or Cit.
[12:50] spies8mary: You are aware that Allan says there's a copy of his role on the other team?
[12:50] spies8gertrude: No?
[12:50] spies8mary: Either meaning on the Democrats or on the Spies.
[12:51] spies8gertrude: Other team meaning..
[12:51] spies8gertrude: Ah.
[12:51] spies8mary: spies8allan: i think there is one person with my role on our team, and one on the other team
[12:51] spies8gertrude: Does he not know the difference or will he be able to clarify when he next gets on?
[12:51] spies8mary: I don't know. I haven't spoken with him yet.
[12:51] spies8mary: But that by itself makes his role not Citizenish.
[12:52] spies8mary: But the circumstances of his claim do.
[12:52] spies8gertrude: Hm.
[12:52] spies8gertrude: So many roles.
[12:53] spies8gertrude: Did Allan say whether or not he was responsible for the Chance being Immune thing?
[12:53] spies8gertrude: No, wait.
[12:53] spies8gertrude: Never mind.
[12:53] spies8gertrude: He would've had to be Immune for that to happen.
[12:53] spies8gertrude: Right?
[12:54] spies8mary: I think so.
[12:54] spies8gertrude: Ok.
[12:55] spies8mary: How many roles have been mentioned?
[12:55] spies8mary: It seems like a lot.
[12:55] spies8gertrude: Claude's, Allan's, the doctor, and whatever made Chance Immune,
[12:55] spies8gertrude: Also Allan's counterpart.
[12:56] spies8mary: spies8chance (10:46:38 PM): wait, did savannah claim a role?
spies8chance (10:46:41 PM): i'm confused.
spies8dane (10:46:42 PM): wait what?
spies8jenny (10:46:47 PM): Rigth after votes ended she did.
spies8owen (10:46:49 PM): Yep.
spies8chance (10:46:53 PM): what did she claim?
spies8jenny (10:46:56 PM): Messenger.
[12:57] spies8gertrude: And that.
[12:57] spies8gertrude: What's messenger?
[12:57] spies8gertrude: Why would she claim after the votes were due...?
[12:58] spies8mary: I don't know.
[13:00] spies8gertrude: To both?
[13:00] spies8mary: I think Messengers in previous games were allowed to send people secret messages.

[Mary]

[11:31] spies8cinnamyn: whadup mary boo
[11:48] spies8mary: Hi.
[11:48] spies8cinnamyn: wut do u think bout deez new bitchez.?
[11:49] spies8mary: I haven't talked to any yet.
[11:49] spies8mary: I'm sure that if we leave Claude alone with them he will get them to hate Chance.
[11:49] spies8cinnamyn: lmbo, probly. n' vice versa
[11:51] spies8mary: I wonder if Lawrence and Isaac can hold their own over on the other team.
[11:51] spies8cinnamyn: i doubt it, but wutever
[11:52] spies8cinnamyn: i reallyyyyyyyy want 2 get a jenny exile, but i think chance/claude will get in da way
[11:56] spies8mary: They cancel each other out.
[11:56] spies8mary: Either way, there's enough noise that we should be safe. We need to play thinking ahead.
[11:56] spies8cinnamyn: wen chance goez claude will b trouble
[11:57] spies8mary: Be in trouble or be trouble for us?
[11:57] spies8cinnamyn: trouble 4 us
[11:59] spies8mary: Maybe. I don't think he suspects either of us, just Magalie.
[12:01] spies8cinnamyn: i wud jus' rather not n e 1 else go
[12:02] spies8cinnamyn: even if we have 2 drag they azzes wit' us
[12:02] spies8mary: I agree.
[12:02] spies8mary: Time for a Citizen chat.
[12:02] spies8mary: Have you met any new Democrats yet?
[12:02] spies8mary: I am talking to Jenny. She seems nice.
[12:02] spies8cinnamyn: yea im talkin 2 her 2 n' i talked 2 allan n' rondak earlyer
[12:02] spies8mary: Did you ask Allan about his role?
[12:03] spies8mary: Ok.
[12:03] spies8cinnamyn: jenny tol' me bout it
[12:04] spies8cinnamyn: allan also told me he told jenny da furst round bout it
[12:05] spies8mary: Jenny is not making sense when she talks about Allan's roleclaim.
[12:06] spies8mary: She seems to trust him even though he claimed two days after alignments and roles were handed out.
[12:06] spies8mary: What do you think of that?
[12:06] spies8cinnamyn: i dont no if dat in itself iz shady, but
[12:07] spies8cinnamyn: spies8jenny: (2:00:22 PM) His role is something about "if roles get used on him, he can use that role as well."
[12:07] spies8cinnamyn: dat seemed a lil' vague 4 sum1 nowin' bout it 4 2 roundz
[12:07] spies8cinnamyn: i am also wunderin' y she didnt push 2 try 2 get sum1 besidez allan exiled
[12:07] spies8mary: I read more specific things about his role in the group chat.
[12:08] spies8mary: She voted for Stephanie. Didn't she push Stephanie hard?
[12:08] spies8cinnamyn: deres no evidence of dat in da burg
[12:08] spies8mary: I think there is.
[12:09] spies8cinnamyn: she told me she didnt think savannah, themba, or allan wuz suspishis, yet dey wuz da 3 mos' talked bout 4 exile
[12:09] spies8mary: Interesting.
[12:09] spies8cinnamyn: i want 2 no y she didnt try 2 do more 2 save allan besidez role claim 4 him an hour b4 exile
[12:09] spies8mary: That's a good point.
[12:10] spies8mary: She didn't seem very firm in her Stephanie opinions.
[12:10] spies8mary: I think this is from one of their group chats:
[12:10] spies8mary: [22:03] spies8jenny: If a role is used on him, he gets to use it as well.
[22:03] spies8jenny: if a doctor protects him for example
[22:03] spies8jenny: he gets a protection to give out
[22:03] spies8jenny: if he's investigated, he gets an investigation to use, that sort of thing.
[22:04] spies8jenny: Ni-Ni can confirm, he claimed to her to more recently.
[22:04] spies8themba: so that would sound like a cit rolen then.
[22:04] spies8savannah: yeah
[12:11] spies8mary: I think I got that from the Burg.
[12:11] spies8mary: If so, it is safe to talk about.
[12:12] spies8mary: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=gop&thread=416&post=2772
[12:12] spies8mary: Search on "Ni-Ni"
[12:13] spies8cinnamyn: ok
[12:13] spies8cinnamyn: i feel lyke nita at least tryed 2 do more 2 luk 4 spiez
[12:16] spies8mary: Do you think Claude's role is a Citizen role?
[12:17] spies8cinnamyn: 50/50
[12:17] spies8mary: I think it's probably a Citizen role.
[12:17] spies8mary: Unless he's lying to us about it.
[12:17] spies8cinnamyn: i think we gotta luk at how he uzes it 2 determine cit or spy
[12:17] spies8cinnamyn: but da furst tyme he did it wuz out of spite more den n e thing else
[12:20] spies8cinnamyn: aight mary im off but i will talk 2 u l8r
[12:21] spies8mary: Bye.
[12:21] spies8mary: I am going to go get a tan.
[12:21] spies8cinnamyn: gud 4 u.! den may b ull b less scary
[12:21] Meebo Message: spies8cinnamyn is offline
[12:21] spies8mary: It never works.

[Mary]

[11:49] spies8jenny: So how have you been?
[11:49] spies8mary: Ok.
[11:49] spies8mary: I don't like days off.
[11:49] spies8jenny: Me either.
[11:49] spies8mary: I wanted to talk to people after those exiles.
[11:50] spies8mary: Can you tell me anything about how Savannah's exile happened?
[11:51] spies8jenny: I haven't a clue where that came up really.
[11:51] spies8jenny: Made no sense to me.
[11:51] spies8mary: Were you an Allan voter before he claimed?
[11:51] spies8jenny: I never voted Allan.
[11:52] spies8jenny: And I claimed for him.
[11:52] spies8jenny: He wasn't on when it came out.
[11:53] spies8mary: Why did you vote for Stephanie?
[11:54] spies8jenny: Because she at least was somewhat suspicious over Al, Savanny, and Themby which most people kept talking about.
[11:54] spies8jenny: I would rather have picked Zeddy, but with 3 cases up and none of them I agreed with, it was not exactly a good night for me.
[11:55] spies8mary: What were Stephanie's reasons for voting?
[11:55] spies8mary: She ended up voting Savannah I believe, but was "suspicious" of a few others.
[11:56] spies8jenny: As far as I can tell, because Savanny was voting her. I still don't really get what the big deal over her was.
[11:56] spies8jenny: The big deal over Savanny I mean.
[11:56] spies8mary: Was it OMGUS?
[11:57] spies8mary: Or did Stephanie have other stated reasons for voting Savannah?
[11:57] spies8jenny: She said some reasons for voting Savanny, but I really didn't get what she was trying to say.
[11:57] spies8mary: But you found her suspicious for her reasons.
[11:57] spies8jenny: Something about how Savanny was bringing up suspects.
[11:57] spies8jenny: Stephi seemed suspicious to me because she kept coming up with weird reasons to be suspicious of people
[11:58] spies8mary: Right, that's what I read in your group chats.
[11:58] spies8mary: You didn't think her reasons were good.
[11:58] spies8mary: I just wanted to know what the reasons were to see if I agree with you.
[11:58] spies8mary: What do you know about the old Democrat team?
[11:59] spies8jenny: I remember she said she was suspicious of Rondie because he asked more then once what bussing refered to.
[11:59] spies8mary: I read that. Was she the one that started that?
[11:59] spies8mary: It's a terrible reason to suspect someone, in my opinion.
[11:59] spies8jenny: Yes she was.
[11:59] spies8mary: If someone is new or wants to roleplay a new player, that's their prerogative.
[12:00] spies8jenny: Not to mention knowing a term doesn't really mean anything.
[12:00] spies8jenny: Goodness knows mafia has a lot of lingo and abbreviations.
[12:00] spies8mary: I think Rondak looked more suspicious for lurking in group chats.
[12:00] spies8mary: Than for anything about his vocabulary.
[12:01] spies8jenny: I've been wanting to talk with him more about the game, he's said he's been having problems figuring out what he's supposed to do. He's been getting more into it the last couple days at least so that's a good thing.
[12:01] spies8mary: I believe I read two occasions where he popped up when someone called his name after he was silent for a long while.
[12:01] spies8mary: Do you suspect him?
[12:02] spies8jenny: Not enough to vote for him yet, but I do want to hear more from him.
[12:02] spies8mary: What reasons do you have for suspecting him?
[12:03] spies8jenny: It's mostly just that I haven't heard him talk much game wise yet, so I don't have much of a read on him yet.
[12:03] spies8mary: Ok.
[12:03] spies8mary: Do you believe Allan's roleclaim is a Citizen role?
[12:04] spies8jenny: He claimed to me only two days into the game, and I don't really see a spy doing a roleclaim that early. That aside, the role itself could go either way, and he's even said he thinks it's possible that both sides have a role like that.
[12:04] spies8mary: Why would he claim so early?
[12:05] spies8mary: It doesn't sound like he's very concerned that you could be a spy.
[12:06] spies8mary: Does that make sense? You got quiet.
[12:07] spies8jenny: Sorry, talking to Spice also.
[12:07] spies8mary: Is that her new nickname?
[12:07] spies8mary: What spice is she?
[12:07] spies8jenny: Anyways, I think Al claimed to me partially because he thought I was a cit, and partially because I wasn't being mean to him.
[12:08] spies8mary: Was everyone else being "mean to him"?
[12:08] spies8jenny: And Spice is refering to Cinnamon of course.
[12:09] spies8jenny: Well mostly he was arguing with Nita a lot, and I was trying to help the two of them about that.
[12:09] spies8mary: But is she Big Spice or Chocolate Spice or Fabulous Spice?
[12:12] spies8jenny: Doesn't matter to me )
[12:13] spies8mary: As far as I can tell, Nita looks like a Citizen. Do you agree?
[12:14] spies8jenny: I agree, she doesn't make sense as a spy to me at all. Neither does Tina. They were the ones that first brought up Lexi, right after it sounded like everyone was fine with voting Zeddy.
[12:14] spies8jenny: No matter what alignment Zeddy is, I don't see a reason for a spy to switch over to another spy like that.
[12:15] spies8mary: I read a lot of Zed's posts. My guess is he is a Citizen.
[12:15] spies8mary: What do you think?
[12:15] spies8jenny: I wanted him exiled over anyone else brought up thursday.
[12:15] spies8mary: Why?
[12:16] spies8jenny: Because Al didn't make any sense as a spy, Savanny made no sense as a spy, Themby I get a cit read from, and Zeddy to me seems like a spy that started off saying ridiculous things and then suddenly got really quiet like other spies told him to lay low for a while and not talk much.
[12:16] spies8mary: Did he quiet down before the last exile?
[12:17] spies8mary: I saw a lot of reasoning from him in the first week.
[12:17] spies8jenny: I didn't hear a whole lot from him game wise after the night where he brought up Lexi suspicions right after Lexi was already exiled.
[12:17] spies8mary: Is that in the group chats? That's an odd thing to do.
[12:18] spies8jenny: Yep.
[12:18] spies8mary: He's not in our group, is he?
[12:18] spies8jenny: No he's still Republican, otherwise I'd probably want to vote him again.
[12:18] spies8mary: Ok.
[12:18] spies8mary: What do you think of Gabriel?
[12:19] spies8jenny: I dunno yet. He comes across as a cit to me when we talk, but he'd been on Savanny for inaccurate information for a long while.
[12:19] spies8mary: What inaccurate information?
[12:20] spies8jenny: Well he was on Savanny for a long while because he thought she was pushing that we vote out inactives, when she wasn't.
[12:20] spies8mary: Ok. Is that in the group chats?
[12:20] spies8jenny: The actual part where we talked about voting inactives should be.
[12:20] spies8mary: What was his final reason for voting Savannah?
[12:20] spies8mary: If you corrected him about his bad reason?
[12:21] spies8jenny: Well I tried to correct him about it, but he was still on about it.
[12:21] spies8mary: Do you have any questions about your new team?
[12:22] spies8jenny: What exactly is the deal between Lucky and Claude anyways?
[12:22] spies8jenny: Do they actually have suspicions on each other, or do they just not like each other, and want them to be spies.
[12:23] spies8mary: Chance is Captain Ahab and Claude is the white whale.
[12:23] spies8mary: I don't think Claude is a spy unless he is lying about his role.
[12:24] spies8mary: I think Chance chooses not to see all the evidence for some reason.
[12:24] spies8mary: Even though I have brought it up a few times.
[12:24] spies8mary: It is possible he is a bad Citizen.
[12:25] spies8mary: I think it's more likely he's a spy who has reached the point of no return and can't back off Claude or he will look terrible.
[12:26] spies8jenny: If claude really is a cit though, and Lucky knows it, then that's not exactly the best line of thinking either, because then he'd come under fire once Claude was revealed as a cit.
[12:26] spies8mary: He was mostly single focused on Claude before Claude claimed.
[12:27] spies8mary: Claude's claim is what makes him look most Cit, in my opinion.
[12:27] spies8mary: Even though it was a bad play if he's a Citizen.
[12:27] spies8mary: As was Allan's.
[12:27] spies8jenny: Yeah I don't know why a spy would admit it either, but I do agree with Lucky that roles that affect votes are more often spy roles from what I've seen.
[12:27] spies8jenny: So I dunno with Claude yet really.
[12:28] spies8mary: Is Allan new to mafia?
[12:28] spies8jenny: I never bothered to ask. I don't think he is, but he might be.
[12:28] spies8mary: Because if he is a Citizen, what he did endangered the doctor.
[12:28] spies8mary: Same logic applies to Claude.
[12:29] spies8jenny: How does his claim endanger the doctor?
[12:29] spies8mary: If the spies wanted to kill the doctor at the start of the game, how many choices did they have?
[12:30] spies8jenny: And I think you forgot something, technically I announced Allan's role publically. He wasn't online at the time, and I didn't want to see a potential town role get exiled.
[12:31] spies8mary: Yes but if you are a spy
[12:31] spies8mary: Then Allan claiming to you would endanger the doctor.
[12:32] spies8jenny: Oh I see what you're saying. I guess just going by the numbers that's true, but with how Al had been acting, I personally think the spies wouldn't have picked him anyways, thinking he'd get himself exiled. Which he nearly did.
[12:32] spies8mary: Ok.
[12:32] spies8jenny: I don't know why he felt like he needed to claim that early though.
[12:33] spies8mary: If he was in trouble, it makes sense as either alignment.
[12:33] spies8jenny: He originally claimed to me on Friday.
[12:33] spies8jenny: Not 2 days ago friday, Friday as in 2 days after game start.
[12:34] spies8mary: Right.
[12:35] spies8jenny: So from there, yes it was a little weird for him to claim then, but I don't see it being something a spy would do. And although just by going with the numbers it does narrow down the doctor slightly, by the time the night hit came around, I don't think he would have ever been considered anyways.

Either way though, the question is if you think what he did makes him a spy or not.
[12:35] spies8jenny: We don't need to find bad plays really, just the spies.
[12:35] spies8mary: Who was voting him before he claimed?
[12:36] spies8jenny: Let's see, it would have been after Zeddy's first ridiculous night, and Lexi was only starting to be brought up, I'd say if there was any votes, it was mostly on Zeddy with maybe a few on Lexi.
[12:37] spies8mary: I mean this past exile.
[12:37] spies8mary: Thursday.
[12:38] spies8jenny: Oh. I didn't make a tally, but looking at the vote thread, most of the people who were talking about their votes were saying they were voting Al, with a bunch saying Savanny after that.
[12:38] spies8mary: Ok. So you thought he was in danger.
[12:38] spies8jenny: Yeah, it seemed fairly clear to most people that he was the lead vote that night.
[12:39] spies8jenny: I was hoping he'd come on so that he could have a say about it, but an hour before exile was cutting it close as it was.
[12:39] spies8mary: Was there any other real alternative besides Savannah?
[12:40] spies8mary: Or did your claim only put her at risk?
[12:40] spies8jenny: Themby was behind the two of them.
[12:40] spies8jenny: Although that wasn't much fun either since I didn't agree with that case as well.
[12:40] spies8jenny: After the claim went out there was some talk of voting Stephi-kins instead, but in the end only myself and Savanny actually did so.
[12:43] spies8mary: Did you tell anyone else about Allan's role in the week you kept it mostly secret?
[12:43] spies8jenny: I didn't tell anyone, and Al only claimed to Ni-Ni the day on Wednesday after he came back from wanting to quit.
[12:44] spies8jenny: So only the three of us knew before that.
[12:44] spies8mary: Ok.
[12:44] spies8mary: Who have Allan's suspects been?
[12:44] spies8jenny: Let me check.
[12:45] spies8jenny: Stephi-kins he's worried about, he used to be worried about Ni-Ni, but has since decided against that.
[12:46] spies8mary: Were they for good reasons?
[12:46] spies8mary: Ignoring his role claim, has he seemed like a Citizen to you?
[12:47] spies8jenny: He doesn't really make sense to me as a spy personally.
[12:59] spies8mary: Did anyone tell Savannah she should claim before exile if she had a role?
[13:02] spies8jenny: Hang on, laptop is dying need to get it plugged in.
[13:03] spies8jenny: Okies there we go. Anyways, yes I told her that she should, and it turns out she had one as well, but she didn't tell anyone until it was too late to change votes.
[13:03] spies8mary: I need to go visit my family's graves soon.
[13:03] spies8jenny: She had a messenger role, that she didn't want to claim because she felt it'd be useless if she did claim.

[Mary]

[10:22] spies8jenny: Hi there Mary!
[11:47] spies8jenny: has joined the chat
[11:47] spies8claude: has joined the chat
[11:47] spies8cinnamyn: has joined the chat
[11:47] spies8mary: has joined the chat
[11:47] spies8mary: Hi.
[11:47] spies8jenny: Hi Mary!
[11:47] spies8jenny: Welcome back!
[11:47] spies8mary: Thanks. I made some oats for breakfast.
[11:47] spies8mary: No one was here except Gabriel earlier.
[11:48] spies8jenny: That's a long breakfast.
[11:48] spies8mary: I said hi to him because he looked lonely.
[11:48] spies8mary: But I don't think I'll say any more.
[11:48] spies8mary: You're the girl that posts all the group chats.
[11:49] spies8mary: And gives everyone nicknames.
[12:21] spies8cinnamyn: has left the chat
[12:38] spies8gertrude: has joined the chat
[12:39] spies8gertrude: Hey there, everyone!
[12:39] spies8jenny: Hi there Gerty!
[12:40] spies8gertrude: Hi!
[12:40] spies8gertrude: I'm so excited for this to resume
[12:41] spies8jenny: It has resumed!
[12:41] spies8jenny: We started back up on midnight!
[12:41] spies8gertrude: That's what I meant, ha, sorry
[13:00] spies8gertrude: So, Jenny
[13:01] spies8gertrude: Can you clear some things up about all these Republican roles that were claimed?
[13:01] spies8mary: I don't know why Savannah would wait on her claim. You'd think it might have had a chance of saving her.
[13:03] spies8jenny: Sure, what do you want to know?
[13:07] spies8gertrude: Sorry, I was called away from the computer for a moment
[13:07] spies8gertrude: Well, let's start of with the basics.
[13:07] spies8gertrude: Allan and Savannah claimed roles, right?
[13:08] spies8jenny: Savanny only did after it was too late to matter.
[13:10] spies8gertrude: Ok.
[13:10] spies8gertrude: And her claim was "Messenger"?
[13:11] spies8jenny: Yep.
[13:11] spies8gertrude: Did she explain what that does?
[13:11] spies8jenny: If it's the same messenger that I think it is, it would allow her to put annonymous messages in people's confessionals.
[13:11] spies8jenny: Which is useless if everyone knows who it is.
[13:11] spies8gertrude: right.
[13:11] spies8gertrude: Right.*
[13:12] spies8gertrude: Ok.
[13:12] spies8gertrude: And Allan's role?
[13:12] spies8jenny: Or at least that's what she thought. We could have used it to confirm Al, but she probably wasn't thinking about that at the time.
[13:12] spies8jenny: Al claimed to me the friday the game started, and to Ni-Ni the day before Exile.
[13:12] spies8gertrude: Ok..
[13:12] spies8jenny: His role is one that lets him use any powers that are used on him. So if a doctor protects him, he is allowed to use a doctor protection as well.
[13:13] spies8jenny: And so on.
[13:14] spies8gertrude: Hm..
[13:14] spies8gertrude: What if multiple roles are used on him?
[13:14] spies8gertrude: Welcome back, Claude!
[13:15] spies8jenny: All the roles used on him he copies that phase as I understand it.
[13:16] spies8gertrude: What do you mean by phase?
[13:17] spies8gertrude: Oh, never mind
[13:17] spies8gertrude: I got it.
[13:17] spies8gertrude: Does his role have a name?
[13:18] spies8jenny: He never told me, but he said it had something to do with lobbying, so I've just been thinking of it as "The Lobbyist" for now.
[13:18] spies8gertrude: Ah, ok.
[13:18] spies8gertrude: Anything else about either roleclaim?
[13:19] spies8jenny: Well Savanny's only came out after it was too late for votes to change, and she just said it was a messenger role.

