spies8claude (6:53:12 PM) has entered the room.
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spies8mary (6:53:12 PM) has entered the room.
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spies8jasmine (6:53:12 PM) has entered the room.
spies8jasmine (6:53:23 PM): welcome.
Spies8Awohali (6:53:25 PM): Greetings and salutations, everyone.
spies8isaac (6:53:34 PM): Hey Awohali
spies8gertrude (6:53:35 PM): Hey there, Awohali!
Spies8Awohali (6:53:52 PM): Have I missed anything grand since earlier this afternoon?
spies8mary (6:53:52 PM): Hi.
spies8mary (6:54:09 PM): Where have you been flying around to?
Spies8Awohali (6:54:32 PM): Mostly to my nest, although I did have a nice flight over a lake earlier.
spies8claude (6:54:38 PM): Sigh
spies8claude (6:54:49 PM): I'm starting to feel like Margot is just another Camilla
Spies8Awohali (6:55:03 PM): As am I. I do not wish to vote her if it can be helped.
spies8gertrude (6:55:07 PM): I think I agree. I'm not sure.
spies8gertrude (6:55:28 PM): I keep second-guessing myself.
spies8claude (6:55:34 PM): I really dislike giving people a pass based on what is conceivably bad play.
spies8isaac (6:55:53 PM): It's hard to get a solid reading on her especially since she can't seem to make up her own mind
Spies8Awohali (6:56:11 PM): Right, and the fact that she is not often on AIM makes the problem two-fold.
spies8claude (6:56:28 PM): Blahhhh
spies8claude (6:56:34 PM): I really just want to lynch Chance so freaking badly.
spies8isaac (6:56:38 PM): Well she just left like 20 minutes ago
spies8claude (6:56:52 PM): And I disagree with everyone that takes issue with Jasmine's attitude toward Chance's post.
spies8isaac (6:57:14 PM): Excuse me?
spies8isaac (6:57:27 PM): Why exactly?
spies8claude (6:57:31 PM): If you think someone is a Spy, and they are making a case on someone that not only you don't think is a Spy, but isn't going to be lynched today anyway, her reaction is understandable.
spies8mary (6:57:42 PM): Claude is saying that Broderick and Chance should start a club.
Spies8Awohali (6:57:44 PM): Isaac, you should not be surprised, this is a Chance/Claude issue we are talking about here.
spies8mary (6:57:57 PM): Bores Anonymous.
spies8claude (6:57:58 PM): Hmm? I don't really have problems with Broderick.
Spies8Awohali (6:58:37 PM): Cloudy with a Chance of Bordeom.
Spies8Awohali (6:58:44 PM): But I do not find them to be boring, personally.
spies8isaac (6:58:53 PM): I'm just kind of surprised claude agrees with the attitude of Jasmine's stance. I think if a valid point or argument are brought forth then they sould be examined then when it's fresh. Not three weeks later after everyone forgets and can't really be bothered
spies8claude (6:59:05 PM): You should have said 'Claudy with a Chance of boredom'...very punny.
spies8isaac (6:59:27 PM): An afternoon nap session with Broderick huh.....could be a cool class
spies8claude (6:59:38 PM): Maybe your prespective is different because you are not convinced that Chance is a Spy.
Spies8Awohali (6:59:44 PM): I considered that, but I did not wish you insert you into the Bordeom discussion.
spies8jasmine (6:59:59 PM): I'm back
spies8jasmine (7:00:04 PM): and just so you know isaac
spies8jasmine (7:00:11 PM): it isn't going to be 3 fucking weeks
spies8jasmine (7:00:13 PM): its one round
spies8jasmine (7:00:19 PM): we arent going to forget.
