[12:21] spies8mary: Hi.
[12:28] spies8mary: I have a question for you.
[13:53] spies8jasmine: has joined the chat
[13:53] spies8margot: has joined the chat
[13:53] spies8margot: thanks, mary. was just about to invite myself in
[13:54] spies8jasmine: I just made a thread to discuss Isaac
[13:54] spies8jasmine: if anyone wants to respond, Im just curious to hear things
[13:54] spies8jasmine: I dont know what to think right now about him.
[13:56] spies8mary: I asked him before my phone rang and he said he was looking into Lilith.
[13:56] spies8mary: And he has a problem with Claude.
[13:56] spies8jasmine: And supposedly he had suspcions of me, he said?
[13:57] spies8mary: And Jasmine has gone way up on list list of suspects ever since she blatantly addmitted to not wanting to read arguments by people she doesn't like which is complete BS and screws the rest of us.
[13:57] spies8mary: I'm off the phone now.
[13:57] spies8jasmine: I don't see it as a problem, Chance is spy to me.
[13:57] spies8jasmine: I'm not reading his response/claims on someone we dont want to lynch this round
[13:58] spies8isaac: has joined the chat
[13:58] spies8jasmine: espically when one makes it 16 pages in length
[13:58] spies8mary: Margot, how long are you online for now?
[13:58] spies8mary: Are you in a hurry?
[13:58] spies8margot: i can stay online for another hour
[13:58] spies8mary: What do you think of Chance?
[13:58] spies8mary: And Claude?
[13:59] spies8margot: Chance is very high on my list because of his save. It could mean one of two things; that he's a spy and because we were all suspicious of him and he was a target at the first exile that this pro-spy role would try to keep him around in the hopes that he could turns things around
[13:59] spies8margot: or he's a citizen that the spies want to keep around in the hopes that it'll take the target off of themselves
[14:00] spies8mary: My take on him right now is that he is only commenting on Claude because either he's painted himself in a corner
[14:00] spies8mary: Or because he is happy with the way exile looks for tonight.
[14:01] spies8mary: Which makes me skeptical of all the Margot votes.
[14:01] spies8mary: Has Chance pushed a Margot exile at all?
[14:01] spies8jasmine: Yet only one person actually posted that they are voting her 100%
[14:01] spies8jasmine: Lawrence.
[14:01] spies8jasmine: lol
[14:01] spies8margot: cinnamyn also has made a suspicion vote against me
[14:02] spies8margot: at both exiles
[14:02] spies8margot: i suspect Claude less than the first round because of the role claim
[14:03] spies8margot: even if he still pushed for me when he made such a claim >_>
[14:04] spies8margot: i know from my vote in the tallies thread that it seems like i've given up. well, i've constantly seen my name come up, and i am a citizen, goddammit. it sure is a lot of fun to be stuck in this group where a majority is against you and is going to vote you off
[14:05] spies8margot: when you know that it's just not right. i am a citizen, may god strike me down right now
[14:05] spies8isaac: I'm just curious Margot as to why make that comment at all. Especially with you already a suspect in other peoples minds. How in the world would it help oyou?
[14:05] spies8jasmine: I just heard lightening.
[14:06] spies8margot: because i was frustrated and i didn't censor myself, isaac.
[14:06] spies8margot: cool, jazz. we had a bad storm last night with lots of lightning
[14:06] spies8margot: to say, "Golly you guys! I think it's Gertrude!"
[14:07] spies8margot: "It sure would be swell if you didn't vote for me!"
[14:07] spies8margot: "Let's go hang out at the malt shop!"
[14:07] spies8isaac: Ok, I can understand that. But when you posted good and well thought out explanations to Awo's posts(Which really were good answers by the way) it seems like a huge contratiction to argue your beliefs in one post and not care enough in another post to even care. Just trying to figure out where you're coming from is all
[14:08] spies8isaac: lol....now I want ice cream...damn you Margot
[14:08] spies8mary: Margot, who would you say your top three suspects are?
[14:08] spies8mary: Same question to you, Isaac.
[14:08] spies8margot: not just yet, isaac. we need to hop in the mystery machine to solve a case at a haunted house
[14:09] spies8margot: totally understand, isaac. maybe i shouldn't have seem dejected in one post and yet argumentative and concise in the other, but at the moment i posted in the vote tallie thread, i was dejected
[14:10] spies8jasmine: Isaac please reply to this thread:
spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=dems&thread=508&page=1[14:10] spies8margot: Mary, my top three suspects are Chance and Gertrude
[14:10] spies8margot: the third one would have to be Lilith
[14:10] spies8margot: because i don't have a read on her
[14:10] spies8mary: Why Lilith?
[14:10] spies8mary: Ok.
[14:10] spies8mary: So you think everyone else is more citizenish?
[14:10] spies8margot: *is currently reading cinnamyn's lilith thread*
[14:10] spies8mary: Ok.
[14:11] spies8margot: i think some people are more citizenish than others. i don't think Magalie is a spy or Cory
[14:11] spies8jasmine: Cory did vote for Camilla.
[14:12] spies8isaac: Ok, then I can understand that. Was just finding it very odd that you care once and then not at all so trying to see what to belive. It's nice though because we've heard more from you in the last 3 real days then the whole game. Everyone trusts no one so far so don't feel like the world is out to get you just yet. We all have questions and suspicions, just trying to clear things up, so thanks for the honest answer
[14:12] spies8jasmine: And magalie hasn't done much spy hunting yet.
[14:12] spies8mary: Margot, do you have a read on Isaac?
[14:12] spies8mary: Or Jas or me?
[14:12] spies8isaac: Ok Jasmine...checking it out now...hold on
[14:12] spies8margot: that read would be based on his post in the second exile thread. unfavorable personally, but not indicative of being a spy truthfully
[14:13] spies8margot: i like jasmine, and i think she's a citizen at the moment. will have to reread what others have said about her in the other threads
[14:14] spies8margot: Mary, i do not think you are a spy. i like you, and at the moment, i'm leaning towards citizen with you
[14:14] spies8margot: and like with jasmine, i'll have to reread what others have said about you in the threads
[14:15] spies8lawrence: has joined the chat
[14:16] spies8lawrence: Afternoon, everyone.