As far as Al goes, he says he was not the doctor protection that the doctor saved, since he didn't get a use of it that night.
[13:20] spies8gertrude: Ok.
[13:21] spies8gertrude: Great, thanks for clarifying things!
[13:21] spies8jenny: No problem!
[13:21] spies8rondak: has joined the chat
[13:21] spies8gertrude: Hey there, Rondak!
[13:21] spies8rondak: Greetings.
[13:27] spies8mary: Hi Rondak.
[13:27] spies8rondak: Greetings, lass.
[13:27] spies8mary: Where have you been today?
[13:28] spies8rondak: Around, I suppose.
[13:28] spies8rondak: And yourself?
[13:28] spies8mary: Just cleaning and eating.
[13:28] spies8mary: I'm going to visit my family's grave soon.
[13:28] spies8rondak: *nods*
[13:28] spies8rondak: I usually visit mine once every night or so, damn grave robbers.
[13:29] spies8mary: I'd say where, but you'd probably go and loot it.
[13:29] spies8rondak: *chuckles*
[13:29] spies8rondak: No, no. I am chaotic good.
[13:29] spies8mary: That's reassuring.
[13:29] spies8rondak: *nods*
[13:30] spies8mary: I noticed from reading the Republican group chats that you sit back and listen a lot.
[13:30] spies8mary: And often pop up only when spoken to.
[13:30] spies8rondak: *nods*
[13:30] spies8rondak: I am still getting the hang of mafia and this game here.
[13:31] spies8rondak: I think I've gotten better as the time goes on, though.
[13:31] spies8mary: There's nothing like experience.
[13:31] spies8rondak: *nods*
[13:31] spies8rondak: That's what I tell that half-elf wench all the time.
[13:32] spies8mary: Does it make up for having an inferior sword?
[13:32] spies8rondak: I'm not sure if it's inferior.
[13:32] spies8rondak: I can unsheath it for you, if you would like, lass.
[13:32] spies8mary: I don't mean in your case specifically.
[13:32] spies8mary: So far, Jenny hasn't mentioned your sword.
[13:33] spies8rondak: We do not really talk about my sword much, or at least as much as I would like.
[13:33] spies8mary: The Democrats talk about lots of boring things.
[13:34] spies8mary: It would be a welcome change of topic.
[13:34] spies8rondak: *chuckles*
[13:34] spies8rondak: What do you talk about, then?
[13:34] spies8mary: Mostly Chance and Claude.
[13:34] spies8gertrude: ^
[13:34] spies8rondak: *chuckles*
[13:34] spies8rondak: Why is that?
[13:34] spies8gertrude: And Jasmine, occasionally.
[13:34] spies8jenny: I got the impression mostly Lucky and Claude talked about Lucky and Claude and everyone else just sighed.
[13:36] spies8mary: Magalie and Cinnamyn talk about their great great great grandparents and who owned who.
[13:36] spies8rondak: *chuckles*
[13:36] spies8mary: What do you think of Allan, Rondak?
[13:37] spies8rondak: I have not really talked to him.
[13:37] spies8rondak: He faux-quitted for a while.
[13:37] spies8rondak: And then when he returned he was not around when I was.
[13:38] spies8mary: Have you spoken with Nita much?
[13:38] spies8rondak: *nods*
[13:38] spies8rondak: She has really helped me, as far as mafia theory goes.
[13:38] spies8mary: Do you think she's a Spy?
[13:38] spies8rondak: She was -the- major factor in the Alexei case, I would say.
[13:38] spies8rondak: No.
[13:39] spies8mary: Who else was major on the Alexei case?
[13:39] spies8rondak: Owen was. As was Tina.
[13:40] spies8mary: How about Gabriel?
[13:40] spies8rondak: In the Alexei case?
[13:40] spies8mary: Yes.
[13:41] spies8rondak: I'm not sure of his contributions.
[13:41] spies8mary: The same about Dane and Hambone?
[13:41] spies8rondak: *nods*
[13:42] spies8mary: Who seemed to be the biggest follower on that wagon?
[13:42] spies8rondak: Probably myself.
[13:42] spies8mary: Ok.
[13:43] spies8rondak: I did not do much to help the case out, admittedly. I brought to light a curious incident between Alexei and I that rang as suspicious, but nobody really thought it was that incriminating.
[13:43] spies8mary: Do you know what made Tina switch votes towards the end?
[13:43] spies8rondak: No clue.
[13:44] spies8mary: Oh, did you post your interaction with Alexei anywhere? I would like to read it if it's brief.
[13:44] spies8rondak: Yes. One minute, lass.
[13:44] spies8rondak: It is in this thread: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=gop&action=display&thread=474
[13:46] spies8mary: spies8alexei (5:33:08 PM):I don't even know if I was on when the roles were given out. spies8rondak (5:33:47 PM):I'm certain I was. Everyone announced that they received their roles in the chat. spies8alexei (5:34:11 PM):ah spies8alexei (5:34:24 PM):I was there for allegiances, but I don't think for roles
[20:25] spies8rondak: Then, he appeard to backtrack. I asked him if roles and allegiances were the same.
[20:26] spies8rondak: spies8alexei (5:34:52 PM):not necessarily spies8alexei (5:35:02 PM):not in the mafias I usually play, anyway spies8alexei (5:35:12 PM):they might be in this, I'm not sure\ spies8rondak (5:35:41 PM):Well, roles must exist if Jenny's story is correct, right?
[13:46] spies8rondak: *nods*
[13:47] spies8rondak: They key line to that conversation that struck me odd was: spies8alexei (5:35:12 PM):they might be in this, I'm not sure\
[13:48] spies8rondak: Admittedly, everyone on the Republicans sort of dismissed it when I presented it to them (After Nita posted the Alexei case).
[13:48] spies8mary: I suppose I see a minor contradiction there from him.
[13:49] spies8rondak: *nods*
[13:49] spies8mary: Did anyone try to persuade you to vote anyone besides Alexei?
[13:49] spies8rondak: There were a few people voting Zedekiah at the time.
[13:49] spies8mary: Especially as Exile approached?
[13:49] spies8rondak: Jenny, here, was one of them. I'm unsure if she tried to convince me or not.
[13:50] spies8rondak: I don't recall much campaigning from her, really. Nor any noticable amount from anyone else.
[13:50] spies8mary: It looks like two votes could have changed the result. Only one if Alexei had switched.
[13:50] spies8rondak: *nods*
[13:50] spies8mary: Did you draw any conclusions from that vote?
[13:51] spies8rondak: That Alexei was a Spy, of course. Other then that, nothing too grand.
[13:52] spies8mary: I would consider that it might tell something about Allan and Stephanie.
[13:52] spies8rondak: How so?
[13:52] spies8mary: If they were Spies, what could they have done to change the result?
[13:52] spies8rondak: Voted Zedekiah?
[13:53] spies8mary: Yes. Unless he's a spy, and then it wouldn't matter as much.
[13:53] spies8rondak: *nods*
[13:53] spies8rondak: Jenny believed that he was a Spy, or the most suspicious, up until a little before the last exile.
[13:54] spies8mary: Did anyone ever bring that up in their defense?
[13:54] spies8rondak: Bring what up?
[13:54] spies8mary: That they could have possibly saved Alexei if they wanted to?
[13:54] spies8rondak: No.
[13:55] spies8rondak: Theoretically, anyone could have saved Alexei.
[13:55] spies8jenny: What was partially weird though was that neither Zeddy or Lexi voted for the other person.
[13:55] spies8mary: That is unusual. Did they explain their reasons?
[13:57] spies8rondak: Not that I recall.
[13:57] spies8rondak: But Jenny may be able to shed more light, because of her Zedekiah suspicions.
[13:59] spies8jenny: I don't remember why Lexi voted Dane, but Zeddy was accusing Al because Al wasn't on very often, and seemed to be lurking.
[14:00] spies8jenny: And not doing a lot of spy hunting.
[14:00] spies8jenny: Which Savanny said was a dumb reason, since she thought the same could be said for him.
[14:05] spies8mary: I've got to get to the cemetary before dark and it's a long walk.
[14:05] spies8mary: I'll be back later.
[14:05] spies8rondak: Farewell, lass.
[14:05] spies8mary: Nice to meet you.
[14:05] spies8rondak: You as well.
[14:06] spies8jenny: I have to head out for a while myself, but I'm going to leave AIM on so I can keep a log of the group chat for later.
[14:06] spies8jenny: I'll go ahead and post what we got so far.

[Mary]

[11:15] spies8mary: I don't like her one bit.
[11:16] Spies8Awohali: I am understanding why that is. She seems a bit... opinionated.
[11:17] Spies8Awohali: Your last chat message was a nice subtle snipe, though, and for that I applaud you. She acted similarly with me in IM's.
[11:17] spies8mary: We're supposed to be getting to know them.
[11:18] spies8mary: I think Zed is an excellent person to ask about because he is or has been a suspect of many.
[11:18] spies8mary: Did you think it was wrong of me to bring him up?
[11:19] Spies8Awohali: Agreed, and he is an interesting one to me as well, and it was not wrong at all.
[11:30] Spies8Awohali: We are not getting many answers on this subject...
[11:30] spies8mary: It didn't look like Allan was in danger and Jenny claimed for him.
[11:31] spies8mary: He told her about his role two days after the game began.
[11:31] spies8mary: He told Nita a week later.
[11:31] Spies8Awohali: That seems ridiculously early to roleclaim.
[11:33] spies8mary: He also says he believes there is a member of the "opposite team" with the same role he has.
[11:33] Spies8Awohali: That is quite interesting... His role is not similar to Claude's, is it?
[11:33] spies8mary: It doesn't sound like it.
[11:34] spies8mary: Are we close to having too many roles for them all to be Citizen yet?
[11:34] spies8mary: You're aware that Savannah claimed to have a role as well?
[11:34] spies8mary: The girl who was exiled?
[11:34] Spies8Awohali: I was not aware of this, either... Perhaps I should change my policy on reading public chat logs.
[11:34] spies8mary: You usually don't read them?
[11:35] Spies8Awohali: Not usually, I scan them, but honestly, I have limited time available online. I have always believed it to be better spent focusing on talking to people rather than reading logs that are filled with casual chatter.
[11:35] spies8mary: I agree.
[11:36] Spies8Awohali: I wish that more people would single out important portions and post them sperately. I try to do this whenever something of interest happens.
[11:36] spies8mary: I was fortunate to have a free hour this weekend to read Republican logs.
[11:36] spies8mary: Savannah claimed Messenger.
[11:37] Spies8Awohali: Did she have anyone to confirm that she had sent a message in the beginningof round 2?

[11:37] spies8mary: I don't know any details. The claim was briefly mentioned at Exile chat I believe.
[11:38] Spies8Awohali: That is something I will try to find more about soon. I am about to be leaving, so it will have to sit until tonight...
[11:38] spies8mary: That's too bad.
[11:39] Spies8Awohali: It really is, I would not be opposed to calling in sick, but I can not tell a lie.
[11:40] spies8mary: I noticed that when you got your answer from Magalie on the forums.
[11:40] spies8mary: You disguised your feelings but they still came through.
[11:41] Spies8Awohali: You must be referring to my... Lack of enthusiasm regarding Magalie's behavior?
[11:42] spies8mary: Yes. You stopped short of contempt.
[11:43] Spies8Awohali: I did try my best. I try to be as unbiased as I can be when it comes to making game decisions. I have already decided not to vote for her this round, so that I know I will be making a vote in the right mindset.
[11:44] spies8mary: I want to talk to her.
[11:44] Spies8Awohali: As do I, she is difficult to find.
[11:44] spies8mary: I think she can be questioned effectively but it will take the right touch.
[11:45] Spies8Awohali: Yes, and I will probably not be the one that needs to do it, although I will try if I need to.
[11:45] spies8mary: I will try.
[11:46] Spies8Awohali: I will greatly appreciate this. I must be going now, but I will return tonight.
[11:47] spies8mary: Take care.
[11:47] Spies8Awohali: You too, donadagovi, Mary.

[Mary]

[10:49] spies8jenny: Hi Mary.
[10:50] spies8mary: Hi.
[10:50] spies8jenny: How are you today?
[10:50] spies8mary: Ok.
[10:50] spies8mary: I had a sliced pear for breakfast.
[10:51] spies8jenny: That sounds good.
[11:09] spies8jenny: Ni-Ni's worry is that talking about who is likely to be citizens right before imprisonment will give the spies a list of people to choose from to eliminate.

[Mary]

[10:45] Spies8Awohali: Hello there, Mary.
[10:45] spies8mary: Osiyo.
[10:46] Spies8Awohali: Ah, you are learnnig the tongue of my people, my unali'i
[10:46] spies8mary: Are you Cherokee?
[10:46] Spies8Awohali: I am. But I do not sing the song about "Cherokee People".
[10:46] spies8mary: That's a joke.
[10:46] spies8mary: I almost laughed.
[10:47] Spies8Awohali: It is, and I will some day manage to get you to truly laugh!
[10:47] spies8mary: Maybe tonight. I'm starting to enjoy the big group meetings more.
[10:47] spies8mary: I didn't get to talk to you after the last exile.
[10:48] Spies8Awohali: Yes, the break was unfortunate, although I would not have been online those days, anyway
[10:48] spies8mary: Have you been able to talk with Magalie since then?
[10:48] spies8mary: Oh.
[10:48] spies8mary: You were away.
[10:48] Spies8Awohali: Unfortunately no, this is my first appearance since the break.
[10:48] spies8mary: Did you have a nice weekend?
[10:49] spies8jenny: has joined the chat
[10:49] Spies8Awohali: I did! I spent a great deal of the time sweating, but it was a good weekend, overall.
[10:49] Spies8Awohali: Osiyo, Jenny.
[10:49] spies8jenny: Hi there
[10:49] spies8mary: Hi.
[10:49] Spies8Awohali: It is nice to meet you officially.
[10:49] spies8mary: Were you in a sweat lodge, Awohali?
[10:49] spies8jenny: Haven't seen you since before teams were picked.
[10:50] spies8jenny: I miss anything?
[10:50] Spies8Awohali: I was no, thanbkfully, though it may as well have been that.
[10:51] Spies8Awohali: I was invited to a program known as "CrossFit Inception" by a friend. It was interesting...
[10:51] Spies8Awohali: I am not sure, Jenny, this is my first time online since the break.
[10:51] Spies8Awohali: Weekends are usually bad for me, time-wise.
[10:51] spies8mary: I think maybe if we get everyone into a sweat lodge one of these nights, the Spies may give in under the heat.
[10:51] spies8jenny: It looks like we have an activity tonight.
[10:52] Spies8Awohali: That is not such a bad idea, Mary. Perhaps I will secretly pack ice for the three of us so that we may not die in the process.
[10:52] spies8mary: Are the teams for the activity Democrat vs. Republican?
[10:52] spies8jenny: Yep.
[10:53] spies8mary: I think we can win.
[10:53] spies8mary: If everyone tries hard.
[10:53] spies8mary: We have a lot of smart people on this team.
[10:53] Spies8Awohali: I surely do hope so. I will not be online at 8:00, but I plan to be by 9:30 or 10
[10:54] spies8mary: Awohali, were you able to meet Nita yet?
[10:55] Spies8Awohali: I am speaking with her through the IM's at the moiment
[10:55] Spies8Awohali: We are discussing... You guessed it, Claude and Chance.
[10:57] spies8mary: I invited her to this group and she hasn't accepted it.
[10:57] Spies8Awohali: I will kindly remind her that we are all here.
[10:57] spies8jenny: I'll invite her!
[10:57] spies8nita: has joined the chat
[10:57] spies8mary: Hi.
[10:57] spies8jenny: Hi Ni-Ni!
[10:57] Spies8Awohali: Hello, Nita.
[10:58] spies8mary: Your name is a nice green.
[10:58] spies8mary: You got lucky.
[10:58] spies8jenny: Looks like the first part of the challenge tonight involves a picture of some kind if he's saying we need paint.
[10:58] Spies8Awohali: Painting is something I can handle; doing construction work for a few years eventually makes you a master artist with a roller.
[10:59] spies8nita: Gracias, I choose the color myself
[10:59] spies8jenny: I'll go ahead and get a photobucket account ready just in case.
[10:59] spies8mary: Jenny, have you read many of the old Democrat group chats?
[10:59] spies8jenny: Not yet Mary, I've been wanting to meet all the new people first before doing that. Is there anything in particular I should look at?
[11:00] spies8mary: Well, I'd say it's all important.
[11:00] spies8mary: That is why you're so diligent about posting group chats, right?
[11:01] spies8jenny: Yep.

Don't worry, I'll be sure to read all of them. I just didn't want to join the team and then not talk with anyone.
[11:01] spies8mary: I think Zed and Nita are probably Citizens.
[11:02] spies8nita: Por que?
[11:02] spies8nita: Why?
[11:02] spies8mary: Do you two agree?
[11:02] spies8nita: Y I no like that quesiton before imprisonment.
[11:03] spies8jenny: Nita I agree with, Zeddy I'm not as sure on.

Also, on my way home from work a few minutes ago (had to leave early because I'm apparently sick ) I was thinking about something. Themby keeps mistaking myself and Stephi-kins for the other. If one of them turns out to be a spy, I would think the other isn't likely to be one, because I would think Themby would remember who is on her own team and what they are doing.
[11:03] Spies8Awohali: Yes, it may not be good to discuss likely citizens at the moment, otherwise I would comment upon this.
[11:03] spies8mary: I don't understand.
[11:04] spies8jenny: Who is that directed at?
[11:04] spies8nita: If you no understand somethin obvious like that then there ain't no way my explainin it to you gonna do anything
[11:05] spies8hambone: has joined the chat
[11:05] Spies8Awohali: Greetings, Hambone.
[11:05] spies8nita: Hambone mi amor, I miss you
[11:05] spies8jenny: Hi there Hammy!
[11:05] spies8hambone: AWOHALLLLLLIIIIIII
[11:05] spies8mary: Hi.
[11:05] spies8hambone: finally get to meet the man himself
[11:05] spies8hambone: hello mary
[11:05] spies8hambone: nice to meet u 2
[11:05] spies8mary: I don't like the idea that we should stop discussing our opinions for days at a time.
[11:06] spies8hambone:
[11:06] spies8hambone: so
[11:06] Spies8Awohali: Indeed, Hambone, aarrrggg!
[11:06] Spies8Awohali: I do not think that we should cease to discuss our opinions, but it would be prudent to be a bit more careful of who we say is a Citizen right before the Imprisonment.
[11:08] spies8mary: What's different between today or yesterday or Thursday night?
[11:08] spies8nita: You ain't the smartest rat en the cage, I see that
[11:08] spies8nita: You do what you want Mary. But I ain't gonna answer questions that help the spies pick out targets
[11:09] Spies8Awohali: Mary is very bright, Nita. She has been one of the greatest contributors of our team so far.
[11:09] spies8mary: I imagine that you want me to only talk about perceived Spies then?
[11:09] Spies8Awohali: Her insightful questions that most of us would not have thought to ask have sparked many important discussions.
[11:10] spies8mary: We're not to talk about perceived Citizens?
[11:10] spies8mary: What if one or more of them are Spies?
[11:10] spies8nita: You do what you want. But you throw people under the bus, I gonna call you out
[11:10] spies8mary: What do you mean by that?
[11:13] spies8nita: Al mal tiempo, buena cara. Lord, I'm askin for patience
[11:13] spies8mary: It's not polite to say things like that and then not clarify what you mean.
[11:14] spies8nita: Then I rude. Now we agree y can talk bout somethin else.
[11:14] spies8mary: You remind me of Claude.
[11:14] Spies8Awohali: Who, between the two of you, Nita and Jenny, would you say is the most suspicious person coming over from your team, and why?
[11:15] spies8jenny: We had myself, Ni-Ni, Al, Hammy, and Rondie come over right?
[11:16] Spies8Awohali: I believe so, yes
[11:16] spies8nita: None of them be my top suspects right now
[11:16] spies8mary: If we ask you in exactly the right way, would you share your suspects with us?
[11:16] spies8jenny: Out of that, I know I'm a cit of course . Ni-Ni and Al I think are cits for now. And between Hammy and Rondie, I would pick Rondie just because he's only recently getting into game discussion.