Spies8Awohali (7:00:32 PM): Even if you are convinced, which of course is a bad idea this early, as demonstrated last episode, it is wise to look at everything that the person you suspect is doing, including their cases.
spies8jasmine (7:00:32 PM): so for someone to not care for two days, tis not that big of a deal
spies8claude (7:00:36 PM): I am not in the habit of lending credibility to the ideas of people that I think are spies. If Chance ever gets exiled and somehow manages to not be a Spy, of course it would be worth looking at then.
spies8jasmine (7:00:42 PM): and if thats HUGE of a thing for you to remember, then you remember it and remind us all.
spies8mary (7:01:08 PM): Claude, who else does Chance suspect besides you?
spies8claude (7:01:16 PM): Jasmine I think
spies8mary (7:01:24 PM): That was old.
spies8mary (7:01:26 PM): I think.
spies8jasmine (7:01:35 PM): To be honest, I've only heard him talk about Claude, Claude, and Claude
spies8jasmine (7:01:37 PM): lately.
spies8jasmine (7:01:42 PM): But yes, possibly me.
spies8claude (7:01:44 PM): Though he hasn't made any effort to make a real case against her. Certainly not like the effort he's put against me, despite it being fairly obvious that people are not going to Exile me today.
spies8mary (7:02:11 PM): He has just been watching this exile.
spies8mary (7:02:20 PM): I don't feel he has tried to influence it.
spies8jasmine (7:02:30 PM): Which, with his personality. is odd.
spies8jasmine (7:02:31 PM): imo.
spies8claude (7:02:36 PM): Agreed.
spies8claude (7:02:44 PM): It's part of why I'm second guessing my vote on Margot.
spies8isaac (7:02:51 PM): I find it funny that you think it's not that big a deal yet won't bother with it yet at all....just odd. And I have no doubt it will be brought up again as Chance and Claude are still at eachothers throats
spies8mary (7:02:54 PM): Because he is happy with her on the block.
spies8jasmine (7:03:31 PM): I was getting paranoid that the Margot vote was too much like the Camilla thing. Not enough solid stuff, other then being more of a mute during chats..and it was being bandwagoned upon.
spies8jasmine (7:03:45 PM): And then I was getting paranoid that me thinking that, led me to automatically think isaac was a spy, hardcore.
spies8gertrude (7:03:46 PM): Ok, so.
spies8jasmine (7:03:47 PM):
spies8claude (7:03:51 PM): I think I see in Margot what I should have seen in Camilla
spies8claude (7:04:01 PM): She is too scummy to actually be scum. So she's just new/bad/whatever.
spies8gertrude (7:04:01 PM): I was reconsidering voting for Margot, but
spies8gertrude (7:04:11 PM): comments like this: "Am online now if you want to talk to me before you all Exile me."
spies8gertrude (7:04:14 PM): Frustrate me.
spies8claude (7:04:18 PM): I agree.
spies8isaac (7:04:21 PM): lol
spies8claude (7:04:23 PM): I despise defeatism.
spies8claude (7:04:32 PM): But still, it's like..
spies8isaac (7:04:32 PM): you aren't alone on that one Gertie
spies8mary (7:04:40 PM): We asked why Lilith was her #3 suspect and she said "Because I don't have a read on her."
spies8claude (7:04:48 PM): Yeah I saw that.
spies8jasmine (7:04:49 PM): I doubt the gurl even tlked to her.
spies8claude (7:04:56 PM): Blah
spies8claude (7:05:16 PM): I'll probably still end up voting Margot when it comes down to it, because this day didn't have alot of time to it.
Spies8Awohali (7:05:21 PM): I think the important wuestion on Margot is, will she change her behavior or not?
spies8claude (7:05:27 PM): No.
spies8claude (7:05:35 PM): She was the same way for her brief interactions yesterday.
spies8isaac (7:05:35 PM): Not in the slightest
spies8claude (7:05:42 PM): But I don't think that is actually relevant.