[14:16] spies8margot: hey lawrence
[14:17] spies8jasmine: LAwrence, please read the issac thread if you have the chance. I want some thoughts on the man. :-\
[14:17] spies8lawrence: Sure thing.
[14:20] spies8mary: Isaac, what are your problems with Claude?
[14:24] spies8isaac: I have several problems with claude all of which I've made pulic. But I'll quickly list them all here.
[14:25] spies8isaac: 1) I find it odd he role claimed day 2. The way he claimed and stated it as well means nothing alignment wise to us so it's no real help.
[14:26] spies8isaac: 20 the certainty in which he believed people to be spies day one. I noticed after Cam disappeared he didn't really mention the whole "lynch me if she's town tomorrow" argument ever again in any great detail....odd
[14:27] spies8isaac: 3) What the heck is his problem with chance. Those two are going at it like a cat and dog and making no headway.
[14:28] spies8lawrence: I'll be honest, Jasmine, he hadn't really hit my radar. But you do bring up some good points; I'll have to do some investigation.
[14:28] spies8isaac: 4) using facts from what others have heard to base your thinking on without verifying it youself seems odd
[14:28] spies8mary: Lawrence, what's your take on Margot?
[14:28] spies8lawrence: Hesitant?
[14:28] spies8isaac: lol
[14:29] spies8lawrence: She seems a little better with her piost frenzy this afternoon.
[14:29] spies8jasmine: piost frenzy?
[14:29] spies8jasmine: oh post frenzy
[14:29] spies8jasmine: nevermind
[14:29] spies8jasmine: :-)
[14:29] spies8lawrence: I'm trying to deciode if its enough to change my vote or not.
[14:29] spies8jasmine: I'm in teh same boat Lawrence.
[14:29] spies8mary: Margot, do you know Lawrence at all?
[14:29] spies8margot: we've talked before, yes
[14:30] spies8mary: Any opinion of him?
[14:30] spies8jasmine: Isaac, please review the thread I posted...And maybe respond??
[14:31] spies8cory: has joined the chat
[14:31] spies8jasmine: Hello Cory.
[14:31] spies8mary: Hi Cory.
[14:31] spies8cory: Yo.
[14:31] spies8margot: well, i wish he wouldn't vote for me for exile, that's for sure
[14:31] spies8isaac: LOL, on it Jasmine. had to respond to margot's post in the vote tallies and put up some chat log there so people will know what happened
[14:31] spies8cory: Ahah, Margot
[14:31] spies8margot: thanks for that, isaac
[14:31] spies8margot: hello, cory
[14:31] spies8jasmine: :-) Is it really funny?
[14:32] spies8lawrence: Jas-that last post in Isaac--are you seeing him more as spy because of his response to someone you think is spy, or does Margot's alignment not come into play?
[14:32] spies8cory: So, Margot, are you still thinking Gertrude is a Spy?
[14:32] spies8margot: for the time being, yes.
[14:32] spies8jasmine: It's because I do suspect Margot.
[14:32] spies8jasmine: And him being diplomatic about it, but also
[14:32] spies8jasmine: He always plays the fence
[14:32] spies8jasmine: It's becoming a bit scummy.
[14:32] spies8mary: Jasmine and I compared notes and it didn't look like Isaac's suspicions are consistent.
[14:33] spies8jasmine: Not at all.
[14:33] spies8jasmine: if you note the converstion, at one point margot isnt even in his top 3
[14:33] spies8lawrence: How sudden are the changes though?
[14:33] spies8jasmine: and then as soon as margot psots her vote
[14:33] spies8jasmine: he jumps on her
[14:33] spies8lawrence: ok, that is pretty quick then.
[14:34] spies8jasmine: yes, it is.
[14:34] spies8jasmine: very odd.
[14:34] spies8jasmine: imo.
[14:34] spies8margot: and out of nowhere, really.
[14:34] spies8margot: i don't believe we have really chatted before, isaac
[14:34] spies8jasmine: He's basing it on you wanting to vote out Gertrude, and not really fighting to stay.
[14:34] spies8mary: spies8mary: Isaac didn't mention Margot to me in his list of suspects when I asked him.
spies8mary: Did he mention her to you?
spies8mary: He also ignored my question about Lilith.
spies8jasmine: He didn't mention her until she made her post to lynch gertrude.
[14:35] spies8isaac: Well not no where. I've mentioned it a few time in group chats....with some of you present actually so I find it odd we think it's out of no where
[14:35] spies8jasmine: ^ Which can be seen in the first post, I posted a bit of a convo with isaac.
[14:35] spies8jasmine: Well, mary has a a convo bit--in my 2nd post, that says your top three
[14:35] spies8jasmine: and margot wasnt on there.
[14:35] spies8lawrence: Heh...reading Isaac's post in the vote tallies thread; it was right about the time Margot said god srike her down we had a torrentiaal downpour/thunderstorm.
[14:36] spies8jasmine: :-P
[14:36] spies8margot: haha, lawrence. coincidence? : O
[14:37] spies8lawrence: I guess since you're still here, nothing actually hityou.
[14:37] spies8margot: ^_^
[14:37] spies8isaac: Margot has been a suspicion but what I think you may be focusing on is the fact that since day one Cnace and Claude have pretty much had the top tow spots on my list. So yes, I openly admit that last comment of Margot's made her bump up to number three. Chance and claude are going no where yet on my list though si that only means room for one person to jump around...lol
[14:38] spies8mary: What do you think of Jasmine, Isaac?
[14:38] spies8jasmine: Yea, I thought I was on your suspect list. Why did I jump down?
[14:39] spies8jasmine: Is it because Lawrence didn't vote me--but voted Margot instead?
[14:39] spies8lawrence: Should I sitch and find out for sure, Jasmine?
[14:39] spies8lawrence: switch
[14:39] spies8jasmine: Wouldn't bother me any.
[14:40] spies8jasmine: I'm not liking the lack of responses.
[14:40] spies8mary: I'll be right back. I need to catch up on the forums.