A former republican wouldn't really be my first choice for a vote for the time being though.
[11:18] spies8nita: I know there suspicion on Jenny y I had some too
[11:18] spies8nita: Most of it be she ain't lookin for spies
[11:18] spies8nita: I agree with that
[11:18] spies8nita: She's sayin that ain't her style. She looks for people to trust first y then finds the spies from the people she don't
[11:18] spies8mary: I've seen you say that before.
[11:18] spies8nita: So like Rondak y Allan y Zedekiah I watchin to see what they do next. They know what wrong with their gameplay
[11:19] spies8nita: If they no change then they ain't doin their job as citizens. Y then no can use "I no know what people want" as an excuse
[11:19] spies8mary: Nita, what is your opinion of Zed?
[11:19] spies8nita: Then they just actin like spies instead of new players
[11:19] spies8nita: Zedekiah, I no suspect him. Alexei, he grill him real hard
[11:20] spies8nita: Over nothin
[11:20] spies8nita: Alexei first person to call it a case
[11:21] spies8mary: What do you think of Stephanie's and Allan's votes at Exile 1?
[11:21] spies8nita: Allan, he a real wildcard
[11:21] spies8nita: He loco y I no know what he doin
[11:22] spies8nita: Stephanie, she one my biggest suspects. I no trust her.
[11:22] spies8nita: First round she vote real dumb for Dane
[11:22] Spies8Awohali: I apologize, I am speaking with my father at the moment.
[11:22] spies8nita: Second round she make dumb accusations y then jump on Savannah
[11:23] spies8hambone: im kinda shocked that i havent been asked a single question :-(
[11:23] spies8mary: If she was a spy, wouldn't she have voted for Zed?
[11:23] spies8mary: Unless Zed is a spy?
[11:23] spies8hambone: i met cory chance and gerty last night and not one asked me a single question
[11:23] spies8nita: I ain't playin the game "what would a spy do?"
[11:23] spies8mary: Hambone, what were your reasons for voting Allan?
[11:24] Spies8Awohali: And I now return.
[11:24] spies8nita: Even more weird, why Alexei tell Tina he votin Stephanie y then he no do it? Why mention Stephanie at all?
[11:24] spies8mary: I think when people's votes directly or indirectly get a spy exiled, it's notable.
[11:24] spies8hambone: allan admitted he was a liar
[11:25] spies8mary: Both Allan's and Stephanie's votes indirectly got Alexei exiled.
[11:25] spies8hambone: i asked him about his vote... whether it was for Z or Alexei
[11:25] spies8hambone: and first he said he never read the case on alexei
[11:25] spies8hambone: then he admitted to me that he only skimmed it when i asked him about it
[11:25] Spies8Awohali: I agree that people's votes when a Spy is Exiled are very notable and worth examining.
[11:26] spies8hambone: and then later that night in the group chat he admitted that he never even read it at all
[11:26] spies8hambone: so he says he suspected alexei, then he lies to me, revealing he never even read the case
[11:26] spies8mary: It doesn't make sense that Alexei didn't vote for Zed.
[11:26] spies8hambone: then he leaves before the vote and votes for random Owen, which was a purely wasted vote
[11:27] spies8hambone: however, i was not online when he roleclaimed, so I was the only one who voted for him
[11:27] spies8nita: If you look at Alexei, nothin he do make sense cept tryin to put suspicion on Zedekiah
[11:27] spies8nita: that what I think.
[11:27] Spies8Awohali: Alexei seemed to hav egiven up, from what I could read.
[11:27] spies8jenny: Hammy came online at the buzzer for the deadline, and had enough time for me to go "Hammy, change your vote from Al, he's got a role!" before time was up.
[11:28] Spies8Awohali: Allan roleclaimed? This is news to me.
[11:28] spies8mary: Jenny did actually.
[11:28] spies8jenny: Well technically I had to claim his role for him.
[11:28] Spies8Awohali: I have not heard this... Would someone mind a summary?
[11:28] spies8jenny: He had claimed to me before, and wasn't online when exile was about to happen.
[11:28] spies8mary: Jenny, was he upset with you at all afterwards?
[11:28] spies8jenny: So an hour before exile happened, since it looked like he would be exiled otherwise, I told everyone online about Al claiming a role to me and Ni-Ni.
[11:29] spies8jenny: Nah, he said thanks for doing so since he realized he probably would have been exiled if that didn't happen.
[11:29] Spies8Awohali: Is there information of this role in the Burg? If so, I have missed it.
[11:29] spies8mary: Who switched their votes?
[11:29] spies8jenny: It should be in the end of the group chats for episode 2. Look at the time an hour before Exile.
[11:29] spies8hambone: [22:01] spies8jenny: Screw it, I don't have time to wait to see if Allan is coming on or not, we're going to be short on time as it is.
[22:01] spies8savannah: =O
[22:01] spies8jenny: Don't vote him, he claimed a role to me the other day. And since he's going to get lynched otherwise, there's no point not saying something.
[11:29] spies8hambone: Jenny this is what I wanted to ask you about
[11:29] spies8hambone: and since we're on the topic I'll just ask you in here
[11:30] spies8jenny: Okies.
[11:30] spies8hambone: i wasnt online at the time, so I dont know what 1 on 1 convos u were having
[11:30] spies8hambone: but i have looked at the group chat and the voting thread
[11:30] spies8hambone: the only votes on Allan were mine, danes, and thembas
[11:30] spies8hambone: even savannah posted saying she was not voting for allan
[11:30] spies8hambone: allan had roleclaimed to you and nita
[11:30] spies8hambone: nita is bff's with tina, so u can cross off tina voting for allan
[11:30] spies8hambone: and gabe had a huge case on savannah, which others like kiara and owen were agreeing to
[11:31] spies8hambone: so the time is 2 hours before the vote
[11:31] spies8hambone: and u roleclaim for allan
[11:31] spies8jenny: No, it was only one hour.
[11:31] spies8hambone: in the chat
[11:31] spies8hambone: it says 2
[11:31] spies8jenny: The time stamps are EST.
[11:31] spies8hambone: someone says about 2 hours til the vote
[11:31] spies8hambone: but ok
[11:31] spies8hambone: either way
[11:32] spies8hambone: so why did u roleclaim for him
[11:32] spies8hambone: i just talked to nita
[11:32] spies8hambone: sorry nita if u didnt want this said
[11:32] Spies8Awohali: If this portion of the chat could be posted for examining, I would greatly appreciate it.
[11:32] spies8hambone: but allan told nita NOT to give out his role
[11:32] spies8jenny: It is up.
[11:32] spies8hambone: did he say the same to u
[11:32] Spies8Awohali: Is it in the Republican forum?
[11:32] spies8jenny: Yep.
[11:32] spies8hambone: he did?
[11:32] spies8jenny: Group Chats - Episode 2.
[11:32] Spies8Awohali: I shall endeavor to check it out when I return tonight, then.
[11:32] spies8jenny: Look under the last few posts.
[11:32] spies8jenny: And to answer Hammy.
[11:34] spies8jenny: Yes he did request that when he claimed to me, but neither he nor Ni-Ni were on when it was approaching exile, and from my count of what people were saying about the vote, it looked like Al was the fore runner. It would have been silly for me to stay quiet about a potential town role being on the chopping block.
[11:34] spies8jenny: A few hours later when Al finally came back on, he saw what happened and said thanks for doing so, agreeing with what I did.
[11:34] spies8hambone: really wow
[11:35] spies8hambone: cuz im looking at the votes now
[11:35] spies8hambone: he wasnt the forerunner, savannah was
[11:35] spies8nita: When he say this? I ain't seen him.
[11:35] spies8jenny: It was about 1:30 am my time.
[11:35] spies8nita: Y wasn't it break right after exile?
[11:35] spies8nita: Oh you still talkin at that time?
[11:35] spies8hambone: right before the roleclaim the votes were.... 3 for allan - me dane and themba
[11:35] spies8jenny: We were allowed to talk to each other for the rest of the night.
[11:36] spies8hambone: 4 for savannah - gabe tina steph and owen
[11:36] spies8jenny: Hold on, doorbell over here.
[11:36] spies8hambone: one for themba - Z
[11:36] spies8hambone: one for steph - savannah (so she didnt vote allan even though she was on the chopping block)
[11:36] spies8hambone: and the only people not to vote were Nita/Jenny, Rondak, Kiara, and Allan himself
[11:36] spies8jenny: Just some guy giving out flyers, I'm back.
[11:36] spies8hambone: right there that's THREE guaranteed votes who wont vote for allan
[11:37] spies8hambone: allan himself, and the 2 ppl he roleclaimed to
[11:37] spies8hambone: you Jenny, and Nita
[11:37] spies8hambone: so unless ppl switched votes, he was definitely safe
[11:37] spies8hambone: by at least 3 votes
[11:37] Spies8Awohali: That sounds quite curious.
[11:40] spies8nita: Jenny where you go?
[11:40] spies8jenny: I'm here, just looking up the chat log from that night. Maybe I miscounted at the time, but I'm sure at the time it seemed like Al was ahead in the votes.
[11:41] spies8hambone: he wasnt, but, u mightve thought he was
[11:41] spies8mary: Normally, it's good policy to get all the details about a claimed role out.
[11:41] spies8hambone: either way giving out his role i dont think was a good idea
[11:41] spies8mary: If the roleclaim saved someone from exile.
[11:41] spies8hambone: yeah but if he wasnt going
[11:41] spies8mary: But in this case I don't think that policy applies.
[11:41] spies8hambone: theres no need
[11:41] spies8hambone: yea
[11:42] spies8hambone: if he had the votes though
[11:42] spies8mary: Unless there's a troubling sign in the roleclaim.
[11:42] spies8hambone: then u definitely gotta roleclaim
[11:42] Spies8Awohali: It would be prudent, then, for Jenny to explain who exactly she thought was voting Allan, so that we may ascertain the threat from her point of view
[11:42] spies8mary: Nita and Jenny, is there anything contradictory or questionable about Allan's roleclaim?
[11:43] spies8nita: No that I see. It be his behavior that questionable
[11:43] spies8nita: He say to me if he no know his alignment he would suspect hisself
[11:43] spies8mary: Did his talk about an equivalent role on the "other team" sound unusual at all?
[11:44] spies8nita: No. I no have no idea how roles in this game go. He say it sound like there could be, I say okay
[11:44] spies8jenny: I would have likd more information on that myself, but I can't exactly ask to see what the specifics of the role say.
[11:45] spies8mary: If he were a Spy and knew a Cit had the same role, he would have to be prepared for a counterclaim.
[11:46] spies8nita: Si, I guess so. But as far as I know no one say "He lyin, that be my role"
[11:46] spies8hambone: i still need to talk to him 1 on 1
[11:46] spies8hambone: about his role
[11:46] spies8hambone: id like to hear it in his own words what it is
[11:46] spies8nita: I ain't usin no role claim to decide if a person is a citizen or spy
[11:46] spies8mary: I'm not sure he should be asked about his role.
[11:46] spies8hambone: he already explained it
[11:47] spies8hambone: sort of
[11:47] spies8mary: Considering he didn't claim it publicly.
[11:47] spies8nita: I'm agreein with Mary on this one
[11:47] spies8nita: Ain't no reason for us to need to know more. Only help the spies as they figure out what to do with him, if he ain't one
[11:47] Spies8Awohali: I must run, everyone. Enjoy your discussions, I shall return tonight!
[11:47] spies8mary: Right.
[11:47] spies8hambone: later A
[11:47] spies8mary: Bye Eagle.
[11:47] spies8jenny: See you soon Hali!
[11:47] spies8nita: Adios Awohali
[11:47] Spies8Awohali: Farewell!
[11:48] spies8hambone: how many ppl have outed their roles so far
[11:48] spies8mary: Too many.
[11:48] Spies8Awohali: has left the chat
[11:48] spies8jenny: I count two.
[11:48] spies8jenny: Claude, and Al. Unless I missed one?
[11:49] spies8nita: Savannah
[11:49] spies8hambone: oh yeah
[11:49] spies8jenny: And Savanny, but she claimed after she was already about to die.
[11:49] spies8nita: I be back in a little
[11:50] spies8mary: Hambone, what do you know about the old Democrats?
[11:51] spies8mary: Did you follow our exiles at all?
[11:52] spies8hambone: nope
[11:52] spies8hambone: all i know about u guys
[11:52] spies8hambone: is what cory, claude, and gertrude told me last night
[11:52] spies8mary: What did they tell you?
[11:52] spies8hambone: what i got out of it:
[11:52] spies8hambone: Chance and Claude have issues.
[11:53] spies8hambone: Both suspected Cory for a while, together, and then magically they both turned on each other.
[11:53] spies8hambone: From the looks of it, one of them could easily be a spy
[11:53] spies8hambone: or
[11:53] spies8hambone: we could be dealing with 2 dumb citizens who have beef for one another
[11:53] spies8hambone: claude's role could definitely be a spies role
[11:53] spies8hambone: but going after him like that
[11:53] spies8mary: Do you understand what the roots of their conflict were?
[11:53] spies8hambone: would be very dumb
[11:53] spies8hambone: no i dont
[11:53] spies8hambone: can u explain
[11:54] spies8mary: Did they explain last night?
[11:54] spies8mary: Or Gertrude?
[11:54] spies8hambone: it is because...
[11:54] spies8hambone: Claude told me that
[11:54] spies8hambone: Chance thinks Claude's role is a spies
[11:54] spies8hambone: and then Chance apparently never words stuff correctly, and the fact that hes going after Claude himself, makes Claude want him out
[11:55] spies8hambone: thats all i got out of it
[11:55] spies8mary: Yes.
[11:55] spies8hambone: when i asked claude to explain to me
[11:55] spies8mary: Chance is absolutely wrong about Claude's role.
[11:55] spies8hambone: why he suspects chance, in his own words
[11:55] spies8mary: It is possible Claude is lying about his role.
[11:55] spies8hambone: claude said he didnt wanna
[11:55] spies8hambone: and he told me to just go read the threads
[11:56] spies8mary: Well, they have been yelled at for talking it to death.
[11:56] spies8hambone: cuz i think he was making a case on gerty and was occupied or somethin
[11:56] spies8mary: There were days when nothing else was talked about.
[11:56] spies8mary: Did Gertrude take a side?
[11:56] spies8hambone: she said the same thing i did
[11:56] spies8hambone: that one of them could definitely be a spy
[11:56] spies8hambone: but going after claude and then finding out he WAS a cit
[11:56] spies8hambone: would be awful
[11:57] spies8mary: Did she try to influence your view in either direction?
[11:57] spies8hambone: and at teh same time, if he is a spy, his role could kill us in the end
[11:57] spies8hambone: ummm, id have to look, but i dont think so?
[11:57] spies8mary: Ok.
[12:00] spies8mary: Do you recall why Themba voted for Zed?
[12:01] spies8mary: You seemed bothered by her switch.
[12:01] spies8nita: I'm agreein with Mary again
[12:01] spies8mary: About what? Claude?
[12:02] spies8nita: Claude, es posible que Claude no even have the role - borrowin it from another spy if he is one
[12:02] spies8nita: Or he could still be a spy with it
[12:02] spies8mary: If he's a spy with it, he has to be lying about some of the details.
[12:03] spies8mary: Because as he's described it, I think it's overpowered for Spies.
[12:03] spies8hambone: he can force votes only for certain ppl
[12:03] spies8hambone: and null votes
[12:03] spies8hambone: right
[12:03] spies8hambone: thats what he told me last night
[12:03] spies8mary: Something like that.
[12:04] spies8nita: I no think it too powerful, he only affect 1 person each round, si?
[12:04] spies8mary: He can prove some aspects of what he's described.
[12:04] spies8nita: But he can't prove has it
[12:04] spies8hambone: its either a good spy or a good self role
[12:04] spies8mary: Nita, you'll have to consider the implications for endgame.
[12:04] spies8hambone: i dont rly think it benefits the town
[12:04] spies8hambone: it more so benefits himself
[12:04] spies8nita: Si, which is why you gotta look at him on his own. He suspicious o no? Role ain't matterin
[12:04] spies8hambone: which is why chance could be right that his role is spy
[12:05] spies8hambone: role does matter nita
[12:05] spies8mary: Basically.
[12:05] spies8nita: I no think so
[12:05] spies8mary: Because he could be lying about it.
[12:05] spies8nita: I think how he claim es importante
[12:05] spies8hambone: if role doesnt matter
[12:05] spies8hambone: then why u stop going after allan
[12:05] spies8mary: He claimed unnecessarily.
[12:05] spies8nita: I no stop
[12:05] spies8mary: Casually.
[12:05] spies8hambone: when he roleclaimed to u tho
[12:05] spies8hambone: it matters
[12:05] spies8nita: I say same thing botu Allan that I say bout Zedekiah, Rondak, Jenny y Allan
[12:05] spies8nita: I say Allan twice
[12:06] spies8nita: I say bout all 4 of them, I talk to them bout how they playin the game. If they no change y be helpful after knowin what it is they doin wrong, then they probably spies
[12:06] spies8mary: I don't think so.
[12:06] spies8nita: Zedekiah, he step up immediately
[12:06] spies8mary: Because you'll have to add Magalie.
[12:06] spies8mary: And Margot.
[12:07] spies8nita: Margot ain't here. But anyone talk to Margot or just lynch her?
[12:07] spies8mary: It's unlikely that all bad players are spies.
[12:07] spies8mary: She was there for the last afternoon of Exile.
[12:07] spies8nita: I'm tryin to help everyone so we don't got no bad players
[12:07] spies8nita: Hambone y I talk bout this a little too
[12:08] spies8nita: Magalie, she another story because she seem to be delighted bout not doin nothin
[12:08] spies8mary: Our top two candidates were both "bad players".
[12:08] spies8mary: Margot and Magalie.
[12:08] spies8nita: The ones I list, they really seem interested in doin better
[12:09] spies8nita: Magalie, she just post "I'm partyin" y leave
[12:09] spies8mary: We haven't seen that from Magalie yet.
[12:09] spies8nita: Si
[12:09] spies8nita: Which is why ella es a different story
[12:09] spies8nita: I'm sayin I agree with you, she real suspicious
[12:10] spies8mary: There was not much resistance to the Margot wagon until very late.
[12:10] spies8mary: And then a few people may have peeled off.
[12:10] spies8nita: Why should there be? Spies fine with lynchin her, citizens no know what she is
[12:11] spies8mary: Right, we discussed that if she was a Spy there might be more resistance.
[12:11] spies8nita: Si, that one reason why I think it okay to exile Alexei. Seein plenty resistance
[12:12] spies8mary: Who resisted?
[12:12] spies8hambone: he did
[12:12] spies8hambone: and im back
[12:12] spies8hambone: obvs
[12:12] spies8nita: Stephanie. Savannah (triste). Jenny.
[12:12] spies8hambone: yea
[12:12] spies8hambone: steph voted with him
[12:12] spies8nita: There anybody else?
[12:13] spies8nita: Themba, she say no at first
[12:13] spies8hambone: u might as well throw Z in there
[12:13] spies8nita: Then talk to him y say si
[12:13] spies8hambone: since Z didnt vote for alexei
[12:13] spies8nita: I no know what Zedekiah think. I no get the chance to talk to him bout Alexei
[12:13] spies8hambone: it wasnt until after the vote that Z goes "see i knew he was a spy" lol
[12:13] spies8jenny: He did that a day afterwards.
[12:14] spies8jenny: It was really weird. The next afternoon after the exile, Zeddy comes out with all these reasons that Lexi is suspicious.
[12:14] spies8mary: Were Stephanie and Alexei there in the hours approaching exile?
[12:14] spies8jenny: And the rest of us kind of stared at him like he was an idiot.
[12:14] spies8jenny: Lexi I don't think was.
[12:14] spies8jenny: He came on after exile ended though, when he shouldn't have, to say goodbye or something. Which was awkward.
[12:15] spies8mary: Two votes would have possibly shifted the result.
[12:15] spies8mary: Was anyone tracking votes carefully?
[12:16] spies8nita: No one know what Kiara y Allan doin
[12:16] spies8nita: No one know what Alexei doin
[12:16] spies8nita: The rest everyone knew I think
[12:16] spies8mary: Ok.
[12:16] spies8nita: Themba y tina switchin were surprises
[12:16] spies8nita: Last minute things
[12:17] spies8nita: Mary you still suspectin Magalie?
[12:17] spies8nita: I ain't seen you post much on nobody. Just that post bout Claude
[12:18] spies8mary: Yes.
[12:18] spies8mary: I need to talk with her.
[12:19] spies8hambone: alright yall
[12:19] spies8hambone: i gotta go
[12:19] spies8hambone: ill be on tonight
[12:19] spies8hambone: bye
[12:19] spies8mary: She has basically admitted outright lying about her suspicions.
[12:19] spies8mary: Bye.
[12:19] spies8jenny: See you soon Hammy!
[12:19] spies8nita: Why you never post who you votin for?
[12:20] spies8nita: For someone askin questions bout trackin the votes, why you never post so people track yours?
[12:20] spies8mary: I was online all afternoon chatting.
[12:20] spies8mary: I believe my team knew where I stood.
[12:21] spies8nita: Half the people in the game never talk to you that round
[12:21] spies8nita: How we supposed to know where you stand?
[12:21] spies8mary: Ask me?
[12:21] spies8gertrude: has joined the chat
[12:21] spies8mary: Hi.
[12:21] spies8nita: How? Thre 8 republicans who ain't allowed to talk to you
[12:22] spies8hambone: ok bye
[12:22] spies8nita: how they gonna be able to track what you do?
[12:22] spies8hambone: has left the chat
[12:22] spies8gertrude: Ha, beat you to it, Jenny!
[12:22] spies8gertrude: Hello there, everyone!
[12:22] spies8nita: Hola Gertrude
[12:22] spies8gertrude: What's up?
[12:23] spies8nita: Askin Mary bout her postin
[12:23] spies8nita: Or lack of it
[12:23] spies8gertrude: Ah, I see.
[12:23] spies8mary: I like talking with people live.
[12:23] spies8jenny: Hi there Gerty!
[12:23] spies8mary: I think it's more effective.
[12:23] spies8gertrude: Hey Jenny!
[12:25] spies8gertrude: If it means anything, Mary really is quite effective at addressing things with people on AIM.
[12:28] spies8democrats: You have been disconnected from chat room !aol://2719:10-4-spies8democrats.