Spies8Awohali (7:05:45 PM): If she does not change her behavior, i.e. activity on AIM and detailed suspicions and scumhunting, then losing her is not a big deal, even as a Citizen.
spies8jasmine (7:05:50 PM): She had the chance to earlier today, and didn't. Which is the main reason I landed on her over a rash Isaac vote.
spies8claude (7:05:57 PM): Using your lynches on 'unhelpful' people is literally just giving the spies exactly what they want.
spies8gertrude (7:06:22 PM): It's not literally giving them anything.
Spies8Awohali (7:06:24 PM): It can be, but what are the alternatives? If she does not change her behavior, she will likely be with us until the end.
spies8claude (7:06:31 PM): It is so likely to be a mislynch.
spies8gertrude (7:07:11 PM): Which of Margot and Magalie is less helpful?
spies8claude (7:07:26 PM): It's hard to say.
Spies8Awohali (7:07:30 PM): For instance, Claude, you have done some suspicious things, but I would rather vote Mmargot out as a Citizen than you, knowing that you have a role that is potentially a Citizen role. At least in Episode 2.
spies8claude (7:07:31 PM): Magalie is just in 'role playing heaven'
Spies8Awohali (7:07:35 PM): Is "Neither" an answer?
spies8gertrude (7:07:53 PM): It can be, Awohali. Can you elaborate?
spies8claude (7:08:05 PM): I feel like the role-playing is supposed to die off and people are supposed to start playing mafia.
spies8isaac (7:08:05 PM): See I don't quite buy that assumption claude
Spies8Awohali (7:08:06 PM): Margot seems slightly more willing to learn, at least through her words on the forums.
spies8claude (7:08:12 PM): but in some cases, that doesn't seem to be happening.
spies8claude (7:08:22 PM): You don't buy what assumption?
Spies8Awohali (7:08:38 PM): But overall, neither has contributed so far, neither is online frequently, both seem to be new, neither have made much progress so far, if any.
spies8isaac (7:08:43 PM): I feel she was quite day 1 then defensive and rude day two until questioned and only then did she try to become helpful....odd behavior
spies8claude (7:08:48 PM): The way that Margot said 'I think Gertrude is suspicious for her vote of Camilla' was just like..unreal.
spies8claude (7:08:58 PM): Who, Magalie?
Spies8Awohali (7:08:58 PM): Yes, Claude, it truly was.
spies8claude (7:09:04 PM): I don't even remember her being involved in Day 1.
Spies8Awohali (7:09:17 PM): And she has stood by her statement on that, too.
spies8claude (7:09:50 PM): But it honestly is hard for me to see a Spy being that like..seemingly oblivious.
spies8claude (7:10:11 PM): It's just hard to take a player that is demonstrably bad, and figure out if they are bad town or bad scum.
Spies8Awohali (7:10:33 PM): Exactly. Because really, bad players in general exibit many of the same bad attributes, regardless of alignment.
spies8gertrude (7:10:50 PM): Isaac, when you say this: [19:08] spies8isaac: I feel she was quite day 1 then defensive and rude day two until questioned and only then did she try to become helpful....odd behavior
spies8isaac (7:11:00 PM): Thats true which makes Margot a hard bet all around
spies8gertrude (7:11:05 PM): Does the "odd behavior" you mention translate into scummy?
spies8isaac (7:11:55 PM): I have seen mafia in several games remain quite or unhelpful until that action gets called into question and then their attitude changes. So yes, in my book it;s a possible scum tell
spies8gertrude (7:12:16 PM): Ok.
spies8isaac (7:12:41 PM): But the same could be said for Margot in that instance and again, it's hard to get a solid read
spies8gertrude (7:13:02 PM): Right...
spies8gertrude (7:13:43 PM): Is Margot already gone to her grandmother's?
spies8mary (7:13:50 PM): Yes.
spies8gertrude (7:13:56 PM): And her vote is on me?
spies8isaac (7:14:11 PM): She left awhile ago with that remaining her best guess I think
spies8gertrude (7:14:22 PM): I see.
spies8mary (7:14:25 PM): I don't know, Gertrude.