[14:40] spies8margot: to the issac thread? I'll respond, jazz
[14:40] spies8jasmine: To that, and he isn't responding in here.
[14:40] spies8jasmine: Isaac needs to just clairfy things, but isn't.
[14:40] spies8jasmine: -_-
[14:40] spies8cory: He was typing a response to me.
[14:40] spies8cory: Lol.
[14:41] spies8jasmine: Still?
[14:41] spies8cory: not anymore
[14:41] spies8isaac: You people think I can type multiple conversations at once....I'm not that talented yet...lol
[14:41] spies8jasmine: spies8jasmine 5:10 pm
(5:10:04 PM): Isaac please reply to this thread:
spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=dems&thread=508&page=1[14:41] spies8jasmine: It's been over a half hour.
[14:41] spies8jasmine: Just an FYI.
[14:42] spies8isaac: Anyway, after talking to you in private Jasmine yes, Margot got bumped up over you. Really the thing I hated about you earlier is the fact that you openly admitted to not even bothering reading an argument made from someone because you don't like them. I think thats terrible
[14:42] spies8jasmine: It wasn't just because I didn't like him.
[14:43] spies8jasmine: I think he is spy, and we cannot lynch him or the person he is accusing in that long ass(he said 16 pgs in word) thread.
[14:43] spies8jasmine: Claude has a role
[14:43] spies8jasmine: it's dumb to lynch him at this point.
[14:43] spies8jasmine: I'm not wasting my time on it, at this point.
[14:43] spies8jasmine: That is all.
[14:43] spies8jasmine: I'll read it in the future if I need to.
[14:43] spies8jasmine: I didn't care to last night, or to tonight.
[14:43] spies8jasmine: I'm focusing on whomever we can lynch.
[14:44] spies8jasmine: I have other things to do, and don't have time to waste reading something that is pointless at this point.
[14:44] spies8cory: Regardlss of alignment?
[14:44] spies8isaac: I understand that, but penly admitting to not even bothering reading the argument because it's current;y not in the best interest of the game is a waste. Are you telling me you'll care more about it three weeks from now when we can't even remember what why it was important?
[14:44] spies8jasmine: Of who's alignment?/
[14:44] spies8cory: Lynching whomever we can lynch.
[14:44] spies8cory: What exactly does that mean?
[14:45] spies8jasmine: I'll worry about everyone BUT Claude and Chance.
[14:45] spies8jasmine: Because we aren't lynching them this time.
[14:45] spies8lawrence: That is better way to say what you said last night; though I'm not sure I agree with it still.
[14:45] spies8jasmine: I suspect other people, so I'll worry about them.
[14:45] spies8jasmine: Thats fine fi you dont agree with it
[14:45] spies8jasmine: I just dont have the time to care so much about their stupid fight that is pointless for me, personally, at this point. with my lack of time as it is.
[14:46] spies8isaac: Now see if that was your argument for stating why you wouldn't read it I'd have understood more. It's just the way you said it last night seemed that you couldn't be bothered and that the rest of us shouldn't waste our time. Seemed odd
[14:46] spies8mary: I spent an hour on that stupid thread last night and it burst a blood vessel in my left eye.
[14:46] spies8jasmine: That is exactly what I meant to say, if I didn't actually say it--sorry. but I swear i did, if not something close to it.
[14:47] spies8jasmine: Do you see how diplomatic you are though Isaac?
[14:47] spies8jasmine: "Now see if that was your argument for stating why you wouldn't read it I'd have understood more. It's just the way you said it last night seemed that you couldn't be bothered and that the rest of us shouldn't waste our time. Seemed odd"
[14:47] spies8jasmine: Just right there.
[14:47] spies8jasmine: :-\ I'm not sure if its your personality.
[14:47] spies8isaac: LOL, just got the impression you refused because you didn't like Chance in general and I thought that was a terrible reason...lol
[14:47] spies8jasmine: Or what to think.
[14:47] spies8margot: so political
[14:48] spies8jasmine: That wasn't the sole reason. Though I do dislike him.
[14:48] spies8isaac: lol, you aren't alone. Just got the impression that was the main reason
[14:48] spies8jasmine: Thats fine.
[14:48] spies8jasmine: So what is the entire reason Margot jumped
[14:48] spies8jasmine: on your radar
[14:48] spies8jasmine: From #4, potentially, to #3?
[14:52] spies8isaac: That comment. From everything I'd heard of so far Margot was mainly suspicious because of inactivity or her one to two sentence responses so far. Kinda seemed even before day one ended that she was ready to accept whatever fate held for her. Then not hearing much of anything from her all of day two and that vote with the random statement at the end of of really made me take notice. My thinking was if she's a spy, then she has given up and her team is selling her down the river. If she's a citizen, why not be bothered enough to fight a bit more for your life. Also, again why even say that?
[14:53] spies8isaac: Not lots to go on i know but enough for me to take notice
[14:53] spies8jasmine: Maybe I just don't get why a spy would give up, and why you think she is giving up? Margot? Are you giving up?
[14:53] spies8margot: i am not giving up
[14:53] spies8isaac: I don't feel that way anymore.
[14:53] spies8jasmine: Then who do you think it is
[14:54] spies8jasmine: If you dont think I am anymore, ebcause you misread me yesterday
[14:54] spies8jasmine: and you dont think margot isnt givng up now
[14:54] spies8jasmine: and you cant vote chance
[14:54] spies8isaac: NNot after reading her argument in Awo's thread and chatting with her here. But how can you read that statement at the end of the vote and not assume she had given up?
[14:54] spies8jasmine: and claude has a role--so its dumb at this point
[14:54] spies8jasmine: I guess I just didn't
[14:54] spies8jasmine: but now im curious who you suspect if all this just diminished for you.
[14:56] spies8jasmine: And i think it's getting suspecting that now that im questioning isaac, margot is a mute again.
[14:56] spies8jasmine: -_-
[14:56] spies8jasmine: i dont know what to think..
[14:56] spies8isaac: Easy, as I've mentioned before I have a hard time getting an honest read on Magalie. I've mentioned her before to others as well and I think some have the same problem with her. She was pretty non-existant day one and day 2 she was rude and offensive. But once questions flew her way she perked right up and starting explaining. I find that kind of behavior very odd
[14:56] spies8lawrence: Ugh...I'm tempted to vote for Brody now. You guys aren't helping me any, you know.