[Mary]

[12:25] spies8nita: Switchin to private so it's easier to see you respond
[12:25] spies8nita: You post just 2 posts I think are noteworthy
[12:25] spies8mary: Ok.
[12:25] spies8nita: 1 you answer questions by chance y say you watchin him
[12:25] spies8nita: 2 you goin after Chance
[12:26] spies8nita: You vote him exile 1
[12:26] spies8nita: He immune exile 2
[12:26] spies8nita: If he no immune exile 2, you vote for him?
[12:26] spies8mary: Probably, yes.
[12:26] spies8nita: Por que? Why?
[12:27] spies8mary: After I first met Chance, he relayed several of my actions to the group.
[12:28] spies8mary: It very much looked like he did so in a manner and in a tone designed to cast maximum suspicion upon my actions.
[12:28] spies8mary: And he did so inaccurately.
[12:28] spies8mary: And when I confronted him in chat about it, he continued to misconstrue.
[12:29] spies8mary: Are you still there? I was disconnected from the group chat.
[12:29] spies8nita: Si, I disconnected too
[12:29] spies8nita: I see he attributin things to you
[12:29] spies8nita: A lot of things
[12:29] spies8nita: You sayin they all inaccurate?
[12:29] spies8mary: I also believe Chance locked on to Claude in a manner that doesn't make consistent sense.
[12:30] spies8mary: I would have to look at them on a one-by-one basis, but yes, many of his statements were blatantly inaccurate.
[12:31] spies8mary: And as I was "Scary Mary" and perceived as vulnerable on day one, I felt his actions were a Spyish attempt to manufacture a wagon.
[12:31] spies8nita: Who say Cory pushin you for information without offerin any?
[12:31] spies8nita: You say that or Chance say you say that?
[12:31] spies8mary: Chance said that, and then Broderick and Claude repeated it.
[12:31] spies8mary: When I called Chance on it, he said
[12:32] spies8mary: "You said he ignored you"
[12:32] spies8nita: Si, who say that?
[12:32] spies8mary: When actually what I said specifically was that Cory ignored an invite to group chat.
[12:32] spies8mary: And then I corrected 15 seconds later and said "Cory wants an invite now."
[12:32] spies8mary: So I think that's willing misrepresentation by Chance.
[12:32] spies8nita: Who the first person to say "Cory es a spy"?
[12:32] spies8mary: Hmm.
[12:33] spies8mary: Probably Claude.
[12:33] spies8mary: He said it flat out.
[12:33] spies8mary: Then he said the same thing later about Camilla.
[12:33] spies8mary: And now also about Chance.
[12:33] spies8nita: Si, he all over the place
[12:34] spies8nita: So you no think Cory pushy?
[12:34] spies8mary: Not really. He focuses on one target at a time for the most part.
[12:34] spies8mary: No, I never said that.
[12:34] spies8mary: Cory was rude to me when we first met.
[12:34] spies8nita: You no think he is or you no say he is?
[12:34] spies8mary: No, he's not at all pushy.
[12:34] spies8mary: Our first talk was good other than his namecalling.
[12:35] spies8mary: Which I think was roleplaying.
[12:36] spies8nita: So you no think he bein pushy when he call you Bloody mary?
[12:37] spies8mary: To me, pushy means something different.
[12:37] spies8mary: Calling me names is just namecalling, there's nothing particularly pushy about it.
[12:38] spies8mary: Does that make sense?
[12:39] spies8mary: Chance and to a lesser extent others used my words incorrectly to imply that Cory pushed for information and didn't give any out.
[12:39] spies8nita: You say your first conversation, he rude y brash
[12:39] spies8mary: Yes, but I also said we exchanged decent information.
[12:39] spies8mary: Rude and brash is not particularly indicative of alignment.
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[12:40] spies8mary: One moment, I'll do that.

[Mary]

[11:06] spies8hambone: yo
[11:06] spies8mary: Hi.
[11:06] spies8hambone: did i just fuck up
[11:06] spies8mary: It's nice to meet you.
[11:06] spies8hambone: ok
[11:07] spies8mary: I am meeting Nita right now as well. If you're still around I would like to talk with you afterwards.
[11:07] spies8hambone: ok
[11:07] spies8hambone: sounds good
[11:15] spies8hambone: case on jenny coming soon
[11:32] spies8hambone: ;-)
[11:40] spies8mary: Good case.

[Mary]

[12:48] spies8Nita: What you think of Cinnamyn?
[12:52] spies8mary: Sorry, I had to get the door.
[12:53] spies8mary: Cinnamyn has said a few things that make sense to me from a Citizen perspective.
[12:54] spies8Nita: Esta bien, no hurry
[12:54] spies8mary: Her votes on Margot were early and for decent reasons, but she has flip-flopped on Claude in my opinion.
[12:55] spies8Nita: Yesterday she say no vote him
[12:55] spies8Nita: She say vote him before?
[12:56] spies8mary: Sorry, I meant to say Chance.
[12:57] spies8mary: She seemed to agree that he was sketchy, but more recently she seems to have dropped it or at least minimized it.
[12:58] spies8Nita: So you think she a citizen?
[12:58] spies8Nita: You no see her do nothin suspicious?
[12:59] spies8mary: I disagree with her interpretation of Lilith. I'm not sure I see it.
[12:59] spies8Nita: What she say bout Lilith?
[13:00] spies8mary: When Lilith came bombing into the room, I read her behavior as fairly Citizenish.
[13:00] spies8mary: She seemed well informed and gave a few opinions that sounded like Citizen-thought.
[13:01] spies8mary: Cinnamyn didn't pick up on that and focused on some wording issues that seemed relatively irrelevant.
[13:02] spies8Nita: Bout what? I no see this
[13:02] spies8Nita: O no remember it
[13:02] spies8mary: About Lilith?
[13:03] spies8mary: Let me go look.
[13:05] spies8mary: "u say dat u aint assumin' nuttin, n' dat u aint rulin' out possibilitiez, but den say dat chance is eitha bein saved o' framed. dis iz a direct contradicshin."
[13:07] spies8mary: "mary asked sum logical queschinz n' lilith losez it."
[13:07] spies8mary: That post.
[13:08] spies8mary: Lilith arrived for the first time and was rude and fairly aggressive.
[13:08] spies8mary: But her aggression seemed more like personality/character than indicative of alignment.
[13:09] spies8mary: And for the most part she seemed to have carefully considered the implications of things like the Chance save.
[13:09] spies8mary: I don't think Cinnamyn's analysis accuretely reflected that.
[13:19] spies8Nita: I remember the first part, si

[Mary]

[22:51] spies8mary: Hi.
[22:52] spies8cory: Hi
[22:52] spies8cory: Blo... I mean
[22:52] spies8cory: Mary!
[22:52] spies8mary: You're quiet lately.
[22:52] spies8cory: Eh, been a bit ill lately
[22:52] spies8cory: Yesterday especially
[22:53] spies8cory: But let's chat.
[22:53] spies8cory: What do you think of the Chance/Claude thing?
[22:53] spies8mary: I think Chance is the bad guy.
[22:53] spies8cory: Nita brought up a good observation earlier
[22:53] spies8cory: so do I
[22:53] spies8mary: Ok.
[22:53] spies8cory: However, Nita brought up something against Claude that I hadn't considered
[22:54] spies8cory: Mainly I kept being hesitant about thinking he was a Spy because of how much he put himself out there needlessly
[22:54] spies8cory: But what if he's done it anticipating being saved by his role?
[22:54] spies8cory: Consider the Camilla thing
[22:54] spies8cory: He knew he had a role claim to get himself off the hook
[22:54] spies8cory: After "staking his life" on it
[22:55] spies8mary: So his goal is to suicide and take out two Citizens?
[22:55] spies8cory: Not quite
[22:55] spies8cory: It just means that his actions wouldn't be completely unexplainable as a Spy
[22:56] spies8cory: Before I was pretty adamant that Claude as a spy made no sense
[22:56] spies8cory: I'm rethinking that
[22:56] spies8cory: I definitely think Claude and Chance as partners is out of the question
[22:56] spies8mary: I still think his role and roleclaim don't make much sense as a Spy.
[22:57] spies8cory: What about the claim?
[22:57] spies8cory: Seemed kind of needlessly done
[22:57] spies8mary: Awohali says Claude prevented Chance from voting Claude or Jasmine today.
[22:57] spies8cory: The role itself, though, I'm not sure.
[22:58] spies8cory: Why Jasmine?
[22:58] spies8cory: She's not on this team.
[22:58] spies8mary: Right.
[22:58] spies8mary: Why would he forget something as simple as that if he really cared about the votes?
[22:59] spies8cory: Did he explain why?
[22:59] spies8cory: Did he say it was a mistake?
[23:00] spies8mary: spies8claude (1:57:54 AM): fuck me for forgetting that one
[23:01] spies8cory: Lol.
[23:01] spies8mary: Have I talked with you before about how Claude's role would be overpowered as a Spy?
[23:01] spies8cory: I don't think we have.
[23:02] spies8mary: I think he could force Citizens to vote for Citizens near the end of the game.
[23:02] spies8cory: I guess it depends on whether or not there's a limitation
[23:02] spies8mary: Right.
[23:02] spies8mary: He says there isn't.
[23:03] spies8cory: It's possible he's lying
[23:03] spies8mary: Right.
[23:03] spies8cory: But I see your point
[23:03] spies8mary: Also, if a Spy has that role it loses a lot of its power once he claims.
[23:03] spies8mary: I think.
[23:04] spies8cory: What makes you think that?
[23:05] spies8mary: A Spy would want to use it to force votes without getting caught.
[23:05] spies8mary: Claude can't do that.

[Mary]

[22:26] spies8mary: Are you there?
[22:26] Spies8Awohali: I am indeed, I was catching up momentarily with IRL happenings, but I am here now.
[22:27] spies8mary: I am very tired. What a long day.
[22:27] spies8mary: How are you?
[22:27] Spies8Awohali: Similar to you; tired! Challenges are always a bit stressful
[22:27] spies8mary: I'm glad to be alive but I feel bad for Gabriel.
[22:28] Spies8Awohali: As do I... It is a shame to see him go, but at the same time, better him than ourselves, right?
[22:28] spies8mary: Yeah.
[22:29] spies8mary: I would like to avenge him. Our team has been wrong twice and I would like us to get a Spy.
[22:29] spies8mary: But we may not even get the chance.
[22:29] Spies8Awohali: I think that we stand a good chance this episode, if, as you mention, we are allowed to.
[22:29] Spies8Awohali: Have you spoken with all of the newcomers by now?
[22:30] spies8mary: A little. Allan, Nita, Jenny, Hambone, who is the fifth?
[22:30] Spies8Awohali: Rondak?
[22:31] spies8mary: Oh yeah I talked to him a bit yesterday.
[22:31] Spies8Awohali: I have not yet spoken with him formally, though he seems interesting. I m most interested in Jenny at the moment, for her actions last episode.
[22:31] spies8mary: Her claim for Allan?
[22:32] Spies8Awohali: Precisely... She has admitted that she was msitaken regarding the danger he was in, and that she did not even confirm the votes for him/Savannah, but isntead took Savannah's word for it.
[22:32] spies8mary: He doesn't seem to mind but it was weird.
[22:33] spies8mary: He seems like a new player.
[22:33] spies8mary: I would be surprised if a new spy gave up their role that easily but I really can't say for sure.
[22:33] Spies8Awohali: I have not yet had the pleasure of speaking with him on AIM, but I trust your judgment. And yes, I would doubt this too, although it is possible.
[22:34] spies8mary: Like Claude, his claim endangered the doctor unless he is a Spy.
[22:34] spies8mary: But I guess not everyone is logical nor thinks things through.
[22:34] spies8mary: If Jenny was a spy, wouldn't Allan possibly have been Imprisoned?
[22:34] Spies8Awohali: Yes... Even those who claim to be nothing but logic.
[22:34] spies8mary: Or maybe he was and that was the save.
[22:35] Spies8Awohali: And for this question, Hambone had an interesting idea
[22:35] Spies8Awohali: Nita and Jenny were the only ones that knew prior to the roleclaim... Jenny announcing it could have been away to widen the possibilities of who would have killed him.
[22:35] spies8mary: Right.
[22:35] Spies8Awohali: Otherwise, Nita could have blown the whistle on her.
[22:36] spies8mary: But public also means doctor knows.
[22:36] Spies8Awohali: Unfortunately, the hole I see there is that neither Nita nor Allan died tonight.
[22:36] Spies8Awohali: Right, and that might be why it wasn't tonight, in anticipation that the Doctor would save him.
[22:36] Spies8Awohali: If Allan were to go next Imprisonment, I would be extremely suspicious of Jenny.
[22:37] spies8mary: Cinnamyn changed her mind on Chance over the past few days. How do you feel about Chance?
[22:37] Spies8Awohali: I have actually not seen him hardly at all, since his vote was taken away... I am still wary of him, but more suspicious of Claude. Chance is certainly not off of my hook, though.
[22:37] spies8mary: Ok.
[22:38] spies8mary: And Magalie continues to disappoint.
[22:38] Spies8Awohali: Of course...
[22:38] Spies8Awohali: I hope that she can turn it around, I truly do
[22:38] spies8mary: I think that's asking too much.
[22:38] spies8mary: Someone said today that she just blatantly copied someone else's suspicion.
[22:39] spies8mary: On Stephanie, I think.
[22:39] spies8mary: Magalie's never met Stephanie. They've been on opposite teams the entire time.
[22:40] Meebo Message: Could not IM buddy
[22:40] Spies8Awohali: I remember seeing that... It is something that I can not honestly see a Spy doing. It seems to blatantly reckless and disinterested
[22:40] Spies8Awohali: It is Stephanie? I may need to revisit this news....
[22:40] Spies8Awohali: Maybe it is not as innocent as I first imagined.
[22:41] spies8mary: spies8mary: On Stephanie, I think.
spies8mary: Magalie's never met Stephanie. They've been on opposite teams the entire time.
[22:41] spies8mary: Sorry, I was disconnected.
[22:42] Spies8Awohali: That is quite all right.
[22:42] Spies8Awohali: That is an interesting situation...
[22:43] Spies8Awohali: Would an inactive Spy be reckless enough to copy another Citizen's suspiciouns, having never met her? Or a fellow Spy's, for that matter?
[22:43] spies8mary: You would think not.
[22:44] spies8mary: I think Nita is probably ok.
[22:44] spies8mary: If she is a Spy she is coming up with a lot of decent looking evidence.
[22:45] spies8mary: And should be kept around.
[22:45] Spies8Awohali: Yes, I agree, although she is a bit brusque, she seems to be of good intentions so far.
[22:45] Spies8Awohali: I am a fan of Hambone so far, as well.
[22:46] spies8mary: I haven't learned much about him.
[22:46] Spies8Awohali: I was able to talk to him tonight and also this afternoon; he seems to be pretty insightful so far, so you and he would get along well
[22:47] spies8mary: I don't know what to make of Rondak.
[22:47] spies8mary: He feels like he is hiding something, but it could just be his roleplay.
[22:48] spies8mary: He doesn't seem to be forthcoming unless pressed for information.
[22:48] Spies8Awohali: That could prove to be unfortunate. I would like to speak with him to see how bad it is.
[22:49] Spies8Awohali: Some people may be less voluntary with information, but Spies have more to gain from it.
[22:49] spies8mary: Nita seemed to find Claude, Cory and Cinnamyn most suspicious, I believe.
[22:50] spies8mary: And Magalie.
[22:50] Spies8Awohali: Her post did seem to indicate that, although there were so many "same as this other person" listings that I was somewhat disappointed.
[22:50] spies8mary: Cory seems to have gotten very quiet and somewhat vague lately.
[22:51] Spies8Awohali: Yes... I expected that it would only be an Episode 2 thing, but it has lasted today, as well.
[22:52] spies8mary: Have you seen Claude express another suspicion today?
[22:52] spies8mary: Or is he waiting for Chance?
[22:52] Spies8Awohali: I have not... He, in his own words, has stated that we have no choice but to Ecile him or Chance...
[22:52] spies8mary: Yes. I don't like that at all.
[22:53] Spies8Awohali: Me neither. I was going to vote for him, but I am actually planning to not do that now because of that statement, even though that seems counterintuitive.
[22:53] spies8mary: I think he is embracing his character and using it to accomplish goals. Or else he's delusional.
[22:53] Spies8Awohali: I think it is a mixture of both... I am still waiting for night actions to be posted so that we can know who he used his role on last night.
[22:53] Spies8Awohali: Actually... Why wait? I will ask him now.
[22:54] spies8mary: Good point.
[22:54] Spies8Awohali: I am not sure why I did not think to ask him myself until now...
[22:56] Spies8Awohali:
spies8claude (1:55:56 AM): Obviously I'm not concerned with keeping it a secret.

spies8claude (1:56:07 AM): I used my Veto ability on Chance, to prevent him from voting myself or Jasmine.
[22:56] spies8mary: Jasmine is on the other team.
[22:57] Spies8Awohali: Not really any surprises here. And yes, I am awaiting an answer on that
[22:57] Spies8Awohali:
spies8claude (1:57:48 AM): ...

spies8claude (1:57:54 AM): fuck me for forgetting that one
[22:58] spies8mary: Suspect.
[22:58] Spies8Awohali: For someon that talks of being so calculated and careful, yes.

[Mary]

[21:15] spies8mary: Oh well.
[21:15] Spies8Awohali: Indeed... She does not seem to be a big fan of not getting her way.
[21:16] spies8mary: I'm usually not one to say there are black and white right and wrongs.
[21:16] spies8mary: But this one seems pretty clear to me.
[21:18] Spies8Awohali: Indeed, I considered it briefly...
[21:18] Spies8Awohali: But I can not and will not do it.
[21:22] spies8mary: What is her core fear here?
[21:22] spies8mary: We need to address it effectively.
[21:23] Spies8Awohali: I am trying to understand it... Her argument is that people will be forced to choose between someone they have met, and someone they have not yet met. And that it is not fair to make them consider voting someone they have not yet met.
[21:24] Spies8Awohali: And at the same time, our nominee will not be able to defend themselves to the other team. These are valid points, but I do not think that they overrule the need for a vote.
[21:24] spies8mary: At least five people will know the candidate pretty well.
[21:24] spies8mary: Those five alone voting would be good information.
[21:24] Spies8Awohali: Exactly.
[21:24] spies8mary: Add in the others and you just get bonus information based on who they follow.
[21:25] spies8mary: One follows Jasmine's bad argument, one follows Broderick's good argument.
[21:25] Spies8Awohali: I can not understand how getting information from 0 people is better than getting information from our entire team and 5 or 7 from the other team.
[21:25] spies8mary: She's afraid.
[21:26] spies8mary: I'm trying to figure out why.
[21:26] spies8mary: Our nominee can defend themselves, just not in chat.
[21:26] Spies8Awohali: She had a similar episode earlier today about posting a public chat transcript
[21:26] spies8mary: Our nominee can post a defense and a case against the Republican nominee.
[21:27] spies8mary: Everyone on our side can post cases for the Republican voters.
[21:27] Spies8Awohali: Her argument against that is that lazy people might not read it... But lazy people do not always read things on their own team anyway,.
[21:47] Spies8Awohali: I must depart so that I may rest before work tomorrow. Farewell, Mary; watch out for patients with sharp objects that make eye contact!