Spies8Awohali (7:14:30 PM): I have an open floor question; assuming that neither Margot nor Magalie increase their online time, and we do not get a much better read on them throughout the game, when is a better time to take a chance on getting rid of one or both of them, now or later?
spies8isaac (7:15:11 PM): Sooner is always better then later in large games
spies8mary (7:16:00 PM): It's never a bad time to propose it.
spies8isaac (7:16:05 PM): Mainly because night actions will hone in people who are outspoken and the quite ones will be ignored or lead to vote for what the majority of the group is voting for
spies8mary (7:16:20 PM): You will learn a lot from the way people vote between a suspect and a "bad player".
Spies8Awohali (7:17:21 PM): Mary brings up a good point, which leads to a second question; is keeping them around valuable, in case such a vote comes up later?
spies8gertrude (7:17:46 PM): I believe I would say not.
Spies8Awohali (7:17:49 PM): And also, Isaac, I generally agree, sooner rather than later. It would not be good for the final half of the game to feature inactive, non-initiative players.
spies8isaac (7:18:40 PM): Well ones that forget to say anything and vote them selves out basically when we have people we are very suspicious of just screws the rest of us. So ya, sooner is always betetr
spies8mary (7:20:08 PM): If bad players are spies, you'd think every word out of their mouth would have a good chance of sinking them.
spies8mary (7:20:15 PM): Or even their partners.
Spies8Awohali (7:21:59 PM): That is a line of reasoning that could prove useful. We would need them to be more active for that to happen, though, I fear. Assuming that either is a Spy.
spies8mary (7:22:33 PM): Margot pledged to be more active, for what it's worth.
spies8claude (7:22:46 PM): Pretty sure she pledged that yesterday too
spies8claude (7:23:07 PM): Or maybe that was Magalie
Spies8Awohali (7:23:35 PM): Margot has been online the past two days at least, right?
spies8claude (7:23:47 PM): I really, really dislike that Margot said 'God can strike me down if I'm not a Citizen'
spies8isaac (7:23:48 PM): Yep
spies8mary (7:23:49 PM): She stayed for a bit today.
spies8claude (7:23:58 PM): Out of game references like that frustrate me.
Spies8Awohali (7:24:11 PM): It is similar to "You can Exile me if Camilla is not a Spy", is it not, Claude?
spies8claude (7:24:17 PM): No, it's not.
spies8claude (7:24:27 PM): Because I can be exiled and held accountable for my actions in that sense.
Spies8Awohali (7:24:43 PM): Perhaps Margot will be struck by lightning tonight.
spies8gertrude (7:24:52 PM): I understand Claude's point.
spies8isaac (7:24:56 PM): Well since 97% percent of all people believe there to be something higher then themselves, it's not a bad thing to say I guess if you hope to win someone with that argument...lol
spies8lawrence (7:25:04 PM): Evening again all.
Spies8Awohali (7:25:09 PM): Hello, Lawrence.
spies8claude (7:25:10 PM): Welcome back, Lawrence.
spies8gertrude (7:25:15 PM): Hey there, Lawrence!
spies8lawrence (7:25:53 PM): Have I missed anything in the last hour?
spies8mary (7:25:55 PM): "My vote stayed the same because I had already voted in my confessional. I was not about to change it because I already look like a dumb fuck the past few days and if I change it then it would look kinda bandwagonish and I focused all my energy on Gertrude that I didnt get to know my team until after the fact of exile #1"
spies8isaac (7:26:02 PM): Hey, magalie just came on and voted...wonder if she'll stop in
spies8gertrude (7:26:34 PM): I doubt it.