[14:56] spies8margot: sorry, i've been having a quick bite and getting ready to leave
[14:57] spies8margot: and waiting for isaac's homer-esque responses
[14:57] spies8isaac: lol....Oh Lawrence I'm sorry to use logic and reasoning to clear things up. I'll try to use small words for you...lol
[14:57] spies8jasmine: I fine it off behavior that you jumped on the margot bus when she posted that but idk what to think at this point.
[14:57] spies8lawrence: Gee, thanks for that.
[14:58] spies8margot: yeah. i think you might have answered this already, isaac, but we haven't really talked at all
[14:58] spies8margot: maybe briefly in a group chat
[14:58] spies8isaac: I just told you what I think. Also I wouldn't say jumped on the Margot bus as I was clearly riding somewhere in the back for qquite some time now...lol
[14:58] spies8margot: so that was a little weird
[14:58] spies8lawrence: brb.
[14:59] spies8isaac: So it's not just me who thinks that, right Margot? I mean it just seemed so off from everything else she had given us so I found it interesting
[14:59] spies8margot: so you've been suspicious of me before this exile
[14:59] spies8margot: and you used my comment to cement a vote
[14:59] spieschatcamera: has joined the chat
[15:00] spies8cory: Lol. wtf
[15:00] spies8isaac: Indeed Margot, day one somewhere i found you're short response to something very strange from such a quite player....assumed you were busy and since I hadn't even talked to you yet just kept that in the back of my head
[15:00] spies8margot: i've said before that i'm an emotional person, so at the moment i made that post in the tallies thread it had a whiff of dejection, though the thought of even quitting the game had not crossed my mind
[15:00] spies8margot: hey spieschatcamera
[15:01] spies8margot: i'm not a quitter, and i don't want to make it seem like i was giving up
[15:01] spies8isaac: LOL, thats good to hear. games like this are always fun. Besides you can't quit your first one.
[15:01] spies8margot: datz not how i roll
[15:02] spies8margot: i was busy back then. i'm always busy. i'm just in a little bit of downtime before i head off
[15:02] spies8jasmine: Lawrence?
[15:02] spies8jasmine: Why are you thinking of a brod vote?
[15:02] spies8jasmine: at this point.
[15:04] spies8margot: i think he said he was away for a little bit "brb."
[15:04] spies8jasmine: Ah.
[15:08] spieschatcamera: has left the chat
[15:11] spies8margot: 'kay, i really gotta get going now. won't be online tonight for the live exile, and i just hope that i'm here for the next day
[15:12] spies8margot: good chatting with you all
[15:12] spies8margot: later
[15:12] spies8jasmine: Bye Margot.
[15:12] spies8jasmine: Good luck gurl.
[15:12] spies8margot: thanks, jazz
[15:13] spies8margot: has left the chat
[15:14] spies8lawrence: Jas, it's because with you and Marghot stepping up to the plate, he seems like the next best to me. But as I said in mt thread, he's gut cjeck only. So I dunno what to do.
[15:15] spies8cory: has left the chat
[15:16] spies8jasmine: I'm honestly thnking about bouncing back to Margot.
[15:16] spies8jasmine: I'm between margot and maybe isaac.
[15:16] spies8jasmine: but im starting to think an isaac lynch
[15:16] spies8jasmine: may be rash.
[15:16] spies8mary: Lawrence, imwo you should make a post about Broderick if you suspect him.
[15:16] spies8jasmine: I agree.
[15:16] spies8lawrence: I did.
[15:17] spies8jasmine: Is there anything solid on him, yet?
[15:17] spies8lawrence: He was the first one in mt 5 cases.
[15:17] spies8lawrence: No. That's why I said it was gut.
[15:17] spies8jasmine: Gotcha.
[15:17] spies8lawrence: He seems to ask clarifyng questions, but hasn't really broached anything of his own.
[15:17] spies8lawrence: ND THATS REALLY ALL i GOT.
[15:18] spies8lawrence: Caps, sorry.
[15:18] spies8mary: Larry Fatfingers.
[15:18] spies8lawrence: You try typing with one arm.
[15:18] spies8jasmine: How long is the break once we do this lynch? Does anyone know?
[15:19] spies8mary: Wow, Lawrence, you type really well for having one arm.
[15:19] spies8lawrence: Probably 2-3 days, but can't say for sure.
[15:19] spies8lawrence: I've had years.
[15:19] spies8jasmine: It's Friday, Saturday at least--right?
[15:19] spies8jasmine: He did post that?
[15:19] spies8mary: Half your arms.
[15:19] spies8mary: And you type better than Magalie does with half a brain.
[15:20] spies8mary: Did you lose it doing a magic trick?
[15:20] spies8lawrence: But I have to watch the kryboard, so mistakes crop up from time to time.
[15:20] spies8mary: The old "watch while I saw my own arm off" trick?
[15:20] spies8lawrence: No, car accident. But the rehab got me in to magic.
[15:21] spies8mary: There aren't too many things you need both arms for.
[15:22] spies8mary: Tying your shoes must suck.
[15:23] spies8mary: It must be hard to wash your arm.
[15:23] spies8lawrence: Shoes nowadays don't all have laces.
[15:23] spies8mary: Or cut your nails on that hand.
[15:23] spies8mary: How do you do that?
[15:24] spies8lawrence: And that...yeah, I've got a tool for that.
[15:24] spies8lawrence: The nails I need someone else to do though.
[15:24] spies8mary: Chopping vegetables would be a pain.
[15:24] spies8mary: They'd fly all over the place.
[15:24] spies8lawrence: Not so much. Got a kitchen vise.
[15:24] spies8lawrence: Stirring is actually harder.
[15:25] spies8mary: Pants with buttons.
[15:25] spies8mary: Shirts with buttons?
[15:25] spies8lawrence: Bowls keep sliding.
[15:25] spies8lawrence: Not too bad, no.
[15:25] spies8mary: Flossing your teeth must be hard.