[Mary]

[20:07] spies8cinnamyn: u there boo.?
[21:17] spies8mary: Hi.
[21:25] spies8cinnamyn: whatchu thinkin honey.?
[21:28] spies8mary: We win either way.
[21:29] spies8mary: Personally, I'd like more chances to make Citizens look bad.
[21:29] spies8mary: Let Claude make cases against Chance.
[21:30] spies8cinnamyn: do u think da boiz can survive ova dere.?
[21:30] spies8mary: How's it looking for them?
[21:30] spies8cinnamyn: nobody dun post nothin'
[21:30] spies8mary: Lazy bastards.
[21:30] spies8cinnamyn: tell me bout it
[21:30] spies8cinnamyn: but i think wit' themba n' stephanie
[21:30] spies8cinnamyn: they cud b gud
[21:30] spies8mary: Yes.
[21:30] spies8cinnamyn: probs will b gud
[21:31] spies8mary: I think the doctor is done for.
[21:31] spies8mary: I think he got one protect.
[21:31] spies8cinnamyn: me 2. he wud have dun gabe
[21:31] spies8mary: And now he's just waiting in a huddle. Just like Dr. Crowhurst after he got stabbed tonight.
[21:32] spies8cinnamyn: whatchu think bout da masons
[21:32] spies8mary: Jasmine is probably one.
[21:32] spies8cinnamyn: cuz i gotta believe dey didnt take da bribe
[21:32] spies8mary: You need to keep a secret for me.
[21:32] spies8cinnamyn: aight
[21:32] spies8mary: I am the Messenger.
[21:33] spies8cinnamyn: ok, cuz i new we had 2 have anotha role
[21:33] spies8mary: I sent her an anonymous invitation to a masonry and she didn't respond.
[21:33] spies8mary: I don't trust anyone else to cover my role for me.
[21:33] spies8mary: Better that they don't know at all.
[21:34] spies8mary: I am considering sending an anonymous mason invite to Magalie.
[21:34] spies8mary: Do you think that would go over well?
[21:34] spies8cinnamyn: wut wud it entail
[21:34] spies8mary: Just like the one we saw in our forum.
[21:34] spies8mary: Send one to Magalie and one to some Citizen.
[21:35] spies8mary: And then let them think they're masons together.
[21:35] spies8mary: And when it comes out in public, maybe the real masons have to out themselves.
[21:35] spies8cinnamyn: yea i wuz gunna say, gotta b wary bout 2 many masonz
[21:35] spies8cinnamyn: gettin sticky
[21:35] spies8mary: We need to find them, quickly.
[21:36] spies8mary: Or we're screwed.
[21:36] spies8mary: So we need to out them somehow.
[21:36] spies8mary: This would be a way.
[21:36] spies8cinnamyn: well
[21:36] spies8cinnamyn: if magalie n' a cit r masons, i still dont c communicashin between magalie n' dat person
[21:36] spies8cinnamyn: it aint gonna happen
[21:37] spies8mary: But that person will defend Magalie to the death.
[21:37] spies8mary: People love having a role.
[21:37] spies8mary: I bet a dumbo would believe it.
[21:37] spies8cinnamyn: lord no's deyz a lotta dem
[21:38] spies8cinnamyn: how can u make a messenger message luk believable az a legit mason.?
[21:40] spies8mary: Maybe say I'm an anonymous Cit with a role to create one Cit masonry?
[21:40] spies8mary: "You have received an anonymous message."
[21:41] spies8mary: "You have been gifted a role by an anonymous Citizen."
[21:41] spies8mary: "Your role is Mason."
[21:41] spies8cinnamyn: sumthin bout politics
[21:41] spies8cinnamyn: cross party lines
[21:41] spies8mary: "The Spies would like to bribe you to not accept."
[21:42] spies8mary: "If you accept your Mason role, do X, if you take the bribe, do Y."
[21:42] spies8cinnamyn: u can do sum1 from demz (magalie) sum1 from repubz (jenny?)
[21:42] spies8mary: Sure.
[21:42] spies8mary: But Jenny will tell Nita.
[21:42] spies8cinnamyn: datz da only isshue
[21:42] spies8cinnamyn: but nita aint a good choice
[21:42] spies8mary: Better to give this to someone who won't talk about it.
[21:43] spies8mary: Like a Republican who can't talk to us now.
[21:43] spies8mary: That would be fun.
[21:43] spies8cinnamyn: but will magalie survive dis exile
[21:43] spies8mary: If her mason partner claims for her, she will.
[21:43] spies8cinnamyn: tru
[21:44] spies8mary: Maybe Zed?
[21:44] spies8cinnamyn: will ppl believe him if he claimz
[21:44] spies8cinnamyn: im not shure
[21:44] spies8mary: If they don't all the better.
[21:44] spies8mary: He gets in trouble.
[21:45] spies8cinnamyn: hez smarter den he lets on
[21:45] spies8cinnamyn: but i think hez a gud opshin
[21:46] spies8mary: I'm going to make cases on Magalie, Jenny and maybe Gertrude or Rondak.
[21:47] spies8mary: Hambone looks clean and I'll say so.
[21:47] spies8mary: I'll talk to people about you and Cory and say I dunno about you.
[21:48] spies8cinnamyn: ok, ive been sayin da same bout u
[21:48] spies8cinnamyn: jus sayin i wished u wud post more
[21:48] spies8mary: I'm not going to post much. I prefer one on ones.
[21:49] spies8mary: I like to see people respond to what I have to say.
[21:49] spies8mary: So I can stab them in the eye with an icepick.
[21:49] spies8cinnamyn: soundz aight 2 me.!
[21:49] spies8mary: Like I did to Dr. Crowhurst.
[21:49] spies8cinnamyn: imma pretend i didnt hear dat
[21:49] spies8mary: Ok.
[21:50] spies8cinnamyn: wen u gonna do ur mason shiz
[21:50] spies8cinnamyn: gotta b soon
[21:50] spies8mary: Yes.
[21:50] spies8mary: If you think it's an ok idea I'll do it tonight.
[21:50] spies8cinnamyn: i think da important thing
[21:50] spies8cinnamyn: will b da finesse
[21:51] spies8cinnamyn: how itz worded, etc
[21:51] spies8mary: I'll try not to get any blood on the invitation.
[21:51] spies8cinnamyn: i trus' u grl
[21:52] spies8mary: I have no desire to stab you right now.
[21:52] spies8cinnamyn: so wut r u hopin 4 dis.? dat da masonz we dont no will approach zed/magalie.?
[21:52] spies8cinnamyn: well no, cuz dey dont no each otha exist
[21:52] spies8cinnamyn: oh, well duh, dey will if zed claims
[21:52] spies8cinnamyn: dont mind me
[21:53] spies8mary: If Zed claims, the masons have to claim.
[21:53] spies8mary: If they think he's a Spy.
[21:53] spies8mary: At least one has to claim.
[21:53] spies8cinnamyn: y do they have 2 claim.?
[21:53] spies8mary: If they don't, they'll think they're letting a lying spy get away.
[21:54] spies8cinnamyn: cant dey b 2 mason groupz.?
[21:54] spies8mary: Possible, but with this many roles already out?
[21:54] spies8mary: I can even create four masons if I want.
[21:55] spies8mary: Then they'll never know which ones are real.
[21:55] spies8cinnamyn: dont get crazi
[21:55] spies8cinnamyn: but i think ur idea b da best 2 figure out dat pair..cuz othawise im shootin' blanks in dat regard rite now
[21:56] spies8mary: Yes.
[21:56] spies8mary: Unless one gets in trouble at exile.
[21:57] spies8cinnamyn: i wonder y savannah claimed messenger
[21:57] spies8cinnamyn: lmbo
[21:57] spies8mary: She probably was one.
[21:57] spies8mary: One on each side maybe.
[21:58] spies8mary: I faked a message to Nita from Savannah.
[21:58] spies8mary: Talking like her.
[21:59] spies8cinnamyn: lmbo y.?
[21:59] spies8mary: hey nitttts twenty more minutes of my life ugh. looks like its meeee tonight. O.O i had no idea about allan's role claim until jenny said, so like idk.

I tried my best, sorry. hopefully Sam will let me send one more message before exile.

idk who is most suspicious but I did send a secret message to Jasmine and she didn't do the thing i asked so she's sketch def ask her about it.
my role says stick around after im out, maybe ill get to send messages when im goners who knows. =x
ill miss u guys
~Vannah
[22:00] spies8cinnamyn: how r u gonna say u picked da 2 citz
[22:00] spies8cinnamyn: will it b random.?
[22:00] spies8mary: Probably.
[22:01] spies8cinnamyn: wut did u do 2 activate it
[22:01] spies8mary: I'll never reveal publicly that I did this.
[22:01] spies8mary: And I only get 100 words for the message.
[22:01] spies8cinnamyn: if u got da role 2 make 2 citz, y dis round
[22:02] spies8cinnamyn: y did it activate
[22:02] spies8cinnamyn: i mean "u 2 r masonz" looks a lil shady rite.?
[22:02] spies8mary: Maybe I gave smaller gifts other rounds.
[22:03] spies8mary: All it has to do is fool one Citizen to work.
[22:03] spies8mary: We just need to pick that Citizen.
[22:03] spies8cinnamyn: ok i think zed b a good fool
[22:04] spies8mary: Hope so.
[22:06] spies8cinnamyn: well u go wit' it grl, my azz iz tired so imma go 2 sleep
[22:06] spies8mary: Goodnight.
[22:06] spies8mary: Don't forget to lock the door.

[Mary]

[22:13] spies8mary: Hi.
[22:13] spies8cory: BLO HI
[22:14] spies8mary: Have you learned anything about Jenny yet?
[22:14] spies8cory: Yeah actually
[22:14] spies8cory: I grilled her a bit the other day about Allan
[22:14] spies8cory: And her not doing more to save him. Lol.
[22:14] spies8mary: How did she respond?
[22:14] spies8cory: Very lengthy responses. Let me go look at them
[22:14] spies8mary: Wait.
[22:14] spies8cory: Waiting.
[22:14] spies8mary: Was it interesting?
[22:15] spies8cory: It was relevant
[22:15] spies8mary: I've heard Awohali talk about that too.
[22:15] spies8mary: Did you get the feeling she made a good decision claiming for him?
[22:16] spies8cory: I haven't actually checked hard facts, but if what she is saying is true, the claiming seemed like the right move
[22:16] spies8cory: She said neither Nita nor Allan were around an hour before exile and things were getting ugly
[22:16] spies8cory: The main thing I wanted to know is when things first started looking like they may go sour for Allan
[22:17] spies8mary: I don't like how she approached the Alexei exile.
[22:17] spies8cory: The thing is I didn't get the feeling she had any real suspects
[22:17] spies8cory: Which is bothering
[22:17] spies8cory: What about it didn't you like?
[22:17] spies8cory: I don't think I've heard much about it
[22:17] spies8mary: She said she wanted to talk to him.
[22:18] spies8mary: And then later she said she talked to him for an hour and a half.
[22:18] spies8mary: But when people discussed Alexei in group chat she was dead silent.
[22:18] spies8mary: Even though she should have a ton of information about him from that long talk.
[22:19] spies8mary: She also changed her mind about whether he gave up or not.
[22:19] spies8mary: spies8themba: did he just admit to being a spy? or was that just me?
[22:59] spies8jenny: I don't think so.
[23:00] spies8jenny: I think he was just semi-depressed about possibly being the first gone.
[22:20] spies8mary: The next day she says the opposite.
[22:20] spies8mary: spies8jenny: He sure sounded like he was giving up last night. (20:16)
[22:20] spies8mary: And after exile:
[22:20] spies8mary: spies8jenny: by the time we talked about Lexi, he was already in giving up mode.
[22:21] spies8mary: spies8jenny: I think it's entirely possible Lexi could be a spy, but I'd like to see more from him before I decide what to do there.
[22:21] spies8cory: Wait
[22:21] spies8cory: The context of her saying "He sounded like he was giving up last night"
[22:21] spies8cory: Did she say that as if she thought he was a Spy because of it?
[22:21] spies8cory: Giving up and admitting to being a spy
[22:22] spies8cory:
[23:00] spies8jenny: I think he was just semi-depressed about possibly being the first gone.
[22:22] spies8mary: Themba thought he was admitting to being a spy.
[22:22] spies8cory: That could be interpreted as "giving up"
[22:22] spies8cory: But it sounds like she didn't buy into the idea of him admitting to being a spy
[22:22] spies8mary: So you're saying she could have been thinking that Alexei was a giving up Citizen.
[22:23] spies8cory: It could read as her saying she thought he was giving up, regardless of alignment, but not giving up _and_ admitting to being a Spy
[22:23] spies8mary: Ok.
[22:24] spies8mary: In the group chats over there it looks like she desperately avoided talking about Alexei.
[22:24] spies8mary: She disappeared whenever someone asked her a question about him or when he was discussed.
[22:24] spies8cory: That is definitely noteworthy. What date in particular?
[22:24] spies8mary: From my notes:
[22:25] spies8mary: Next day, Tina brings up Alexei and a contradicted quote from a Jenny-Alexei conversation.
Jenny freezes and doesn't discuss the contradiction or Alexei until the topic changes to Allan.
[22:25] spies8cory: Interesting
[22:25] spies8cory: Jenny, did she ultimately vote him?
[22:25] spies8mary: She voted for Zed.
[22:26] spies8mary: spies8alexei: ok, now let me ask you, and please answer honestly, how many of you think I am spy for sure?
spies8alexei: steph? rondak? jenny? themba? what do you think honestly?
Jenny disappears for a half hour without answering.
[22:26] spies8mary: Themba asks who she's voting for.
spies8jenny: Just saw your question, sorry. Yeah I'll probably stick with Zeddy for now (sorry Zeddy )
Never comments on Alexei or tries to persuade people to join her, based on evidence from their 1 1/2 hours of talking.
[22:27] spies8mary: "I really don't know what to think of this guy right now. He seems to me to be coming off like someone in a previous game named Callahan, who just gave up when people put pressure on him the first day, and turned out to be a cit."
[22:27] spies8mary: Tina points out another contradiction in Alexei's Zed suspicions, Jenny ignored it.
[22:28] spies8cory: *avoids commenting on jenny*
[22:28] spies8cory: Lol, kidding
[22:28] spies8mary: Also, she says she's a Citizen finder.
[22:28] spies8cory: Oh
[22:28] spies8cory: You mean
[22:28] spies8cory: She doesn't look for Spies
[22:28] spies8cory: she looks for people she thinks are Citizens?
[22:28] spies8mary: She thought Savannah was a Citizen but I can't see her ever persuading anyone not to vote Savannah.
[22:28] spies8mary: Yes.
[22:28] spies8cory: That is spyish
[22:29] spies8cory: I've seen people do that before and it's usually to avoid having to throw dirt at people
[22:29] spies8cory: Not to mention it's not even a good strategy.
[22:29] spies8mary: spies8nita: That ain't Jenny's style
[19:51] spies8nita: Jenny ain't a lyncher
[19:52] spies8nita: She get some problems for it from the team. Jenny, her style be find citizens not spies
[22:30] spies8cory: Lol, the last time I met someone who said they look for the good guys, they were a scumbag
[22:30] spies8mary: spies8jenny: I'm not one to push votes really. I just state what I think on something and let others use the information how they like.
[22:31] spies8mary: Anyhow, I also read about Hambone and Magalie today.
[22:31] spies8mary: What do you think about them?
[22:31] spies8cory: Magalie sketchy, Hambone looks good
[22:31] spies8cory: But I haven't looked closely into Hambone on the other team
[22:32] spies8mary: I looked into him a lot today.
[22:32] spies8mary: He posted four decent cases.
[22:32] spies8mary: The key is whether or not they were copied from other people.
[22:33] spies8mary: He made a very big deal about his Allan case being completely his own.
[22:33] spies8mary: So I assume the other cases were copied.
[22:33] spies8cory: Or at leastn ot all his ideas
[22:34] spies8mary: His cases were on Zed, Themba and one other, and they were decent.
[22:34] spies8mary: Jenny.
[22:35] spies8cory: He was pretty concerned when he switched over to this team
[22:35] spies8cory: Concerned that nobody was asking him questions
[22:35] spies8cory: Not really the type of thing I expect a Spy to be concerned about.
[22:35] spies8mary: He seems like he's trying to find spies.
[22:35] spies8mary: So does Nita.
[22:35] spies8cory: Nita's definitely looking
[22:36] spies8mary: Rondak doesn't at all.
[22:36] spies8cory: We took turns grilling each other yesterday
[22:36] spies8cory: Rondak isn't
[22:36] spies8cory: But according to Nita, he thought this was a roleplaying game
[22:36] spies8cory: Not sure I buy that
[22:36] spies8mary: That's awful for him if it's true.
[22:36] spies8mary: It would be a mean spy cover story.
[22:36] spies8cory: It seems like it should be pretty obvious this is more than a roleplaying game
[22:37] spies8cory: Plus, he's still here.
[22:37] spies8mary: Magalie hasn't had a genuine suspicion that I've seen.
[22:37] spies8cory: I find if someone joins a game and they don't like it
[22:37] spies8cory: They'll justn ot come back. Lol.
[22:37] spies8cory: She's been completely unhelpful
[22:38] spies8cory: "I suspect Gertrude. I just have a feeling but I dont know how to put it in words. "
[22:38] spies8mary: She admitted to lying about that.
[22:38] spies8cory: "yes that is all I fuggin have to contribute I was not here the last 3 days because my family comes first so atleast you know Im fuggin still here. shit man get the fuck off my back. "
[22:39] spies8mary: I'm afraid that even if she's a Citizen she may keep pulling a Citizen vote or two off of Spies each round.
[22:39] spies8mary: It would be nice and easy if she's a spy.
[22:39] spies8cory: I honestly wouldn't mind getting rid of her
[22:40] spies8cory: She's one of my top picks right now
[22:40] spies8cory: I'm looking over her posts
[22:40] spies8cory: The whole lying about her suspicions thing sounds sketchy
[22:40] spies8cory: And I mean
[22:40] spies8mary: Like I told Awohali last episode, I felt less bad making a mistake about Magalie than making a mistake about Margot.
[22:40] spies8mary: And I think there's a better chance Magalie is a spy.
[22:40] spies8cory: Lol her exile 2 picks were flimsy
[22:41] spies8cory: Margot:Either that girl has somethin goin on in her life or this strange mother fucker has got to be a spy that is playin under the Radar.
[22:41] spies8cory: That's totally non committal
[22:41] spies8cory: Claude:I smelt somethin fishy the first time I laid eyes on him. Now that he has his new role I question if that is actually a citizen role or could he also be a spy with that role.
[22:41] spies8cory: As is that
[22:41] spies8cory: Both of those are avoiding taking a stance
[22:42] spies8mary: Gertrude's votes stink so far but she is very logical.
[22:43] spies8mary: Her explanations for her votes and vote changes basically make sense.
[22:46] spies8cory: When you were looking over those chat transcripts
[22:46] spies8cory: Did it seem like Jenny's move to claim for Allan saved him?
[22:46] spies8cory: In other words, had she not done that, do you think he would have been exiled
[22:47] spies8cory: I guess I should be asking someone on that team. Lol.
[22:49] spies8mary: No, I don't think so.
[22:49] spies8mary: I think Savannah was still in the lead.
[22:49] spies8mary: I had a good therapy session today by the way.
[22:50] spies8cory: What did you talk about?
[22:50] spies8mary: The doctor told me I shouldn't feel guilty about what Simon did to Dr. Crowhurst.
[22:51] spies8cory: You mean the one who stabbed the doctor.
[22:51] spies8mary: He said Dr. Crowhurst deserved it for lying about saying he wanted to marry me.
[22:51] spies8cory: He lied?
[22:51] spies8mary: Yes.
[22:51] spies8cory: What was his reason?
[22:51] spies8mary: He led me on for a very long time.
[22:52] spies8mary: And then right before Memorial Day when I asked him about our wedding date, he laughed at me.
[22:52] spies8mary: And said he was marrying his fiancee Brenda on Memorial Day.
[22:52] spies8mary: So after he was done telling his lies
[22:53] spies8mary: And turned around, Simon grabbed him and got him with an icepick through the eye socket.
[22:53] spies8cory: Lol!
[22:53] spies8cory: Simon
[22:53] spies8cory: Let me ask you something Mary.
[22:53] spies8mary: Two quick twitches up and down, and an instant frontal lobotomy.
[22:53] spies8cory: This Simon. How long have you known him?
[22:53] spies8cory: Since you were very young?
[22:53] spies8mary: Since I was 9.
[22:54] spies8cory: And does he follow you most places?
[22:54] spies8mary: He came over to play one night after my parents went to sleep.
[22:54] spies8mary: Yes, he's almost always around.
[22:54] spies8cory: Lol!
[22:54] spies8cory: Is he there right now, lurking in the background?
[22:54] spies8mary: Billy and Princess don't like him very much.
[22:55] spies8mary: I don't know if Simon's here right now.
[22:55] spies8mary: He scares me a little sometimes.
[22:55] spies8cory: Is he the violent one of the bunch?
[22:55] spies8mary: Shh.
[22:56] spies8cory: Has Simon....
[22:56] spies8cory: Killed anyone?
[22:56] spies8mary: I think he's listening.
[22:56] spies8cory: Will he hurt me?
[22:56] spies8cory: Can you hold him back?
[22:57] spies8cory: Simon.
[22:57] spies8cory: Are you there?
[22:57] spies8mary: I told him I like you.
[22:57] spies8cory: Can Simon type?
[22:57] spies8mary: You should be ok if you don't make any sudden moves.
[22:57] spies8cory: *VOTES MARY*
[22:57] spies8cory: Shit, that was a sudden move, wasn't it?
[22:57] spies8mary: Yes.
[22:57] spies8mary: Very much so.
[22:57] spies8cory: Will he be wielding a pencil or a knife?
[22:58] spies8mary: Billy says you'd best stop messing with Simon.
[22:58] spies8cory: What does Billy do?
[22:59] spies8cory: Does he huff and puff?
[22:59] spies8mary: He sees everything.
[22:59] spies8cory: Does he see the Spies?
[22:59] spies8mary: He lives in my eyes.
[22:59] spies8mary: He's always looking for bad people, yes.
[22:59] spies8mary: Billy protects me.
[23:00] spies8cory: Mary.
[23:00] spies8mary: Princess says you're funny to huff and puff like the Big Bad Wolf.
[23:00] spies8cory: This is all very frightening
[23:00] spies8mary: That's silly.
[23:00] spies8cory: I fear you're part of a cult.
[23:01] spies8cory: Don't you think this company you keep is doing you harm?
[23:01] spies8mary: She wants to know if you've seen my china doll.
[23:01] spies8cory: No. No I have not.
[23:01] spies8mary: It's pretty with black hair and rosy cheeks and I left it in the Burg somewhere.
[23:02] spies8cory: Princess, go find Mary's china doll.
[23:03] spies8mary: She's looking for it now.

[Mary]

[23:05] spies8mary: Sorry.
[23:06] spies8cory: Did Billy disconnect you?
[23:06] spies8cory: Mary, has anyone ever lied to you and tried to make you hate your friends?
[23:06] spies8cory: By telling you they were imaginary?
[23:06] spies8mary: No.
[23:06] spies8cory: Never?
[23:07] spies8mary: Well, you said Claude was imaginary the other day.
[23:07] spies8mary: But I thought that was a joke.
[23:07] spies8cory: He is imaginary.
[23:07] spies8cory: I've never seen a Claude in this game.
[23:07] spies8mary: I have. He's in the list over there.
[23:07] spies8cory: Either he is imaginary, or you have played an elaborate trick
[23:08] spies8mary: I guess I can ask about it in therapy tomorrow.
[23:08] spies8cory: Why, then, do you go to therapy?
[23:08] spies8cory: Are you depressed, Mary?
[23:08] spies8cory: Do your friends pick on you?
[23:08] spies8mary: No, I just wanted to make sure that I didn't have to feel bad about what Simon did.
[23:09] spies8cory: Why did your therapist tell you that you didn't have to feel bad?
[23:09] spies8mary: Do you want to talk about the Democrats any more?
[23:09] spies8cory: Yeah. Let's talk about Jake. His last vote was pretty awful
[23:09] spies8cory: He didn't give any reasons for it.
[23:09] spies8cory: And it kind of came out of left field, don't you think?
[23:10] spies8cory: The day before exile, Jake was saying that he thought Claude should get exiled despite his role, but then he voted Magalie?
[23:10] spies8cory: He'd never even mentioned her. Lol.
[23:11] spies8mary: Billy says he hasn't seen a Jake.
[23:12] spies8cory: Billy is teasing.
[23:12] spies8cory: Are you sure Simon didn't stab Billy in the eyes?
[23:12] spies8mary: I don't think he would do that.
[23:13] spies8cory: Lol.
[23:14] spies8mary: I see Chance is back.
[23:14] spies8cory: He is.
[23:14] spies8cory: Or so he says
[23:14] spies8mary: I think he's probably a spy.
[23:14] spies8cory: I get that feeling as well, but I want to give his Claude has another look
[23:14] spies8mary: His Claude what?
[23:14] spies8cory: Claude case
[23:14] spies8cory: I think Claude is thick headed
[23:15] spies8mary: I think Claude is a Citizen.
[23:15] spies8mary: I'm not certain of that, but I think he probably is.
[23:16] spies8cory: Based on more than his role?
[23:16] spies8cory: We were talking abou this last night I think
[23:16] spies8mary: And I think Chance is slimy for many reasons and I don't think it's likely a Citizen protected him from Exile.
[23:16] spies8mary: Yeah.
[23:17] spies8mary: I mean it's possible but I just can't think of who would do that.
[23:17] spies8cory: Chance's attack on Claude is slimy
[23:17] spies8cory: And totally reaching
[23:17] spies8mary: Yes.
[23:17] spies8cory: Well, ignoring his big case
[23:17] spies8mary: A ton of exaggerations.
[23:17] spies8cory: His original reason for going after him
[23:17] spies8cory: Was just bs
[23:17] spies8mary: I want to talk to him.
[23:17] spies8cory: I don't think his case came until later
[23:17] spies8mary: Hopefully he'll be on tomorrow.
[23:17] spies8mary: Oh, don't vote no exile.
[23:17] spies8mary: It's a bad idea.
[23:17] spies8cory: Yeah, I'm not
[23:18] spies8cory: I decided I don't like it
[23:18] spies8mary: I think Nita is probably a Cit but that's a terrible idea.