Spies8Awohali (7:26:54 PM): She has a party to go to, apparently.
spies8jasmine (7:26:56 PM): well my vote is for Margot...peace out I got a party to go to.
spies8jasmine (7:26:57 PM): LOL
spies8isaac (7:27:06 PM): Wow, one sentence and no reason behind it. I hope she didn't hurt her fingers typing...lol
Spies8Awohali (7:27:12 PM): The words of a truly cocnerned Citizen.
spies8isaac (7:27:57 PM): Hey, she seemed concerned when questioned early on in day two. Apparently pointing a finger in her direction is the on only way to get a rise out of her
Spies8Awohali (7:29:41 PM): I may point a finger at her, but it will not be the one she is expecting.
spies8isaac (7:29:55 PM): lol
spies8jasmine (7:30:29 PM): I need to sign off for a bit, be back in a tad.
spies8jasmine (7:30:41 PM): My vote is in, in case I don't return--as posted on the board.
spies8mary (7:30:50 PM): I'm new to this game, clearly. Magalie figured that out, and to dog on me by calling me scum is negative because he's getting rid of a citizen, me.
spies8mary (7:30:55 PM): What does that mean?
spies8jasmine (7:30:58 PM) has left the room.
Spies8Awohali (7:31:25 PM): I tried to decipher that, as well...
Spies8Awohali (7:31:33 PM): To no avail.
spies8isaac (7:32:06 PM): I least I could read that post. Some of her first ones I could barely even understand
spies8lawrence (7:32:30 PM): Whose is that?
spies8claude (7:33:19 PM): Ooooh I think I figured it out.
spies8claude (7:33:34 PM): I think Chance is avoiding the Margot wagon because he A)doesn't care if she dies and B)just wants to hold it against me tomorrow.
spies8isaac (7:33:40 PM): It definitely looks like Margot is getting the majority of the votes. Is she coming back before exile does anyone know?
spies8claude (7:33:53 PM): Logically speaking, if he really thought I was a Spy, he would say something regarding my leading a wagon against Margot.
Spies8Awohali (7:34:14 PM): Claude, does this really have to be about Chance, too?
spies8claude (7:35:12 PM): Well, why do you think he has said nothing re: Margot?
Spies8Awohali (7:36:02 PM): A possible albeit disappointing scenario is that he can not vote, and thusdoesn't feel the need to contribute to a Margot case.
spies8claude (7:36:57 PM): Hasn't stopped him from talking about Jasmine
Spies8Awohali (7:37:36 PM): I was under the impression that he had not really said much about her?
spies8mary (7:40:19 PM): Have any of you seen Chance try to influence today's exile?
Spies8Awohali (7:40:42 PM): I would say the Claude case would be the only example.
spies8isaac (7:40:53 PM): Umm, you mean beside the whole Claude novel and his evil ways?
spies8mary (7:40:54 PM): But most of us have stated Claude is not an option.
spies8mary (7:41:02 PM): So I don't count that.
Spies8Awohali (7:41:10 PM): Not counting that, no, not really.
spies8isaac (7:41:17 PM): Then the answer would be no for me
spies8gertrude (7:41:24 PM): No, here, as well.
spies8mary (7:41:29 PM): I think that is fairly Spyish.
spies8mary (7:41:36 PM): Because he risks nothing.
spies8mary (7:41:53 PM): By staying on Claude and giving no other significant opinion.
Spies8Awohali (7:42:13 PM): I agree. It is a strong point against him, to be sure. I was not expecting him to disappear like this
spies8mary (7:42:15 PM): Possibly waiting for us to screw up so someone else will look bad.
spies8isaac (7:42:19 PM): No argument here, but again it's nothing we can do anything about. He had suspects day one but pretty much focused on just one today
spies8claude (7:42:48 PM): He's had things to say about Jasmine.
spies8mary (7:42:56 PM): Recently?
spies8claude (7:43:01 PM): A little bit
spies8claude (7:43:09 PM): He has acted very adamant that she is a Spy
spies8claude (7:43:12 PM): Without really trying to prove it.
spies8lawrence (7:43:45 PM): Don't forget to post convos in your confessionals! I jusdt remembered to do that.