[15:25] spies8lawrence: Keep in mind, I've been like this over 30 years.
[15:26] spies8lawrence: Tools for that now too.
[15:26] spies8mary: There should be a law that Larry can't talk on the cell phone and drive at the same time.
[15:27] spies8lawrence: There is.
[15:27] spies8mary: That's pretty amazing that you can do all those things.
[15:27] spies8lawrence: I actually don't usually drive though.
[15:28] spies8lawrence: All right. Dinner time for the fatty. Be back later.
[15:29] spies8mary: Bye Lawrence.
[15:41] spies8claude: looks like I missed a bit.
[15:41] spies8claude: Reading up
[15:41] spies8mary: Hi.
[15:42] spies8jasmine: Hello.
[15:42] spies8mary: The forums are hopping as well.
[15:43] spies8isaac: Forums are very happening yes....hard to keep up with it all
[15:46] spies8gertrude: has joined the chat
[15:47] spies8gertrude: Hey there, everyone!
[15:47] spies8jasmine: I posted my vote, as of now.
[15:47] spies8isaac: Hello Gerite
[15:47] spies8jasmine: Goodluck to all.
[15:47] spies8jasmine: Hey Gertrude.
[15:47] spies8mary: Hi.
[15:48] spies8mary: Gertrude, we had three lurkers online all at once.
[15:48] spies8jasmine: It was amazing. =)
[15:48] spies8gertrude: Oh, I missed it?
[15:48] spies8mary: Four if you count Claude.
[15:48] spies8mary: Who is the ultimate lurker.
[15:48] spies8jasmine: Mary and me were the shit.
[15:49] spies8jasmine: I love mary.
[15:49] spies8jasmine: spies8mary 5:50 pm
(5:50:54 PM): You act like a girl.
spies8jasmine 5:51 pm
(5:51:04 PM): Thanks mary!
(5:51:06 PM): I love you.
spies8mary 5:51 pm
(5:51:12 PM): Your procedures are working well.
[15:49] spies8jasmine: <3
[15:49] spies8mary: Margot said her top three suspects were Chance, Gertrude and Lilith I think.
[15:50] spies8mary: She doesn't know Isaac or Lawrence.
[15:51] spies8gertrude: I'm reading up on the Burg
[15:51] spies8gertrude: Did Lilith show up today?
[15:51] spies8mary: No.
[15:51] spies8isaac: Not that I ama aware of
[15:52] spies8mary: She is like an earthquake.
[15:52] spies8mary: You would have felt her.
[15:52] spies8jasmine: That is Cinnamyn?
[15:52] spies8jasmine: huh?
[15:53] spies8gertrude: Lilith.
[15:53] spies8jasmine: oh.
[15:53] Spies8Awohali: has joined the chat
[15:53] spies8jasmine: welcome.
[15:53] Spies8Awohali: Greetings and salutations, everyone.
[15:53] spies8isaac: Hey Awohali
[15:53] spies8gertrude: Hey there, Awohali!
[15:53] spies8mary: Hi.
[15:53] Spies8Awohali: Have I missed anything grand since earlier this afternoon?
[15:54] spies8mary: Where have you been flying around to?
[15:54] Spies8Awohali: Mostly to my nest, although I did have a nice flight over a lake earlier.
[15:54] spies8claude: Sigh
[15:54] spies8claude: I'm starting to feel like Margot is just another Camilla
[15:55] Spies8Awohali: As am I. I do not wish to vote her if it can be helped.
[15:55] spies8gertrude: I think I agree. I'm not sure.
[15:55] spies8gertrude: I keep second-guessing myself.
[15:55] spies8claude: I really dislike giving people a pass based on what is conceivably bad play.
[15:55] spies8isaac: It's hard to get a solid reading on her especially since she can't seem to make up her own mind
[15:56] Spies8Awohali: Right, and the fact that she is not often on AIM makes the problem two-fold.
[15:56] spies8claude: Blahhhh
[15:56] spies8claude: I really just want to lynch Chance so freaking badly.
[15:56] spies8isaac: Well she just left like 20 minutes ago
[15:56] spies8claude: And I disagree with everyone that takes issue with Jasmine's attitude toward Chance's post.
[15:57] spies8isaac: Excuse me?
[15:57] spies8isaac: Why exactly?
[15:57] spies8claude: If you think someone is a Spy, and they are making a case on someone that not only you don't think is a Spy, but isn't going to be lynched today anyway, her reaction is understandable.
[15:57] spies8mary: Claude is saying that Broderick and Chance should start a club.
[15:57] Spies8Awohali: Isaac, you should not be surprised, this is a Chance/Claude issue we are talking about here.
[15:57] spies8mary: Bores Anonymous.
[15:57] spies8claude: Hmm? I don't really have problems with Broderick.
[15:58] Spies8Awohali: Cloudy with a Chance of Bordeom.
[15:58] Spies8Awohali: But I do not find them to be boring, personally.
[15:58] spies8isaac: I'm just kind of surprised claude agrees with the attitude of Jasmine's stance. I think if a valid point or argument are brought forth then they sould be examined then when it's fresh. Not three weeks later after everyone forgets and can't really be bothered
[15:59] spies8claude: You should have said 'Claudy with a Chance of boredom'...very punny.
[15:59] spies8isaac: An afternoon nap session with Broderick huh.....could be a cool class
[15:59] spies8claude: Maybe your prespective is different because you are not convinced that Chance is a Spy.
[15:59] Spies8Awohali: I considered that, but I did not wish you insert you into the Bordeom discussion.
[15:59] spies8jasmine: I'm back
[16:00] spies8jasmine: and just so you know isaac
[16:00] spies8jasmine: it isn't going to be 3 fucking weeks
[16:00] spies8jasmine: its one round
[16:00] spies8jasmine: we arent going to forget.
[16:00] Spies8Awohali: Even if you are convinced, which of course is a bad idea this early, as demonstrated last episode, it is wise to look at everything that the person you suspect is doing, including their cases.
[16:00] spies8jasmine: so for someone to not care for two days, tis not that big of a deal
[16:00] spies8claude: I am not in the habit of lending credibility to the ideas of people that I think are spies. If Chance ever gets exiled and somehow manages to not be a Spy, of course it would be worth looking at then.