[Mary]

[09:11] spies8mary: Hi.
[09:14] spies8claude: Hello Mary.
[09:14] spies8mary: Do you have a few minutes to talk?
[09:15] spies8claude: Of course.
[09:15] spies8mary: What do you think of the new people who've joined our team?
[09:15] spies8claude: Eh
[09:16] spies8claude: Some of them are just kind of there.
[09:16] spies8mary: So you don't have a read on any.
[09:16] spies8claude: I wouldn't say that
[09:16] spies8claude: I've talked to Allan and Nita individually
[09:16] spies8claude: and I think they're both citizens
[09:17] spies8claude: I haven't talked to Jenny nor Rondak much(a little, but not much)
[09:17] spies8mary: I'm leaning strongly in that direction.
[09:17] spies8mary: Nita's old posts and group chats look solid.
[09:17] spies8mary: Allan's role being claimed by Jenny is interesting.
[09:17] spies8claude: I haven't read any of the republican group chats, but I've read most of their forum posts.
[09:18] spies8mary: Their group chats are very interesting.
[09:18] spies8claude: I'm not sure what to make of that situation.
[09:18] spies8mary: I have a problem with the way Jenny approached the Alexei exile.
[09:18] spies8mary: She seemed to be willfully ignoring questions about Alexei.
[09:18] spies8claude: How so?
[09:19] spies8mary: And also disappearing from chat when asked things about Alexei.
[09:19] spies8claude: Hmm, I'll have to read up on it.
[09:19] spies8mary: Tina confronted her with Alexei contradictions a few times
[09:19] spies8mary: And she essentially ignored Tina.
[09:19] spies8claude: Hmmm
[09:19] spies8claude: I'm suspicious of Tina
[09:20] spies8mary: From my notes:
[09:20] spies8mary: Next day, Tina brings up Alexei and a contradicted quote from a Jenny-Alexei conversation
Jenny freezes and doesn't discuss the contradiction or Alexei until the topic changes to Allan.
[09:20] spies8mary: Tina points out another contradiction in Alexei's Zed suspicions, Jenny ignored it.
[09:20] spies8mary: spies8jenny: Well that was special. 22:19
spies8alexei: ok, now let me ask you, and please answer honestly, how many of you think I am spy for sure?
spies8alexei: steph? rondak? jenny? themba? what do you think honestly?
Jenny disappears for a half hour without answering.
[09:21] spies8mary: Themba asks who she's voting for.
spies8jenny: Just saw your question, sorry. Yeah I'll probably stick with Zeddy for now (sorry Zeddy )
Never comments on Alexei or tries to persuade people to join her, based on evidence from their 1 1/2 hours of talking.
[09:21] spies8mary: Tina calls Jenny and Alexei out:
spies8tina: You said that during the chat you were following along with the whole thing, but talking with Jenny the entire time so were being quiet.
Jenny admits to talking to Lexi for two 40 minute spans.
[09:21] spies8claude: I'm finding all of this more suspect on Tina's part.
[09:22] spies8mary: For not voting Alexei?
[09:22] spies8mary: Yes, it's weird.
[09:22] spies8mary: There was so much evidence.
[09:22] spies8mary: That she was generating.
[09:22] spies8claude: Especially when she helped start the case on him, and from those posts it looks like she was trying to say Jenny was scum by assocation w/ Alexei
[09:22] spies8mary: jenny: "When I see Lexi, I'm going to want to talk to him for a bit." 17:17
Jenny very tuned in to who's voting who, seems to be tallying
Sees alexei: "It sounds like you got some 'splainin to do." 20:38
Jenny goes silent for 10 minutes without talking to him.
[09:23] spies8mary: Alexei gets attacked in chat, Jenny goes silent in chat.
[09:23] spies8mary: Jenny goes silent for 40 minutes until the end of the chat log
Reappears to say have a good night to hambone once the alexei attacks are over
spies8dane: whoa, you are on jenny?
[21:42] spies8jenny: I've been here.
[21:42] spies8dane: afk or listening?
[09:23] spies8mary: [21:42] spies8jenny: Just listening.
Comments on Steph's attacks on Dane but not on the massacre of Alexei.
[09:24] spies8mary: I also don't like that she says she hunts Citizens instead of Spies.
[09:25] spies8claude: It's kind of a cop out
[09:25] spies8mary: That's moderately helpful but not the difficult part of this game. It's also easy for Spies to do in an effort to look decent.
[09:25] spies8claude: But some people really do play that way.
[09:26] spies8mary: But if that's how she operates
[09:26] spies8mary: She says she thought Savannah was a Citizen
[09:26] spies8mary: But never said a word I can find to help save Savannah.
[09:26] spies8mary: Nor get her to roleclaim to save herself.
[09:26] spies8claude: Hmmm
[09:26] spies8mary: You know Savannah had a role, right?
[09:26] spies8claude: So, one of Tina/Jenny is probably a spy, but probably not both
[09:26] spies8claude: No, I didn't
[09:28] spies8mary: They are saying she was The Messenger or something like that.
[09:28] spies8mary: She claimed after votes were closed and Sam started counting.
[09:29] spies8claude: That sucks.
[09:31] spies8mary: What do you think of Magalie?
[09:32] spies8mary: Oh, first, the rest of the other team.
[09:32] spies8mary: I reviewed Hambone's posts and group chats.
[09:32] spies8mary: He made about four cases. One was his own and three look copied from others.
[09:33] spies8claude: That seems fine.
[09:33] spies8claude: I've talked to him a bit as well, and nothing he said raised any alarms.
[09:33] spies8mary: I don't have a problem with him right now. He looks noob and sincere.
[09:34] spies8mary: Rondak, I have no clue. He seems a little deceptive.
[09:34] spies8mary: Could just be roleplay.
[09:34] spies8mary: What do you think of him and Allan?
[09:35] spies8claude: I like Allan
[09:35] spies8claude: He's suspicious of all of the same people as me :-P
[09:35] spies8mary: He's already suspicious of Chance?
[09:35] spies8claude: Oh
[09:35] spies8mary: How did that happen so fast?
[09:35] spies8claude: maybe not Chance
[09:35] spies8claude: But he did seem to indicate being suspicious of Isaac
[09:35] spies8mary: Based on what?
[09:36] spies8mary: He actually reads the opposite side's group chats?
[09:36] spies8claude: I think so.
[09:36] spies8mary: I'll have to ask him about that.
[09:36] spies8mary: If he claimed his role to escape an exile I'd have more of a problem with him right now.
[09:37] spies8mary: But I don't really see a spy playing it the way he did. Unless he and Jenny are both Spies.
[09:37] spies8mary: And he actually told Nita as well after a week.
[09:38] spies8mary: Ok, so back to Magalie.
[09:39] spies8mary: I'm thinking there are very few downsides to voting her.
[09:40] spies8mary: I think I lost you.
[09:41] spies8claude: I'm still here sorry
[09:41] spies8claude: Just doing other stuff also.
[09:41] spies8mary: It's ok.
[09:42] spies8claude: I agree about Magalie
[09:42] spies8claude: I just hate lynching someoen in these circumstances.
[09:42] spies8mary: I want to exile Magalie for several reasons.
[09:42] spies8mary: She's lied about her suspicions.
[09:42] spies8claude: What do you mean
[09:42] spies8mary: The game doesn't work with someone like that.
[09:42] spies8mary: She said she suspected Gertrude.
[09:43] spies8mary: Then she said she had actually lied about that and just said that to get everyone off her back.
[09:43] spies8mary: Because she hadn't actually taken the time to develop suspicions or something.
[09:43] spies8claude: It's hard to see a Spy lying there and then just admitting to it.
[09:44] spies8mary: I know.
[09:44] spies8mary: Her Margot suspicions look completely flat.
[09:44] spies8claude: It seems like she's really just not participating
[09:44] spies8claude: not being on, just bandwagon voting, etc
[09:45] spies8mary: If there's a better candidate for exile, a really good one, then I could see waiting a day on Magalie.
[09:46] spies8claude: I stll like Chance best for that, of course. I'm also fairly suspicious of Gertrude now.
[09:53] spies8mary: Sorry, also busy here at the hospital.
[10:20] spies8mary: Gertrude's votes and vote switches have been logically well explained.
[10:20] spies8mary: She says she switched from Margot to Camilla to "make a difference".
[10:20] spies8mary: That makes sense.
[10:21] spies8claude: I could accept that.
[10:21] spies8claude: And I do, I suppose.
[10:21] spies8mary: Then she went back to Margot.
[10:21] spies8claude: But she says that she was 'torn' between whether to vote for Margot or Magalie on Day 2.
[10:21] spies8mary: When Margot arrived the afternoon of exile, she was unimpressive.
[10:21] spies8mary: Yeah I talked to her a bit to see if she was really considering alternatives.
[10:22] spies8claude: And then at the start of Day 3, she just apparently completely forgot about being suspicious of Magalie. Or at least, when I asked her about it, the first person she mentioned was Rondak.
[10:22] spies8mary: Really?
[10:22] spies8claude: Yeah
[10:22] spies8mary: Hold on, let me check my log from exile day.
[10:22] spies8claude: I did ask her if she was suspicious of anyone else, and she said she was going to answer(I waited about 10 minutes and then moved on)
[10:22] spies8claude: This is at the start of Day 3.
[10:22] spies8mary: Yes, but I want to see how much she suspected Magalie.
[10:23] spies8mary: And if dropping her is a big shift.
[10:23] spies8claude: I also am dubious that she really was torn between voting them
[10:23] spies8claude: She had genuine reasons for voting Margot
[10:23] spies8claude: But her reasons for 'thinking about' voting Magalie were 'she could be a detriment'
[10:24] spies8claude: There shouldn't be any real tough decision there. Margot bandwagon voted the asme person as Gert, and accused Gert of being scum because of it.
[10:25] spies8mary: spies8gertrude: I am torn between those three suspects, as well.
spies8mary: Really?
spies8mary: What's your reasoning?
[10:25] spies8mary: I listed Magalie, Isaac and Margot.
[10:25] spies8claude: She never said anything about Isaac
[10:25] spies8mary: Then the topic switches to you and Chance for 20 minutes.
[10:25] spies8claude: I suppose I can't blame her too much for that, since he was moved to the other team by the time I asked her about it.
[10:26] spies8mary: spies8mary: More importantly, though, tonight's vote.
spies8mary: One more hour to decide.
spies8gertrude: Yes, sorry.
[10:26] spies8claude: I felt like she really overreacted to what was clearly minor suspicion on my part(towards her)
[10:26] spies8mary: spies8gertrude: I'm not sure if what you have on Isaac is enough for an Exile.
[10:26] spies8mary: spies8mary: What do you think of Margot? And about the way her wagon has played out?
spies8gertrude: I think I'd rather go with Magalie.
[10:27] spies8mary: spies8gertrude: I don't know what I think of Margot. I think she's inexperienced, for sure, but at the same time, I think she's more productive than Magalie.
[10:27] spies8mary: spies8mary: But I don't get a sense of conviction from him.
spies8gertrude: Actually, I have today.
[10:27] spies8mary: That's about Isaac.
[10:28] spies8claude: Fascniating
[10:28] spies8claude: I've never gotten a sense of conviction from Isaac
[10:28] spies8mary: Me neither.
[10:28] spies8mary: spies8gertrude: Voting Magalie seems to be the most logical decision.
spies8gertrude: But I still think it's probable that she's just a useless citizen.
[10:29] spies8mary: I asked her where Isaac showed conviction.
[10:29] spies8mary: spies8isaac: Excuse me Jasmine my vote isn't being "thrown away" the fact that you don't buy the argument for now is fine but my vote was there for What I thought were all the right reasons last night and tonight is the same story. I believe I'm voting the person most suspect of being a spy.
[10:29] spies8mary: spies8gertrude: Yes. And her most recent thought intrigues me.
spies8mary: That Claude might be protecting Margot?
[10:30] spies8mary: spies8gertrude: Yes.
spies8gertrude: It's interesting, becuase it looks like the bandwagon came off of Margot as fast as it came on.
[10:31] spies8claude: That post by Isaac actually does read as genuine, somewhat. But I think it's something that could be said as a Spy.

[Mary]

[18:23] spies8mary: This is painful.
[18:24] spies8jenny: The group chat? I've been talking to Lucky, what's going on in it?
[18:24] spies8mary: Magalie can barely express a thought in words. It's sad.
[18:25] spies8mary: I was going to ask you a few questions, but I'll wait until you're free.
[18:25] spies8jenny: Okies.
[18:25] spies8mary: Chat me up when you're done with Chance.
[18:26] spies8jenny: Sure!
[18:35] spies8jenny: ?
[18:35] spies8jenny: Okies, what did you want to ask me
[18:35] spies8mary: All sorts of things!
[18:35] spies8jenny: Yaaaay!
[18:35] spies8jenny:
[18:35] spies8mary: I guess a good place to start is what's your take on your new teammates so far?
[18:37] spies8jenny: Well Maggie... I don't even know what to think with her.

Claude seems a little out there as well, but at least he's sort of trying. In his special way.

And most everyone else I'm still getting to know really.
[18:37] spies8mary: Do you think Claude is a Spy?
[18:38] spies8jenny: It's possible, but I'm still debating with myself on him. He could be a spy, but he could also easily just be a nutcase.
[18:38] spies8jenny: I really don't get why he keeps trying to do these "Me or Him" setups.
[18:38] spies8mary: And Magalie? Gut instinct on her?
[18:40] spies8jenny: Gut instinct on her is what the heck is she doing? Nobody I talk to seems to think she's doing very much in the game at all.
[18:40] spies8jenny: I'm planning on voting her for now because 2 weeks of that is strange enough to warrent looking into, but whatever alignment she is, what the heck is she trying to do?
[18:40] spies8mary: What do you think of Chance's case on Claude?
[18:41] spies8jenny: I haven't gotten a chance to ask him much about it yet, and I'm behind in the group chat right now.
[18:41] spies8mary: If you'd rather, we can chat later.
[18:41] spies8jenny: I'll make sure to ask him once we're done.
[18:41] spies8jenny: No, I don't mind.
[18:41] spies8mary: They type so slow, I was hoping we could multitask.
[18:42] spies8jenny: Anything else you're curious about?
[18:42] spies8mary: Yes, but I'm fascinated by Magalie at the moment.
[18:43] spies8jenny: I better go get caught up then.
[18:43] spies8mary: I want to know more about your thought process on Alexei.
[18:43] spies8mary: And your talks with him.
[18:45] spies8jenny: Lexi I wasn't too upset to see get votes. I personally wanted to vote out Zeddy first though, because I wanted to see more on Lexi before deciding on him.
[18:45] spies8mary: What did you think when you read the Nita/Tina thread on Alexei?
[18:46] spies8jenny: I agreed that he seemed to be bandwagoning a bit, but on Day 1 it's harder to tell if that's just because there's so little to go on, or if it's because of spies hoping for an easy exile, which is part of why I wanted to see more of him first.
[18:47] spies8mary: What got you so stuck on Zed?
[18:48] spies8jenny: Because he was falling apart over the simplest of things, and making all sorts of ridiculous statements.

I asked him about where he went after roles went out since he had told me he hadn't talked with anyone yet since roles went out, and it had been a couple hours since that had happend, so in the group chat the next day I asked him about it. It wasn't even meant to be any sort of interrogation, but it ended up getting absolutely ridiculous.
[18:49] spies8mary: Ok.
[18:49] spies8mary: We can move this to the group chat so more people can get involved.
[18:49] spies8jenny: And then a few days later.
[18:50] spies8jenny: He starts falling apart in the exact same manner again, and we're back to ridiculous land.

The day after the Lexi exile happens, we're in the group chat? He starts bringing up reasons Lexi was suspicious.
[18:50] spies8mary: I saw that.
[18:51] spies8jenny: What is even the sense in that?
[18:51] spies8mary: What did you want Alexei to explain when you said in group chat, "It sounds like you got some 'splainin to do."
[18:51] spies8mary: After you said that, you didn't ask him anything.
[18:52] spies8jenny: I honestly don't remember saying that. Can you point me out to where that is so I can refresh my memory?
[18:52] spies8mary: I can go check the chats you posted. One moment.
[18:53] spies8jenny: Okies!
[18:53] spies8mary: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=gop&action=display&thread=293
[18:53] spies8mary: Search for "splain"
[18:53] spies8jenny: control f is a wonderful thing
[18:54] spies8jenny: Oh here we go. Rondie was just bringing up what he thought was a strange chat with him, and he happened to come online soon afterwards, so I was just remarking on that.
[18:57] spies8mary: Was there a reason you kind of avoided passing judgment on Alexei in group chat?
[18:57] spies8mary: You seemed to get quiet when his name was brought up, and when people asked questions about him.
[18:58] spies8mary: A couple of times, Tina brought up contradictions in conversations you had with Alexei, and you didn't really comment on them.
[18:58] spies8jenny: I wanted to see how it played out, and like I said before, I wanted to be sure he wasn't going to be like Callahan from a previous game, who just gave up because he got questioned.
[18:59] spies8mary: When he said something strange and Themba said Lexi had admitted to being a spy, what was your immediate thought? Did you agree?
[19:00] spies8jenny: Not really. It just sounded to me like he was just depressed over being the likely first exile of the game.
[19:00] spies8mary: Did it feel like he was giving up?
[19:00] spies8jenny: Yeah.
[19:00] spies8mary: Ok.
[19:00] spies8mary: Cause later you said basically yeah he gave up last night.
[19:01] spies8mary: I just wanted clarification on all that.
[19:01] spies8jenny: It sounded like he was just going "Meh oh well, at least I'll have fun in the viewer's lounge, good luck!"
[19:01] spies8mary: Ok.
[19:01] spies8mary: It seems like you were a little tuned in to Claude's role when you were on the other team.
[19:01] spies8mary: What else did you notice on this side?
[19:02] spies8jenny: Which is partially why I wanted to wait on him, because that sounded familiar to a cit in another game who got exiled after doing the same kind of thing, so I wanted to be sure we weren't starting a rerun.
[19:02] spies8mary: Ok.
[19:02] spies8mary: When I read what you wrote I went and looked up "Callahan".
[19:02] spies8jenny: Spies6 is where you'd want to look for that one.
[19:02] spies8mary: What was similar about Alexei?
[19:03] spies8mary: I saw that Callahan got in a fight with strong Citizens and lost.
[19:03] spies8jenny: Both of them just were rolling over and dying without really putting much of an effort into a defense from what I could see.
[19:03] spies8mary: And the only person who defended him was a Spy. Maybe one Citizen.
[19:05] spies8mary: Sorry, back to my old question:
[19:05] spies8mary: spies8mary: It seems like you were a little tuned in to Claude's role when you were on the other team.
spies8mary: What else did you notice on this side?
[19:06] spies8jenny: I looked a little bit here and there, but I didn't go very much in depth with it. It's hard to ignore a topic labeled "The First Roleclaim of the Game" though, especially right after it's announced that Lucky is being protected from exile.
[19:06] spies8mary: Ok.
[19:06] spies8mary: One last question.
[19:07] spies8mary: What did you think about Savannah, and did you try to change anyone's mind about her?
[19:07] spies8jenny: I actually confused Claude's role with being that exile blocker for a while.
[19:07] spies8jenny: And Savanny I never considered to be a spy.
[19:07] spies8mary: That's what I thought.
[19:07] spies8jenny: Thursday was absolutely lousy for me.
[19:07] spies8jenny: Al I thought was a cit, Savanny I thought was a cit, and Themby was hiding in the background getting votes and I thought SHE was a cit.
[19:07] spies8jenny: Well that's just great.
[19:08] spies8mary: Everyone else has been gabbing about you claiming for Allan but I'm not sure what I'd have done if it was looking close.
[19:08] spies8mary: Who was your big suspect that exile?
[19:08] spies8mary: Sorry, that was another question.
[19:08] spies8mary: Last one, I promise.
[19:09] spies8jenny: Well if it was my choice, I would have put up Zeddy again since I still wanted to find out about him, but there was no way he was going to get any votes that day. I ended up going with Stephi, since I at least had suspicions on her, and I saw Savanny was going with her for the exile. I was hoping we could get a few more votes on Stephi after Al's claim came out. No such luck.
[19:10] spies8jenny: That was really lousy too when it became obvious that Savanny had suddenly become the major bandwagon, because she was one of my favorite people to talk to, and I thought she was a cit as well.
[19:11] spies8mary: She got herself in trouble i guess, unless the Spies somehow sabotaged her.
[19:11] spies8jenny: I honestly have no idea where the heck her case came from. Before that night, I knew that Gabe-Gabe was worried about her since the start of the game, but then suddenly there was actually a wagon forming on her, and I spent half the time trying to figure out where that even came from.
[19:12] spies8jenny: As far as I could tell, she was getting voted because she listed her suspicions.
[19:16] spies8mary: Thanks for being patient with me.
[19:16] spies8jenny: No problem.
[19:17] spies8mary: If you ever have any questions for me, go right ahead.
[19:17] spies8mary: I'm catching up on the group chat now.
[19:17] spies8jenny: Well right now I'm getting so far behind in the group chat it's not even funny so I should probably catch myself up in that.
[19:22] spies8jenny: Really shouldn't have stayed up until 7 am last night.
[19:23] spies8mary: I hope you were doing something fun.
[19:23] spies8mary: Boyfriends or good movies.
[19:24] spies8jenny: I was playing a game on my computer, and I remember beating it and getting to the credits, and then somewhere in the middle of the credits I started sleepwalking or something, because next thing I remember is being in bed.
[19:24] spies8jenny: Probably wasn't a good idea to stay up until 7 am finishing it, when I had work today.
[19:25] spies8mary: I spent most of last night hiding in the closet.
[19:25] spies8jenny: That sounds uncomfortable.
[19:25] spies8mary: Yes.
[19:35] spies8jenny: Ugh, I'm just starting to fall asleep here, I might just have to read up on this in the morning. Which I'd rather not considering tomorrow is exile.
[19:41] spies8jenny: Yaaaays, I'm finally caught up!