spies8isaac (7:43:54 PM): He should have put some info forth for the rest of us. It may have helped others
spies8claude (7:44:08 PM): It was in public chat, someone else was here.
spies8claude (7:44:11 PM): Broderick I think.
spies8claude (7:44:33 PM): Blah..I can't vote Margot now.
spies8claude (7:44:38 PM): But the Exile is in like 2 hours
spies8isaac (7:44:39 PM): Oh, haven't heard anything from him today at all so thats why. Broderick would definitly have mentioned it
spies8claude (7:45:22 PM): It's still in my chat window from last night(I pretty much never close this)
spies8claude (7:45:24 PM): let me go look
spies8claude (7:45:52 PM): Yeah
spies8claude (7:45:57 PM): A few people were here
spies8claude (7:46:02 PM): Gertrude was the one that brought it up initially.
spies8claude (7:46:18 PM): As far as I can tell.
Spies8Awohali (7:46:23 PM): And there is Broderick, on time.
spies8broderick (7:46:34 PM) has entered the room.
spies8broderick (7:47:14 PM): Hi?
spies8mary (7:47:19 PM): Hi.
Spies8Awohali (7:47:23 PM): Osiyo, Broderick.
spies8claude (7:49:21 PM): Yeah, Gertrude.
spies8claude (7:49:25 PM): You asked Chance about it last night.
spies8gertrude (7:50:07 PM): Hello, sorry, I'm back.
spies8gertrude (7:50:11 PM): What did I ask Chance?
spies8gertrude (7:50:24 PM): And hey there, Broderick!
spies8claude (7:50:25 PM): About his suspicions of Jasmine.
spies8gertrude (7:50:36 PM): Was that bad of me to do?
spies8claude (7:50:53 PM): No no.
spies8claude (7:50:56 PM): It was fine.
spies8claude (7:51:39 PM): Isaac just seemed concerned that Chance didn't talk about his suspicions of Jasmine.
spies8claude (7:51:45 PM): And I was finding when he did.
spies8gertrude (7:51:53 PM): Oh, ok.
spies8gertrude (7:52:16 PM): Yes, Chance and Jasmine seem quote volatile when together.
spies8gertrude (7:52:21 PM): quite*
Spies8Awohali (7:52:46 PM): All the better reason for them to be together as often as possible.
spies8gertrude (7:53:53 PM): Ha, indeed.
spies8broderick (7:55:05 PM): What about a Chance, Claude, and Jasmine trio?
spies8broderick (7:55:13 PM): Explosive I think
spies8mary (7:55:20 PM): Three dicks and one chick.
spies8mary (7:55:28 PM): I can't believe I just said that.
spies8gertrude (7:55:29 PM): Mary.
spies8broderick (7:55:32 PM): lol
spies8gertrude (7:55:33 PM): I love you.
spies8mary (7:55:44 PM): It just slipped out.
spies8broderick (7:55:48 PM): They can stroke each other's 'egos'
spies8isaac (7:56:36 PM): Wow, chats like this shouldn't happen until after 11pm at night. that or you should charge others for participating
spies8broderick (7:57:35 PM): Chats like what?
spies8broderick (7:57:38 PM): Humorous?
spies8gertrude (7:57:44 PM): Sexual.
spies8broderick (7:57:51 PM): It is after 11 somewhere. lol
spies8claude (7:58:01 PM): AFK a bit, swimming with my daughters.
spies8claude (7:58:08 PM): And no Awohlia, I'm not taking the computer with me.
spies8isaac (7:58:08 PM): Apparently the party for Mags is still not happening ans she's still posting. How can it take 20 minutes to post two sentences
Spies8Awohali (7:58:17 PM): Ah, Claude, I was actually about to ask just that.
spies8broderick (7:58:35 PM): Party for Mags?