[16:00] spies8jasmine: and if thats HUGE of a thing for you to remember, then you remember it and remind us all.
[16:01] spies8mary: Claude, who else does Chance suspect besides you?
[16:01] spies8claude: Jasmine I think
[16:01] spies8mary: That was old.
[16:01] spies8mary: I think.
[16:01] spies8jasmine: To be honest, I've only heard him talk about Claude, Claude, and Claude
[16:01] spies8jasmine: lately.
[16:01] spies8jasmine: But yes, possibly me.
[16:01] spies8claude: Though he hasn't made any effort to make a real case against her. Certainly not like the effort he's put against me, despite it being fairly obvious that people are not going to Exile me today.
[16:02] spies8mary: He has just been watching this exile.
[16:02] spies8mary: I don't feel he has tried to influence it.
[16:02] spies8jasmine: Which, with his personality. is odd.
[16:02] spies8jasmine: imo.
[16:02] spies8claude: Agreed.
[16:02] spies8claude: It's part of why I'm second guessing my vote on Margot.
[16:02] spies8isaac: I find it funny that you think it's not that big a deal yet won't bother with it yet at all....just odd. And I have no doubt it will be brought up again as Chance and Claude are still at eachothers throats
[16:02] spies8mary: Because he is happy with her on the block.
[16:03] spies8jasmine: I was getting paranoid that the Margot vote was too much like the Camilla thing. Not enough solid stuff, other then being more of a mute during chats..and it was being bandwagoned upon.
[16:03] spies8jasmine: And then I was getting paranoid that me thinking that, led me to automatically think isaac was a spy, hardcore.
[16:03] spies8gertrude: Ok, so.
[16:03] spies8jasmine: :-\
[16:03] spies8claude: I think I see in Margot what I should have seen in Camilla
[16:04] spies8claude: She is too scummy to actually be scum. :-( So she's just new/bad/whatever.
[16:04] spies8gertrude: I was reconsidering voting for Margot, but
[16:04] spies8gertrude: comments like this: "Am online now if you want to talk to me before you all Exile me."
[16:04] spies8gertrude: Frustrate me.
[16:04] spies8claude: I agree.
[16:04] spies8isaac: lol
[16:04] spies8claude: I despise defeatism.
[16:04] spies8claude: But still, it's like..
[16:04] spies8isaac: you aren't alone on that one Gertie
[16:04] spies8mary: We asked why Lilith was her #3 suspect and she said "Because I don't have a read on her."
[16:04] spies8claude: Yeah I saw that.
[16:04] spies8jasmine: I doubt the gurl even tlked to her.
[16:04] spies8claude: Blah
[16:05] spies8claude: I'll probably still end up voting Margot when it comes down to it, because this day didn't have alot of time to it.
[16:05] Spies8Awohali: I think the important wuestion on Margot is, will she change her behavior or not?
[16:05] spies8claude: No.
[16:05] spies8claude: She was the same way for her brief interactions yesterday.
[16:05] spies8isaac: Not in the slightest
[16:05] spies8claude: But I don't think that is actually relevant.
[16:05] Spies8Awohali: If she does not change her behavior, i.e. activity on AIM and detailed suspicions and scumhunting, then losing her is not a big deal, even as a Citizen.
[16:05] spies8jasmine: She had the chance to earlier today, and didn't. Which is the main reason I landed on her over a rash Isaac vote.
[16:05] spies8claude: Using your lynches on 'unhelpful' people is literally just giving the spies exactly what they want.
[16:06] spies8gertrude: It's not literally giving them anything.
[16:06] Spies8Awohali: It can be, but what are the alternatives? If she does not change her behavior, she will likely be with us until the end.
[16:06] spies8claude: It is so likely to be a mislynch.
[16:07] spies8gertrude: Which of Margot and Magalie is less helpful?
[16:07] spies8claude: It's hard to say.
[16:07] Spies8Awohali: For instance, Claude, you have done some suspicious things, but I would rather vote Mmargot out as a Citizen than you, knowing that you have a role that is potentially a Citizen role. At least in Episode 2.
[16:07] spies8claude: Magalie is just in 'role playing heaven'
[16:07] Spies8Awohali: Is "Neither" an answer?
[16:07] spies8gertrude: It can be, Awohali. Can you elaborate?
[16:08] spies8claude: I feel like the role-playing is supposed to die off and people are supposed to start playing mafia.
[16:08] spies8isaac: See I don't quite buy that assumption claude
[16:08] Spies8Awohali: Margot seems slightly more willing to learn, at least through her words on the forums.
[16:08] spies8claude: but in some cases, that doesn't seem to be happening.
[16:08] spies8claude: You don't buy what assumption?
[16:08] Spies8Awohali: But overall, neither has contributed so far, neither is online frequently, both seem to be new, neither have made much progress so far, if any.
[16:08] spies8isaac: I feel she was quite day 1 then defensive and rude day two until questioned and only then did she try to become helpful....odd behavior
[16:08] spies8claude: The way that Margot said 'I think Gertrude is suspicious for her vote of Camilla' was just like..unreal.
[16:08] spies8claude: Who, Magalie?
[16:08] Spies8Awohali: Yes, Claude, it truly was.
[16:09] spies8claude: I don't even remember her being involved in Day 1.
[16:09] Spies8Awohali: And she has stood by her statement on that, too.
[16:09] spies8claude: But it honestly is hard for me to see a Spy being that like..seemingly oblivious.
[16:10] spies8claude: It's just hard to take a player that is demonstrably bad, and figure out if they are bad town or bad scum.
[16:10] Spies8Awohali: Exactly. Because really, bad players in general exibit many of the same bad attributes, regardless of alignment.
[16:10] spies8gertrude: Isaac, when you say this: [19:08] spies8isaac: I feel she was quite day 1 then defensive and rude day two until questioned and only then did she try to become helpful....odd behavior
[16:11] spies8isaac: Thats true which makes Margot a hard bet all around
[16:11] spies8gertrude: Does the "odd behavior" you mention translate into scummy?