[Mary]

[18:04] spies8gertrude: Hey Mary. Can you fill me in on the discussion?
[18:04] spies8mary: It just started. It was only me and Chance.
[18:04] spies8gertrude: Oh, ok.
[18:05] spies8mary: And then everyone else arrived at once.
[18:09] spies8mary: I sense fifteen minutes of watching slow typing in our future.
[18:10] spies8mary: With an outside shot at one or two amusing remarks.
[18:10] spies8gertrude: Ha. I'm actually sitting in the dark right now, so my typing is slow as well.
[18:10] spies8mary: Sometimes I can see by the light of my skin, can't you?
[18:12] spies8gertrude: Can you translate what she just said?
[18:12] spies8mary: Did Chance vote Claude in the first episode?
[18:13] spies8gertrude: I think so.
[18:13] spies8gertrude: I know he didn't vote for Camilla.
[18:13] spies8mary: Yes, Chance voted Claude.
[18:14] spies8mary: So I guess she's saying OMGUS in a lot weirder words.
[18:15] spies8gertrude: Ah.
[18:15] spies8gertrude: Thank you.
[18:15] spies8mary: Chance's questioning is going well.
[18:16] spies8mary: I'm tempted to step in but I want to see him act.
[18:16] spies8gertrude: The questioning of him or him questioning Magalie?
[18:16] spies8mary: Him questioning Magalie.
[18:16] spies8mary: He expressed curiosity.
[18:16] spies8gertrude: Ah, k.
[18:17] spies8mary: This must be painful for you to watch as an English teacher.
[18:18] spies8gertrude: Ha.
[19:19] spies8gertrude: Why does everyone shut up when Claude and I bicker?
[19:21] spies8mary: I'm talking with a few people, sorry.
[19:21] spies8mary: Claude is also not fun to chat with when he's like this.

[Mary]

[19:14] spies8cory: Lol.
[19:14] spies8cory: Jenny is sketchy.
[19:14] spies8mary: I'm chatting with her now.
[19:14] spies8cory: I've been trying to get her to tell me whether or not she thought Alexei was sketchy
[19:15] spies8cory: And she dodged the question twice.
[19:15] spies8mary: I promised her I wouldn't ask her any more questions but I want to ask like five more.
[19:15] spies8cory: By dodging I mean she gave me responses that didn't answer my question
[19:15] spies8mary: I already asked about 100.
[19:15] spies8mary: Ask her who she suspects now on our side. I didn't get to ask that.
[19:15] spies8cory: She said Magalie
[19:15] spies8cory: I asked who she'd vote if she couldn't vote Magalie
[19:15] spies8cory: She said Claude
[19:16] spies8mary: Interesting. And Magalie and Claude are at each other's throats.
[19:17] spies8cory: What did you find out in your interrogation?
[19:17] spies8mary: Her explanation of the "giving up" thing is just like you said.
[19:17] spies8mary: When did you start talking with her today?
[19:18] spies8cory: 31 minutes ago
[19:18] spies8cory: But there were large gaps because I was talking to Chance
[19:18] spies8mary: Ok.
[19:18] spies8cory: I've been asking questions
[19:18] spies8cory: She hasn't asked me any
[19:18] spies8mary: She didn't ask me any either.
[19:18] spies8mary: I guess she knows I'm a Cit already.
[19:19] spies8mary: Or something.
[19:19] spies8cory: Lol she is sketchy
[19:19] spies8cory: Me: Also, what were your reasons for voting Zed over Alexei?
[19:19] spies8cory: Her: Zeddy came across as suspicious to me, and I wanted to wait a little longer on Lexi to make sure we weren't doing a summer rerun o Callahan from Spies6.
[19:19] spies8cory: doesn't answer the question
[19:19] spies8mary: She said she had no good options besides Zed at that last exile of Savannah.
[19:19] spies8mary: Yes, she's mentioned Callahan several times.
[19:21] spies8mary: She said she trusted Themba, Savannah and Allan and had to vote Stephanie or Zed and she chose Stephanie for some reason even though she suspects Zed a lot.
[19:21] spies8cory: I get a bad feeling from her.
[19:21] spies8cory: Are you still thinking about Chance as well?
[19:21] spies8cory: I'm not as suspicious of him now as I was before after talking to him
[19:21] spies8mary: I couldn't get him to say much.
[19:21] spies8cory: He's pissed at you. Lol.
[19:22] spies8mary: He didn't seem very interested in the state of things.
[19:22] spies8mary: Why?
[19:22] spies8cory: He thinks you're a Spy because you "came out of the woodwork" while he was away.
[19:22] spies8mary: I think he tried to get me exiled on day one.
[19:22] spies8cory: Really?
[19:22] spies8mary: In an underhanded manner.
[19:22] spies8mary: You've seen it, haven't you?
[19:22] spies8mary: Where he said "Have you all noticed everything comes around to Mary?"
[19:23] spies8mary: "Mary says Cory's pushy and doesn't give information."
[19:23] spies8mary: All that crap. If you read the chat carefully, it looks like he's trying to drum up suspicion.
[19:24] spies8cory: Oh yeah that siht
[19:24] spies8cory: Lol I forgot about that.
[19:24] spies8mary: So why does he think I came out of the woodwork when he was gone?
[19:24] spies8mary: I voted for him episode one and everyone knew why.
[19:25] spies8mary: And I couldn't episode two.
[19:25] spies8cory: He mentioned that he spoke with Nita earlier this morning
[19:25] spies8mary: Yes.
[19:25] spies8cory: And that he got it from her that you were going after him
[19:26] spies8mary: I tried to talk with him before everyone else was on and he didn't have much to say.
[19:26] spies8mary: What gives you a better feeling about him now?
[19:26] spies8cory: Well, I never really had much against the guy in the first place
[19:26] spies8cory: The main two points I had were:
[19:26] spies8mary: All he said to me was that Gertrude looks sketchy.
[19:26] spies8cory: 1) He was only focusing on Claude
[19:27] spies8cory: 2) His initial attack on Claude was total hypocracy
[19:27] spies8cory: Before I even got to talk to him he was saying he was going to put Claude on hold.
[19:27] spies8cory: He said Gertrude looks sketchy?
[19:27] spies8cory: He was saying to me that he admired her. Lol.
[19:28] spies8cory: Wait, why did he say Gertrude looks sketchy?
[19:28] spies8mary: spies8chance: one person that does stand out a bit there is gertie.
[19:28] spies8mary: spies8mary: Chance, do you draw any conclusions from the first two episodes and exile results?
spies8mary: From voting patterns or anything?
[19:28] spies8mary: What did he tell you about Gertrude?
[19:29] spies8cory: Looking it up now
[19:30] spies8cory: (07:53:10 PM) spies8chance: bah, i'm just going to say it, because it's bugging me. if claude wanted to make a case against gertie why did he wait for her to leave to do so.
(07:53:13 PM) spies8chance: okay, i'm done.
[19:30] spies8cory: (08:09:58 PM) spies8chance: is it bad that i'm kind of admiring gertie right now?
(08:10:08 PM) spies8Cory: Nope.
(08:10:13 PM) spies8chance: just checking.
[19:30] spies8cory: I didn't ask why but I'm pretty sure he was referring to her bitching out Claude in the chat
[19:36] spies8mary: I wouldn't say that's defending her.
[19:36] spies8cory: No, but it still catches me by surprise that he finds her sketchy
[19:36] spies8cory: What was his reason?
[19:37] spies8mary: That was just his response to my question about what he learned from the first two episodes and exile votes I think.
[19:37] spies8mary: And not much else.

[Mary]

[18:24] spies8claude: I can't make sense of what she is saying at all.
[18:24] spies8mary: Sam appears to have found a functional illiterate to play his game.
[18:24] spies8claude: haha
[18:24] spies8claude: She takes so long to answer anything
[18:24] spies8claude: I feel like she's being coached.
[18:25] spies8mary: Possible.
[18:25] spies8mary: She doesn't seem to understand the concepts she's talking about.
[18:26] spies8claude: I know, that's what I mean.
[18:26] spies8mary: She can't express a suspicion.
[18:26] spies8mary: Or her motivation in the game.
[18:26] spies8mary: Or her thoughts on your thought process.
[18:26] spies8claude: or anything.
[18:27] spies8mary: Chance and Jenny are talking.
[18:27] spies8mary: I was talking with Gertrude.
[18:27] spies8claude: Okay.
[18:27] spies8mary: Cory's been quiet for a while.
[18:40] spies8mary: Decent working theory would be that someone fed her Gertrude suspicions which she couldn't explain or back up.
[18:40] spies8mary: And now she's been fed Claude suspicions that she can't explain or back up.
[18:40] spies8claude: Yeah

[Mary]

[21:39] spies8mary: Hi.
[21:39] spies8Nita: Hola Mary
[21:39] spies8Nita: Tryin to get caught up on the board
[21:39] spies8Nita: How you doin?
[21:39] spies8mary: I have some questions for you when we have time.
[21:40] spies8mary: I caught up today. It was a lot of reading.
[21:40] spies8Nita: Tengo tiempo, now es okay
[21:40] spies8mary: I want to ask Magalie a few questions as well.
[21:40] spies8mary: You ok multitasking?
[21:40] spies8Nita: No but you got my attention
[21:40] spies8mary: I want to hear your opinion of Jenny.
[21:41] spies8mary: I went through her posts and group chats and she looks bad surrounding Alexei.
[21:41] spies8mary: And she doesn't seem very involved in hunting spies on this side.
[21:41] spies8Nita: Si, I agree
[21:42] spies8Nita: She ain't doin much to look for spies
[21:42] spies8Nita: She ain't a questioner
[21:42] spies8Nita: Everyone noticin that
[21:42] spies8Nita: Bout Alexei, I givin that some more thought
[21:42] spies8mary: She looked to be avoiding the topic of Alexei.
[21:42] spies8Nita: Problem es, we no know how many spies be on that side
[21:42] spies8mary: She changed the topic a few times.
[21:42] spies8mary: Avoided questions about him.
[21:43] spies8Nita: Outright change? I no rememberin that but maybe I ain't payin attention to it at the time
[21:43] spies8mary: Tina confronted her with direct contradictions and she ignored them.
[21:43] spies8mary: All to stay on Zed.
[21:43] spies8Nita: She ignore it when I say my case to her too
[21:43] spies8mary: For something that looks fairly silly to me.
[21:43] spies8Nita: I agreein. On the other hand she no votin Savannah y she right on that
[21:43] spies8Nita: So I no know what to do bout that
[21:43] spies8mary: What do you mean by outright change?
[21:44] spies8Nita: You say she change the topic
[21:44] spies8Nita: I no rememberin that but like I say, maybe I ain't payin attention to what she doin at the time
[21:44] spies8mary: Let me check to be specific.
[21:44] spies8Nita: Gracias
[21:45] spies8mary: From my notes.
[21:45] spies8mary: Comments on Steph's attacks on Dane but not on the massacre of Alexei.
[21:45] spies8mary: 12:15 Jenny's excited to have Alexei in the room, but asks him nothing
Reiterates that something Zed said was the only super strange thing she's seen.
[21:46] spies8mary: Alexei says he got fed bad info from Jenny about Dane
Jenny goes silent for 40 minutes until the end of the chat log
Reappears to say have a good night to Hambone once the Alexei attacks are over.
[21:46] spies8Nita: I'm also lookin up to see what she say bout Alexei when I tell her my points
[21:46] spies8Nita: I think I tell her my points before I post the case
[21:46] spies8mary: She said
[21:46] spies8mary: She hadn't read them
[21:46] spies8mary: Said she saw the Alexei thread from Nita/Tina but "havent gotten a chance to read it yet" 16:29.

[21:47] spies8mary: Returns 7 minutes later, inserts herself into the no exile tiff.
[21:47] spies8mary: No comment on Alexei.
[21:47] spies8mary: Anyhow, what have your thoughts been about her?
[21:48] spies8mary: For a Citizen hunter, do you feel she stood up for Savannah?
[21:48] spies8Nita: Un momento, I still lookin
[21:48] spies8mary: Ok.
[21:48] spies8Nita: I no ask her bout the case before I Post
[21:48] spies8Nita: I ask her opinion after I post it
[21:49] spies8Nita: She comment on the 4 points I post
[21:49] spies8mary: She didn't agree.
[21:49] spies8Nita: She say point 1 good
[21:49] spies8mary: I asked her tonight.
[21:49] spies8Nita: She say points 2-4 bein somethin she see both spies y cits do
[21:49] spies8mary: His exaggeration, his lack of curiosity.
[21:49] spies8mary: His flops on Zed, and not talking to his main suspects at all.
[21:50] spies8mary: Good case. She totally ignored it.
[21:50] spies8mary: Do you understand why Tina switched her vote late?
[21:50] spies8Nita: Si
[21:50] spies8Nita: Lookin up somethin again? un momento
[21:50] spies8mary: Ok.
[21:51] spies8Nita: Tina say she move her vote because she think Alexei may be town cause he say he switchin to votin Stephanie
[21:51] spies8mary: She switched to Zed?
[21:51] spies8Nita: Si
[21:52] spies8Nita: she say she think Alexei still goin but Zedekiah the right vote
[21:52] spies8mary: Any decent reasons?
[21:52] spies8Nita: She no tell me anythin but that
[21:52] spies8mary: I didn't like the Zed case much from afar.
[21:52] spies8Nita: That plus the HQ thin maybe
[21:52] spies8Nita: I no like it at all either
[21:52] spies8Nita: She say she no want to post she changin because she afraid zedekiah change his vote to Alexei y negate hers
[21:52] spies8mary: In fact I'll be surprised if he's a Spy, and he's still getting heat over there.
[21:52] spies8Nita: So she really want Zedekiah exiled. This be 18 minutes before votes due
[21:53] spies8mary: After that Savannah exile, what were you thinking about your team?
[21:54] spies8Nita: There a lot of things I thinkin after leavin the side
[21:54] spies8Nita: Made some notes tonight
[21:54] spies8Nita: I ain't good at identifyin bussin. When I play facebook mafia people no really do that so it confusin to me
[21:54] spies8mary: Have you been keeping up?
[21:54] spies8Nita: Si, por supuesto
[21:54] spies8Nita: I read everythin there, I know most the players
[21:55] spies8Nita: So I thinkin with that side
[21:55] spies8Nita: The person who push an alternative the hardest be Savannah
[21:55] spies8Nita: But she no do it till an hour before votes due
[21:55] spies8Nita: Y she a citizen
[21:56] spies8Nita: So if - if if if if - there spies on that side, what they doin?
[21:56] spies8mary: Jenny said the only choices were Allan, Themba, Savannah.
[21:56] spies8Nita: I talkin bout exile 1 not 2
[21:56] spies8mary: Not sure why Zed disappeared as an option if she still suspected him.
[21:56] spies8mary: Oh.
[21:56] spies8mary: Yeah I asked about that.
[21:56] spies8mary: Someone said Alexei wasn't around.
[21:56] spies8Nita: Si
[21:57] spies8Nita: Y when he around, he fightin with Zedekiah in 1 chat, fightin with dane in the other
[21:57] spies8Nita: Hambone y Stephanie, they post parts of conversations they have wit him
[21:57] spies8Nita: Rondak too
[21:57] spies8Nita: So who else doin what?
[21:57] spies8mary: Was the fight with Zed natural or forced?
[21:57] spies8Nita: I thought natural
[21:57] spies8Nita: Dos times
[21:58] spies8mary: See I don't see that as two spies.
[21:58] spies8mary: Why draw the attention?
[21:58] spies8mary: If they're both spies they're crazy.
[21:58] spies8Nita: si
[21:58] spies8mary: Natural fights with Dane too?
[21:59] spies8Nita: That be what i think
[21:59] spies8mary: Back to tomorrow's vote.
[21:59] spies8mary: Sorry for the detour.
[21:59] spies8mary: I'm thinking Magalie Chance Jenny.
[22:00] spies8mary: Outside chance Gertrude Cinnamyn.
[22:00] spies8mary: I want to talk with Chance more first. He just got back and was sick tonight.
[22:00] spies8Nita: [21:50] spies8dane: alexei
[21:50] spies8dane: today
[21:50] spies8dane: you broke sams rule
[21:51] spies8alexei: I know that
[21:51] spies8dane: voted me because of what one person told yhou
[21:51] spies8dane: and stuck by that point after hearing multiple people say they disagreed with it
[21:51] spies8dane: then you stated that you would vote out a cit because you didn't like them
[21:51] spies8dane: I change my vote to alexei
[21:51] spies8alexei: good for you
[21:51] spies8dane: yes
[21:51] spies8dane: good for me
[21:51] spies8alexei: does it look like I give a shit?
[21:52] spies8dane: you look old
[21:52] spies8alexei: and, that's relevant because?
[21:52] spies8dane: and you giving or not giving a shit is relevant because?