[16:11] spies8isaac: I have seen mafia in several games remain quite or unhelpful until that action gets called into question and then their attitude changes. So yes, in my book it;s a possible scum tell
[16:12] spies8gertrude: Ok.
[16:12] spies8isaac: But the same could be said for Margot in that instance and again, it's hard to get a solid read
[16:13] spies8gertrude: Right...
[16:13] spies8gertrude: Is Margot already gone to her grandmother's?
[16:13] spies8mary: Yes.
[16:13] spies8gertrude: And her vote is on me?
[16:14] spies8isaac: She left awhile ago with that remaining her best guess I think
[16:14] spies8gertrude: I see.
[16:14] spies8mary: I don't know, Gertrude.
[16:14] Spies8Awohali: I have an open floor question; assuming that neither Margot nor Magalie increase their online time, and we do not get a much better read on them throughout the game, when is a better time to take a chance on getting rid of one or both of them, now or later?
[16:15] spies8isaac: Sooner is always better then later in large games
[16:16] spies8mary: It's never a bad time to propose it.
[16:16] spies8isaac: Mainly because night actions will hone in people who are outspoken and the quite ones will be ignored or lead to vote for what the majority of the group is voting for
[16:16] spies8mary: You will learn a lot from the way people vote between a suspect and a "bad player".
[16:17] Spies8Awohali: Mary brings up a good point, which leads to a second question; is keeping them around valuable, in case such a vote comes up later?
[16:17] spies8gertrude: I believe I would say not.
[16:17] Spies8Awohali: And also, Isaac, I generally agree, sooner rather than later. It would not be good for the final half of the game to feature inactive, non-initiative players.
[16:18] spies8isaac: Well ones that forget to say anything and vote them selves out basically when we have people we are very suspicious of just screws the rest of us. So ya, sooner is always betetr
[16:20] spies8mary: If bad players are spies, you'd think every word out of their mouth would have a good chance of sinking them.
[16:20] spies8mary: Or even their partners.
[16:21] Spies8Awohali: That is a line of reasoning that could prove useful. We would need them to be more active for that to happen, though, I fear. Assuming that either is a Spy.
[16:22] spies8mary: Margot pledged to be more active, for what it's worth.
[16:22] spies8claude: Pretty sure she pledged that yesterday too
[16:23] spies8claude: Or maybe that was Magalie
[16:23] Spies8Awohali: Margot has been online the past two days at least, right?
[16:23] spies8claude: I really, really dislike that Margot said 'God can strike me down if I'm not a Citizen'
[16:23] spies8isaac: Yep
[16:23] spies8mary: She stayed for a bit today.
[16:23] spies8claude: Out of game references like that frustrate me.
[16:24] Spies8Awohali: It is similar to "You can Exile me if Camilla is not a Spy", is it not, Claude?
[16:24] spies8claude: No, it's not.
[16:24] spies8claude: Because I can be exiled and held accountable for my actions in that sense.
[16:24] Spies8Awohali: Perhaps Margot will be struck by lightning tonight.
[16:24] spies8gertrude: I understand Claude's point.
[16:24] spies8isaac: Well since 97% percent of all people believe there to be something higher then themselves, it's not a bad thing to say I guess if you hope to win someone with that argument...lol
[16:25] spies8lawrence: Evening again all.
[16:25] Spies8Awohali: Hello, Lawrence.
[16:25] spies8claude: Welcome back, Lawrence.
[16:25] spies8gertrude: Hey there, Lawrence!
[16:25] spies8lawrence: Have I missed anything in the last hour?
[16:25] spies8mary: "My vote stayed the same because I had already voted in my confessional. I was not about to change it because I already look like a dumb fuck the past few days and if I change it then it would look kinda bandwagonish and I focused all my energy on Gertrude that I didnt get to know my team until after the fact of exile #1"
[16:26] spies8isaac: Hey, magalie just came on and voted...wonder if she'll stop in
[16:26] spies8gertrude: I doubt it.
[16:26] Spies8Awohali: She has a party to go to, apparently.
[16:26] spies8jasmine: well my vote is for Margot...peace out I got a party to go to.
[16:26] spies8jasmine: LOL
[16:27] spies8isaac: Wow, one sentence and no reason behind it. I hope she didn't hurt her fingers typing...lol
[16:27] Spies8Awohali: The words of a truly cocnerned Citizen.
[16:27] spies8isaac: Hey, she seemed concerned when questioned early on in day two. Apparently pointing a finger in her direction is the on only way to get a rise out of her
[16:29] Spies8Awohali: I may point a finger at her, but it will not be the one she is expecting.
[16:29] spies8isaac: lol
[16:30] spies8jasmine: I need to sign off for a bit, be back in a tad.
[16:30] spies8jasmine: My vote is in, in case I don't return--as posted on the board.
[16:30] spies8mary: I'm new to this game, clearly. Magalie figured that out, and to dog on me by calling me scum is negative because he's getting rid of a citizen, me.
[16:30] spies8mary: What does that mean?
[16:30] spies8jasmine: has left the chat
[16:31] Spies8Awohali: I tried to decipher that, as well...
[16:31] Spies8Awohali: To no avail.
[16:32] spies8isaac: I least I could read that post. Some of her first ones I could barely even understand
[16:32] spies8lawrence: Whose is that?
[16:33] spies8claude: Ooooh I think I figured it out.
[16:33] spies8claude: I think Chance is avoiding the Margot wagon because he A)doesn't care if she dies and B)just wants to hold it against me tomorrow.
[16:33] spies8isaac: It definitely looks like Margot is getting the majority of the votes. Is she coming back before exile does anyone know?
[16:33] spies8claude: Logically speaking, if he really thought I was a Spy, he would say something regarding my leading a wagon against Margot.
[16:34] Spies8Awohali: Claude, does this really have to be about Chance, too?
[16:35] spies8claude: Well, why do you think he has said nothing re: Margot?
[16:36] Spies8Awohali: A possible albeit disappointing scenario is that he can not vote, and thusdoesn't feel the need to contribute to a Margot case.
[16:36] spies8claude: Hasn't stopped him from talking about Jasmine
[16:37] Spies8Awohali: I was under the impression that he had not really said much about her?
[16:40] spies8mary: Have any of you seen Chance try to influence today's exile?
[16:40] Spies8Awohali: I would say the Claude case would be the only example.
[16:40] spies8isaac: Umm, you mean beside the whole Claude novel and his evil ways?
[16:40] spies8mary: But most of us have stated Claude is not an option.
[16:41] spies8mary: So I don't count that.
[16:41] Spies8Awohali: Not counting that, no, not really.
[16:41] spies8isaac: Then the answer would be no for me
[16:41] spies8gertrude: No, here, as well.
[16:41] spies8mary: I think that is fairly Spyish.
[16:41] spies8mary: Because he risks nothing.
[16:41] spies8mary: By staying on Claude and giving no other significant opinion.
[16:42] Spies8Awohali: I agree. It is a strong point against him, to be sure. I was not expecting him to disappear like this
[16:42] spies8mary: Possibly waiting for us to screw up so someone else will look bad.
[16:42] spies8isaac: No argument here, but again it's nothing we can do anything about. He had suspects day one but pretty much focused on just one today
[16:42] spies8claude: He's had things to say about Jasmine.
[16:42] spies8mary: Recently?
[16:43] spies8claude: A little bit
[16:43] spies8claude: He has acted very adamant that she is a Spy
[16:43] spies8claude: Without really trying to prove it.
[16:43] spies8lawrence: Don't forget to post convos in your confessionals! I jusdt remembered to do that.
[16:43] spies8isaac: He should have put some info forth for the rest of us. It may have helped others
[16:44] spies8claude: It was in public chat, someone else was here.
[16:44] spies8claude: Broderick I think.
[16:44] spies8claude: Blah..I can't vote Margot now.
[16:44] spies8claude: But the Exile is in like 2 hours :-(
[16:44] spies8isaac: Oh, haven't heard anything from him today at all so thats why. Broderick would definitly have mentioned it
[16:45] spies8claude: It's still in my chat window from last night(I pretty much never close this)
[16:45] spies8claude: let me go look
[16:45] spies8claude: Yeah
[16:45] spies8claude: A few people were here
[16:46] spies8claude: Gertrude was the one that brought it up initially.
[16:46] spies8claude: As far as I can tell.
[16:46] Spies8Awohali: And there is Broderick, on time.
[16:46] spies8broderick: has joined the chat
[16:47] spies8broderick: Hi?
[16:47] spies8mary: Hi.
[16:47] Spies8Awohali: Osiyo, Broderick.
[16:49] spies8claude: Yeah, Gertrude.
[16:49] spies8claude: You asked Chance about it last night.
[16:50] spies8gertrude: Hello, sorry, I'm back.
[16:50] spies8gertrude: What did I ask Chance?
[16:50] spies8gertrude: And hey there, Broderick!
[16:50] spies8claude: About his suspicions of Jasmine.
[16:50] spies8gertrude: Was that bad of me to do?
[16:50] spies8claude: No no.
[16:50] spies8claude: It was fine.
[16:51] spies8claude: Isaac just seemed concerned that Chance didn't talk about his suspicions of Jasmine.
[16:51] spies8claude: And I was finding when he did. :-)
[16:51] spies8gertrude: Oh, ok.
[16:52] spies8gertrude: Yes, Chance and Jasmine seem quote volatile when together.
[16:52] spies8gertrude: quite*
[16:52] Spies8Awohali: All the better reason for them to be together as often as possible.
[16:53] spies8gertrude: Ha, indeed.
[16:55] spies8broderick: What about a Chance, Claude, and Jasmine trio?
[16:55] spies8broderick: Explosive I think
[16:55] spies8mary: Three dicks and one chick.
[16:55] spies8mary: I can't believe I just said that.
[16:55] spies8gertrude: Mary.
[16:55] spies8broderick: lol
[16:55] spies8gertrude: I love you.
[16:55] spies8mary: It just slipped out.
[16:55] spies8broderick: They can stroke each other's 'egos'
[16:56] spies8isaac: Wow, chats like this shouldn't happen until after 11pm at night. that or you should charge others for participating
[16:57] spies8broderick: Chats like what?
[16:57] spies8broderick: Humorous?
[16:57] spies8gertrude: Sexual.
[16:57] spies8broderick: It is after 11 somewhere. lol
[16:58] spies8claude: AFK a bit, swimming with my daughters.
[16:58] spies8claude: And no Awohlia, I'm not taking the computer with me.
[16:58] spies8isaac: Apparently the party for Mags is still not happening ans she's still posting. How can it take 20 minutes to post two sentences
[16:58] Spies8Awohali: Ah, Claude, I was actually about to ask just that.
[16:58] spies8broderick: Party for Mags?
[16:58] Spies8Awohali: Enjoy your swim, although without a waterproof computer it will not have the same effect.
[16:59] spies8isaac: Go look at her vote Broderick...you'll see...lol
[16:59] Spies8Awohali: She probably is checking her Spy HQ for advice.]
[16:59] spies8isaac: I love the fact she had 20 minutes and couldn't drop in
[16:59] spies8isaac: lol
[16:59] Spies8Awohali: I am tempted to IM her and see if she is online as invisible.
[16:59] Spies8Awohali: But I feel that would be a cheap investigation technique.
[17:00] spies8isaac: Yes, but effective I'm sure
[17:00] Spies8Awohali: Indeed, which is why it is tempting.
[17:00] spies8isaac: I'd say maybe she was looking in the burg and making an argument, but when she states her party twice then there is no way to argue that. Thats just sad
[17:02] spies8broderick: Heh. Cory's vote is interesting. I'll have to pull up the chat bit from last night. It seemed to me he thought her a newb more than anything.
[17:03] spies8broderick: Margot and Isaac seem to be common names.
[17:04] spies8broderick: well my vote is for Margot...peace out I got a party to go to.
[17:05] spies8broderick: lol
[17:05] spies8isaac: Ah yes, it was an interesting conversation this afternoon that you missed Broderick
[17:05] spies8broderick: Damn. Why can't you all schedule the interesting shit for when I'm available.