[22:01] spies8Nita: Look natural to me
[22:01] spies8mary: Yes,maybe.
[22:01] spies8mary: What do you think of Chance?
[22:02] spies8Nita: Today I tell Chance it look like him, Claude o Magalie gettin nominated
[22:02] spies8Nita: He say he thinkin bout changin to Magalie for self preservation
[22:02] spies8Nita: That be the only thing I got on him that you no already know
[22:02] spies8Nita: Mary
[22:02] spies8Nita: Fore we go any further I got a question for tu
[22:02] spies8mary: Ok.
[22:02] spies8Nita: Why you askin so many questions y never postin analysis?
[22:02] spies8mary: I like talking one on one.
[22:02] spies8Nita: What good be your questions if you no do nothin with it?
[22:02] spies8mary: I'm doing a lot with it.
[22:03] spies8mary: I've talked to pretty much all my suspects tonight and asked them about a lot of the things I found.
[22:03] spies8Nita: I no see nothin. This entire time, you no say much bout what you thinkin, you ain't tryin to convince me of nothin, you ain't presentin full cases on nobody
[22:03] spies8Nita: Y I see that all round
[22:03] spies8Nita: So while I think it great you askin questions, what you gonna do with the answers?
[22:03] spies8mary: Make sure you sound like a Citizen.
[22:03] spies8mary: First off.
[22:04] spies8mary: And if that pans out, maybe learn some new things from what you've got to say.
[22:04] spies8Nita: You advisin me to sound citizen o you sayin you askin questions to sound citizen?
[22:04] spies8mary: No, I'm gauging your responses.
[22:05] spies8Nita: Ain't understandin what you sayin
[22:05] spies8mary: I'm asking you questions to see the nature of your replies.
[22:05] spies8mary: And I also want to see if you have anything to add.
[22:05] spies8mary: What doesn't make sense?
[22:06] spies8mary: This is how the game is played.
[22:06] spies8Nita: I no understand you sayin you gaugin responses. Now I get what you tryin to say
[22:06] spies8mary: I hear from all around that you're a likely Citizen.
[22:06] spies8Nita: But if you been gaugin responses for 3 rounds, how come I no know what you findin? All I know es you suspect Chance y I know that from 1 post you make
[22:06] spies8Nita: I no have no idea what you thinkin bout everyone else
[22:06] spies8mary: I like your work in group chats and a post or two of yours and your general approach.
[22:07] spies8Nita: Gracias
[22:07] spies8mary: This is our second conversation that matters, I believe.
[22:07] spies8Nita: So for you, it ain't that you lookin for contradictions o nothin like that?
[22:07] spies8mary: I wouldn't expect you to know a ton about me.
[22:07] spies8Nita: You lookin for gut stuff y seein who payin attention?
[22:07] spies8mary: Right.
[22:08] spies8mary: A few contradictions work from time to time but they can also mess up Citizens.
[22:08] spies8mary: Who is paying attention is usually a better indicator of who's a curious Citizen.
[22:08] spies8Nita: I wanna hear what you got to say, but I also gonna say my problem wit that approach: you got a lot of lazy people playin this game
[22:08] spies8Nita: Por ejemplo, I no suspect Allan. But he ain't payin attention to nothin
[22:08] spies8mary: Get the lazy people on days you don't have a good suspect. Or leave them.
[22:08] spies8mary: Check their vote record.
[22:09] spies8mary: See if they're following anyone in particular over and over.
[22:10] spies8Nita: So what you findin from your talks wit people?
[22:10] spies8mary: I'm looking for your opinions on Magalie, Jenny and Chance.
[22:10] spies8Nita: Your = me or your = the groupo?
[22:10] spies8mary: You. And everyone.
[22:10] spies8Nita: I say what I think bout everyone en my main post but I go over it again
[22:11] spies8Nita: Magalie - I think exilin her, you no lose
[22:11] spies8Nita: She ain't payin attention. She contradictin. She lyin. She lazy.
[22:11] spies8Nita: Moment she lie bout Gertrude, I would have been all over that
[22:12] spies8Nita: Chance - Everythin I know bout him, I know from his posts
[22:12] spies8mary: You talked to him today, yes?
[22:12] spies8mary: A lot or a little?
[22:12] spies8Nita: Ain't got no logs wit him. I talk to him today but my computer act up y I lose the log
[22:12] spies8Nita: A little. Maybe 5 minutos
[22:12] spies8Nita: Then I gotta restart y then he gotta leave
[22:12] spies8mary: Magalie, do you think she's a Spy?
[22:12] spies8Nita: That be our only talk
[22:12] spies8Nita: Magalie, I think there a chance, si
[22:13] spies8mary: Better chance than average I imagine?
[22:13] spies8Nita: I think it be very easy to splain to the Republicans why we suspect her. I think it very easy to get her nominated because no one think she inocente. Y I think if she lyin y contradictin, there a better than average chance she a spy
[22:14] spies8mary: If she's a Citizen she's a disaster at endgame.
[22:14] spies8Nita: That too, si
[22:14] spies8mary: Which she would make it to.
[22:14] spies8Nita: So from that, you thinkin she a citizen
[22:14] spies8mary: No, but
[22:15] spies8mary: I think of all the people we could potentially misexile, she is the one I would not feel the least bit bad about.
[22:15] spies8Nita: Wit her, how you ever gonna find out for sure? Ain't no way of findin out for sure cause she ain't gonna be round enough to talk, she always not gonna know what goin on, y she makin a habit now of lyin y sayin "so what?"
[22:15] spies8mary: And I think she's done enough to actually act like a spy that there's a decent chance she is. At least 40-60 if not 50-50 in my opinion.
[22:15] spies8Nita: I also think she gonna be a huge distraction all game
[22:16] spies8mary: I think that's a pretty decent shot at a Spy with no downside.
[22:16] spies8Nita: So long as she there, she always gonna be the easy option
[22:16] spies8mary: Yes, she's soaking up valuable chat time.
[22:16] spies8Nita: Si.
[22:16] spies8Nita: The main way I say no es if there be someone who a more likely spy
[22:16] spies8mary: Right.
[22:16] spies8Nita: This group, we tired y we sad y we ain't lookin hard
[22:16] spies8mary: Which is why I want to know your opinions on Chance and Jenny.
[22:17] spies8mary: On Cinnamyn and Gertrude.
[22:17] spies8mary: We don't have any more time after this really, and I have to go to bed very soon.
[22:17] spies8Nita: So todo es what you sayin
[22:17] spies8Nita: Everybody
[22:17] spies8Nita: Well I askin you, who you really wanna exile mary
[22:17] spies8mary: Right now I would vote Magalie.
[22:17] spies8Nita: Not who you think will be or whatever. Deep down, who you wantin to exile?
[22:18] spies8mary: I'm not confident about the rest either.
[22:18] spies8mary: I think Chance has a very good chance of being a spy.
[22:18] spies8Nita: Then you gotta go wit that if you think it the right move
[22:18] spies8mary: I need to talk with him more first.
[22:18] spies8mary: I tried today.
[22:18] spies8Nita: If it no happen now, maybe it happen next round. But momentum's gotta come from somewhere, si?
[22:18] spies8Nita: Gotta get the ball rollin
[22:19] spies8mary: He was sick and only gave me halfhearted answers.
[22:19] spies8Nita: I think by now you got enough to use
[22:19] spies8Nita: You got 3 rounds wit the hombre
[22:19] spies8mary: He said other than Chance, only Gertrude was notable or something from the previous exile.
[22:19] spies8Nita: It either there or it ain't
[22:19] spies8mary: Not really.
[22:19] spies8mary: He totally abdicated last episode.
[22:19] spies8mary: And then went on 5 day vacation.
[22:19] spies8mary: And all he talked about for 5 days before that was Claude.
[22:20] spies8mary: I want to have a complete one on one.
[22:20] spies8mary: And get a feel for the guy.
[22:20] spies8Nita: Then you gotta think bout what that means. Y maybe you PM him, maybe you make it public, but you do somethin
[22:20] spies8mary: I tried today. It was just him and me and he was listless and then everyone else came in and he wanted to talk to Magalie instead.
[22:20] spies8mary: But he's around daytimes so I'll catch him tomorrow.
[22:21] spies8Nita: I ask you then: If he a spy y he think you suspectin him, how much access you think you gonna get?
[22:21] spies8mary: He's been dodging me, and sniped at me in the forums.
[22:21] spies8Nita: Then what make you think he gonna sit down for a cup of tea?
[22:21] spies8Nita: Y nice long chat?
[22:21] spies8mary: We'll see.
[22:22] spies8mary: I talked to Jenny a long time tonight.
[22:22] spies8Nita: You do what you think es right, but I sayin if you wait too long maybe it never happen
[22:22] spies8mary: I'll keep making my cases.
[22:22] spies8Nita: Bien
[22:22] spies8mary: If I get Imprisoned someone will remember.
[22:22] spies8Nita: Tryin
[22:22] spies8Nita: One last question
[22:23] spies8mary: Ok.
[22:23] spies8Nita: People really runnin around sayin I'm a cit?
[22:23] spies8mary: I see it in a lot of places.
[22:23] spies8Nita: Que lio, what a mess. I no wanna be imprisoned.
[22:23] spies8mary: The other side's group chats, people's general impressions here.
[22:23] spies8mary: Tell me about it.
[22:24] spies8Nita: Gracias chica.
[22:24] spies8mary: There's a good chance the doctor has your back.
[22:24] spies8Nita: Espero que si, I hope so
[22:24] spies8mary: I have my own thoughts on how to avoid Imprisonment.
[22:24] spies8mary: After learning the hard way several times.
[22:24] spies8Nita: Good luck wit that
[22:25] spies8mary: Make cases but do it the way that maximizes the benefit long-term.
[22:25] spies8mary: Give good info to Cits, be careful around Spies.
[22:25] spies8mary: And the Spies read forums.
[22:26] spies8mary: Goodnight, Nita.
[22:26] spies8Nita: Buenas noches

[Mary]

[13:46] spies8mary: Hi.
[13:46] sorintheseeker: hello
[13:46] spies8mary: I still can't get Claude to sit down with me for a therapy session.
[13:46] spies8mary: Did you read about my problems at the hospital?
[13:47] spies8mary: It was aeful.
[13:47] spies8mary: Awful.
[13:47] sorintheseeker: I didn't but I can imagine
[13:48] spies8mary: It's in my confessional.
[13:48] spies8mary: It turns out Dr. Crowhurst lied to me about us being engaged all along.
[13:48] spies8mary: So when he wasn't paying attention, I sat up in bed and put an icepick through his eye socket.
[13:49] spies8mary: Instant lobotomy.
[13:49] spies8mary: I told Cory and he didn't seem too surprised.
[13:49] sorintheseeker: oh cool
[13:49] spies8mary: I just want a good therapist to tell me it's ok to do bad things to people who lie.
[13:50] spies8mary: I'll talk to you more later. I have to hide in the closet now because the police are knocking.

[Mary]

[13:22] spies8mary: Hi.
[13:22] spies8chance: sup mary.
[13:23] spies8mary: Do you have time to talk?
[13:23] spies8chance: yeah, what's up?
[13:23] spies8mary: I want to hear your thoughts on my suspicions of you, and also I want to know who you suspect now.
[13:24] spies8chance: well, to be honest i think you're firmly in claude's back pocket. i don't know how much of that is me being suspicious of you and how much of that is me being annoyed that you seemed to wait until i was gone before attacking me.
[13:25] spies8mary: That's not true.
[13:25] spies8chance: maybe not, but it's the feeling i get.
[13:25] spies8chance: i come back and suddenly it's the 'claude and mary show'.
[13:25] spies8chance: but anyway.
[13:25] spies8mary: I voted for you first episode for a lot of the same reasons I'm talking about now.
[13:26] spies8mary: The only thing really added since then is that you didn't seem to try to find a suspect in Episode 2.
[13:26] spies8chance: which means you've either rejected my defenses of said reasons out of hand, or not listened to them.
[13:26] spies8mary: Ok.
[13:26] spies8mary: Here's how I saw it day one.
[13:26] spies8mary: You told everyone you wouldn't vote the people you liked.
[13:26] spies8mary: Like 6 people.
[13:26] spies8chance: as far as day one goes? yes.
[13:27] spies8mary: Then you seemed to try to turn those people against me in group chat.
[13:27] spies8mary: By calling me ruthless, worrisome
[13:27] spies8mary: Saying everything always came back to Mary.
[13:27] spies8chance: i called you ruthless because of a chat mafia game.
[13:27] spies8chance: first off.
[13:27] spies8mary: It made me sound really bad and that's on top of the inaccuracies.
[13:27] spies8mary: About Cory.
[13:28] spies8mary: Yes, but it all added up to me getting jumped hardcore.
[13:28] spies8chance: and yet no one voted you, or really even suspected you. if i'd thought you were suspicious i'd have pushed you for a lynch and that's that, isn't it?
[13:28] spies8mary: And if I was weak, I think I might have been exiled over it all.
[13:28] spies8chance: i disagree.
[13:28] spies8mary: It felt like a try to start a wagon.
[13:28] spies8mary: For really shady reasons.
[13:28] spies8chance: well, it wasn't. can't really say much other than that.
[13:28] spies8mary: Ok.
[13:28] spies8chance: hard to defend oneself against a 'feeling'.
[13:29] spies8mary: It was a long time ago.
[13:29] spies8chance: i apologize if i seem a bit snippy. i've had kind of a bad day.
[13:29] spies8mary: It's ok.
[13:29] spies8mary: Are you still sick?
[13:29] spies8chance: plus i have one heck of a sore throat.
[13:29] spies8mary: Yuck.
[13:29] spies8chance: i actually meant to ask you what you'd reccomment.
[13:29] spies8chance: *reccommend.
[13:29] spies8mary: Chloraseptic lozenges.
[13:29] spies8mary: The spray doesn't work for as long.
[13:29] spies8chance: any brand?
[13:29] spies8chance: like halls or whatever?
[13:30] spies8mary: Chloraseptic.
[13:30] spies8mary: Halls doesn't work as well.
[13:30] spies8chance: okay.
[13:30] spies8mary: So who are you thinking about voting tonight?
[13:31] spies8mary: I wanted to get a good Chance update before I considered voting you. We haven't talked in forever.
[13:32] spies8chance: well originally it was going to be you, i think. but that was probably going to be a lashing vote since i don't actually suspect you except for suspecting me, which is kind of bull.
[13:32] spies8chance: i thought mags looked pretty bad in last night's chat. there were a couple times i actually found myself agreeing with claude.
[13:32] spies8chance: which is odd.
[13:34] spies8chance: and i get a 'don't really care' attitude from allan's post in the voting thread.
[13:34] spies8chance: which bothers me.
[13:34] spies8mary: Magalie hasn't had a genuine suspicion all game.
[13:34] spies8mary: Yes, I noticed that.
[13:39] spies8mary: Do you have a second choice besides Magalie?
[13:40] spies8chance: probably rondak.
[13:40] spies8mary: Have you talked to him much?
[13:41] spies8chance: i suspect him and jenny for basically the same reasons, but i've gotten to talk to jenny since and she seemed forthright when i asked her questions.
[13:41] spies8chance: no, and that's why i'm not really keen on voting him. but then i haven't really seen him on at all either.
[13:41] spies8mary: What kinds of things did you ask Jenny about?
[13:41] spies8chance: the allan roleclaim, mostly.
[13:42] spies8mary: I asked her about her feelings about Alexei. She just plain seemed locked on Zed.

[Mary]

[14:27] spies8mary: Are you there?
[14:27] spies8claude: I am always here when you need me, Mary.
[14:27] spies8mary: It seems like Chance is searching for evidence to fit his conclusions.
[14:27] spies8claude: Yes.
[14:28] spies8claude: That is, in my estimation, exactly what he is doing.
[14:28] spies8mary: He claimed to find Magalie suspicious/bad based on the group chat last night.
[14:28] spies8mary: But didn't include her in his list of 6 spies.
[14:28] spies8mary: But is going to vote her.
[14:29] spies8mary: And when I ask why he has to go look for evidence.
[14:30] spies8claude: Yeah.
[14:31] spies8claude: Well, according to him, he didn't figure that out about Magalie until after he posted that list.
[14:31] spies8mary: Ok.
[14:31] spies8claude: Which I guess COULD be true
[14:32] spies8claude: But it's just another example of Chance's stories working out as conveniently as possible for him
[14:32] spies8mary: Chance was there last night.
[14:32] spies8mary: I think he left near the start of it.
[14:32] spies8mary: Hold on.
[14:32] spies8mary: I also noticed earlier today that he left during the fallout in Episode 1 group chat.
[14:33] spies8mary: When you grilled me about inaccurate statements Chance had made.
[14:34] spies8claude: Yeah
[14:35] spies8mary: spies8chance: ...you don't suspect anyone else even a little?spies8magalie: even a little...
spies8chance: ...
[14:35] spies8claude: That really bugged me
[14:35] spies8mary: spies8chance: i'm heading out for the night, guys. i still feel pretty cruddy. i'll be on tomorrow afternoon, though.
[14:36] spies8mary: He was there for the first half of it.

[Mary]

[14:57] spies8mary: We've been chatting for about an hour and Nita was here.
[14:57] Spies8Awohali: Did Nita continue to defend her No Exile vote?
[14:57] spies8mary: Jenny is still uninterested and watching.
[14:57] spies8mary: No, we didn't discuss that.
[14:58] spies8mary: Chance posted a list of 6 spies that didn't include Magalie.
[14:58] spies8mary: And then said he was probably voting Magalie.
[14:59] spies8mary: I have a bit of a problem with that. I asked him for his best evidence on Magalie and he went looking for it.
[14:59] Spies8Awohali: I have not yet gotten to that thrread, but that is very curious...
[14:59] spies8mary: Who are you leaning towards voting tonight and why?
[14:59] Spies8Awohali: I am abnout to try to engage Jenny in a conversation about suspicions publicly, after she is done posting her case defense
[15:00] Spies8Awohali: I am currently balanced between Jenny and Magalie. While I suspect Claude, I feel that now is a better time to go aftter one of those two people. Jenny makes more sense as a nomination given that 9 of them are familiar with her.
[15:00] spies8mary: Ok.
[15:02] Spies8Awohali: It is odd that Chance listed you orignally, before taking you off...
[15:03] spies8mary: He took me off while chatting with me.
[15:03] Spies8Awohali: Did he tell you why he suspects you?
[15:04] spies8mary: He said I jumped on him with Claude while he was gone.
[15:04] spies8mary: I pointed out that I voted for him while he was here.
[15:05] Spies8Awohali: Indeed... What did he say to that?
[15:05] spies8mary: Checking.
[15:06] spies8mary: [16:26] spies8chance: which means you've either rejected my defenses of said reasons out of hand, or not listened to them.
[15:07] Spies8Awohali: He is probably referring to the "pushy" comment debacle.
[15:07] spies8mary: He took me off his Spies list at 6:21
[15:08] spies8mary: Right before our conversation started, actually.
[15:08] Spies8Awohali: That... Does not make a great deal of sense.
[15:08] spies8mary: [16:22] spies8mary: Hi.
[16:22] spies8chance: sup mary.
[16:23] spies8mary: Do you have time to talk?
[15:10] spies8mary: Wow.
[15:10] Spies8Awohali: So he lists you as a suspect, then takes you off... Then talks to you after.
[15:10] spies8mary: [16:20] spies8mary: has joined the chat
[15:10] Spies8Awohali: Aah, now we are getting somewhere.
[15:11] spies8mary: I joined the group chat. Then I chatted him up immediately and while I was chatting him up he took me off his list.
[15:11] spies8mary: So weird.
[15:11] Spies8Awohali: I also find his last post to be odd: neutral - allan, jenny, mary
leaning spy - magalie, rondak
spy - claude
[15:12] Spies8Awohali: Yet he did not include Magalie in his 6 Spy post.
[15:12] spies8mary: Right.
[15:13] spies8mary: [16:51] spies8Nita: If magalie look worse why you no post her name half an hour ago?
[15:13] Spies8Awohali: And replaced you with Zedekiah, a guy he has not even met, rather than her
[15:13] spies8mary: [16:51] spies8chance: i didn't really give her much thought until mary asked me about her.
[15:14] spies8mary: I didn't ask him about her.
[15:14] Spies8Awohali: Did you call him on that?>
[15:14] spies8mary: Yes.
[15:14] Spies8Awohali: Did he cower?
[15:15] spies8mary: He kind of blew on past it.
[15:15] Spies8Awohali: Not the reaction I would expect a Citizen to have, for certain...
[15:15] spies8mary: I questioned Jenny last night.
[15:15] spies8mary: She didn't ask me a single thing in return.
[15:16] Spies8Awohali: I honestly do not believe that she is interested in Spy hunting
[15:16] Spies8Awohali: Whether or not it is because she is a Spy is up for debate... But she has not demonstrated a desire to hunt
[15:16] spies8mary: She just watches and answers if you pin her down.
[15:16] spies8mary: Nope.
[15:16] Spies8Awohali: Indeed... I do not like that approach
[15:17] spies8mary: I like my three choices for Spies tonight.
[15:17] spies8mary: It stinks that we might see none exiled.
[15:17] Spies8Awohali: Yes it does... I would have been much happier had each team Exiled someone tonight.
[15:17] Spies8Awohali: The other team, speaking of them...
[15:18] Spies8Awohali: When I departed early this afternoon, 4 votes had been cast, all for 4 different people... And not muh has changed since then. Although, I have noticed that Lilith seems to follow Tina's moves.
[15:18] spies8mary: People followed Tina like sheep.
[15:18] Spies8Awohali: Yes. I do not understand why they would do that.
[15:18] spies8mary: Jasmine didn't. I somewhat trust her.
[15:19] spies8mary: Chance still suspects her heavily.
[15:19] spies8mary: I asked if he'd followed her lately.
[15:19] spies8mary: He said no.
[15:19] Spies8Awohali: I am still wary of Jasmine... If Chance is a Spy, that would change greatly, though.
[15:19] spies8mary: If someone was in your top three Spy suspects, wouldn't you be watching them?
[15:20] Spies8Awohali: That is a very good question., I can not imagine not paying attentiopn to someone I suspect.
[15:20] spies8mary: claude, mary, jasmine, one of jenny/rondak, and two of the republicans that i haven't really looked at. (and Zed added later)
[15:20] spies8mary: He's all over Claude. Knows nothing about me.
[15:21] spies8mary: Knows nothing about Rondak.
[15:21] spies8mary: Had nice things to say about Jenny when I asked for reasons she's a spy.
[15:21] spies8mary: Knows nothing about Zed.
[15:22] spies8mary: He seems like a bright guy. I can't fathom the lack of suspicions.
[15:22] Spies8Awohali: Nor can I. It does not fit who he is, which I figured out by accident.
[15:22] spies8mary: He proved he could make a case if he wanted to.
[15:22] spies8mary: He's sitting on his laurels on that case alone.
[15:23] Spies8Awohali: Much like Magalie, in that regard. Looking only at Claude.
[15:23] spies8mary: Yes.
[15:23] Spies8Awohali: A pattern, perhaps...
[15:23] spies8mary: Mentioning others but having no reasons.
[15:23] spies8mary: Magalie mentioned Nita Steph Gertrude
[15:23] spies8mary: Nothing to back any of it up.
[15:24] Spies8Awohali: Ah, I beg to differ, she felt that Gertrude was an honest Citizen but truly suspected her to be a Spy. ...
[15:24] spies8mary: That's a joke, right?
[15:24] Spies8Awohali: It is, albeit not a great one
[15:24] spies8mary: I thought so.
[15:25] Spies8Awohali: A wise assumption at this point, is to consider everything I say about Magalie to not be serious
[15:25] spies8mary: Who would your list of six be?
[15:25] Spies8Awohali: I have been thinking heavily about this since the topic was posted...
[15:25] spies8mary: I didn't intend for it to be asked of everyone.
[15:26] spies8mary: I suspect I was killed in a previous game for posting a list like that.
[15:26] Spies8Awohali: I would certainly place Jenny, Magalie, and Claude on there... As for the others, I imagine that several are on the other team. Tina, Lilithm and Jasmine all interest me.
[15:26] spies8mary: I only asked Gertrude and Chance.
[15:27] spies8mary: Gertrude because she always tries to make hte people around her happy.
[15:27] Spies8Awohali: Two people who do not have a track record of suspecting more than one person, a good idea.
[15:27] spies8mary: Sorry, and Claude.
[15:27] spies8mary: Who has two suspects now.
[15:27] Spies8Awohali: Claude is making great headway, then!
[15:27] spies8mary: Yes.
[15:28] spies8mary: He expanded his horizons.
[15:28] spies8mary: Time for your session with Jenny.
[15:28] Spies8Awohali: Some day, he might even suspect several people at once.
[15:28] Spies8Awohali: Ah, here we go...
[15:28] spies8mary: I'm going to take a quick walk to wake up.
[15:28] spies8mary: I'll be back.
[15:29] Spies8Awohali: I shall be here; enjoy your walk.
[16:30] Spies8Awohali: In case you missed it, Jenny used ustati words to say but very usti in meaning.
[16:31] Spies8Awohali: Which is my way of syaing; she used many words to say relatively nothing.
[16:33] spies8mary: I scrolled up and I feel like I just watched a politician testify before Congress.
[16:33] Spies8Awohali: I can see where you would get that feeling. At least she did not state that she did not 'recall' something dozens of times.

[Mary]

[14:45] spies8claude: Awww
[14:45] spies8claude: You didn't say Chance :-(
[14:45] spies8claude: He's probably bussing Magalie anyway
[14:45] spies8claude: so, meh.
[14:45] spies8mary: I am considering a switch, but Magalie is the only person who's outright lied about their suspicions.
[14:45] spies8mary: And continues to.
[14:46] spies8mary: She's either a spy or a Citizen who has the potential to wreck this game.
[14:47] spies8claude: I honestly think that she's harmless
[14:47] spies8claude: But could simply be a Spy
[14:48] spies8mary: I guess if she's a Cit she could be a tool to draw out Spies.
[14:49] spies8mary: See who pushes her repeatedly.
[14:49] spies8mary: But I'm at least mildly supporting her exile and I don't think it's wrong to.
[14:50] spies8claude: I agree.