Spies8Awohali (7:58:37 PM): Enjoy your swim, although without a waterproof computer it will not have the same effect.
spies8isaac (7:59:06 PM): Go look at her vote Broderick...you'll see...lol
Spies8Awohali (7:59:28 PM): She probably is checking her Spy HQ for advice.]
spies8isaac (7:59:38 PM): I love the fact she had 20 minutes and couldn't drop in
spies8isaac (7:59:40 PM): lol
Spies8Awohali (7:59:42 PM): I am tempted to IM her and see if she is online as invisible.
Spies8Awohali (7:59:57 PM): But I feel that would be a cheap investigation technique.
spies8isaac (8:00:08 PM): Yes, but effective I'm sure
Spies8Awohali (8:00:21 PM): Indeed, which is why it is tempting.
spies8isaac (8:00:57 PM): I'd say maybe she was looking in the burg and making an argument, but when she states her party twice then there is no way to argue that. Thats just sad
spies8broderick (8:02:57 PM): Heh. Cory's vote is interesting. I'll have to pull up the chat bit from last night. It seemed to me he thought her a newb more than anything.
spies8broderick (8:03:50 PM): Margot and Isaac seem to be common names.
spies8broderick (8:04:58 PM): well my vote is for Margot...peace out I got a party to go to.
spies8broderick (8:05:00 PM): lol
spies8isaac (8:05:04 PM): Ah yes, it was an interesting conversation this afternoon that you missed Broderick
spies8broderick (8:05:24 PM): Damn. Why can't you all schedule the interesting shit for when I'm available.
spies8isaac (8:05:37 PM): That was 20 someodd minutes ago...she just again posted about the party. Where the heck was she in between that time?
spies8isaac (8:06:17 PM): Oh, it's in the whole Isaac thread if you wish to catch up
spies8gertrude (8:06:27 PM): Oh, I do.
spies8gertrude (8:06:28 PM): Thank you.
spies8claude (8:06:48 PM): So Magalie continues to be impressive
Spies8Awohali (8:06:57 PM): Where is her post about the party? I do not see it.
spies8isaac (8:07:02 PM): Thats one word for it
spies8claude (8:07:18 PM):
spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=dems&thread=461&page=1#2638spies8claude (8:07:25 PM): I was being facetious, of course.
spies8broderick (8:07:59 PM): That twenty minutes was spent spy hunting of course
spies8mary (8:08:13 PM): Or inflating her lips.
spies8broderick (8:08:27 PM): Twenty minutes of spy hunting a-day keeps the spies at bay?
spies8broderick (8:08:35 PM): lol. I couldn't think of an appropriate ending
spies8isaac (8:08:49 PM): Ok, and the prove of her tireless hunting is where exactly. Was it the begining of her sentence or more towards the middle to end part...lol
spies8isaac (8:09:12 PM): I missed it somewhere
spies8broderick (8:09:15 PM): In the punctuation.
spies8isaac (8:09:20 PM): lol
spies8mary (8:09:39 PM): Claude, are you still in the pool?
Spies8Awohali (8:09:56 PM): He must have lied about not bringing the waterproof computer
spies8mary (8:10:06 PM): Or was "taking the daughters to the pool" a euphemism?
spies8gertrude (8:12:37 PM): Is Lawrence here?
spies8lawrence (8:12:51 PM): Yep.
spies8gertrude (8:12:56 PM): Hi.
spies8lawrence (8:13:01 PM): Was talkin with Awo.
spies8gertrude (8:13:09 PM): So, I'm reading the thread about Isaac
spies8gertrude (8:13:26 PM): Oh, no worries, I was going to ask you something, I'm not lurk-hunting.
spies8gertrude (8:14:07 PM): Isaac, Jasmine, and Margot were talking about Isaac's intentions
spies8isaac (8:14:42 PM): I love talking about myself Gertie. It's my favorite topic
spies8gertrude (8:14:54 PM): and then you said: spies8lawrence 5:56 pm
(5:56:39 PM): Ugh...I'm tempted to vote for Brody now. You guys aren't helping me any, you know
spies8lawrence (8:15:10 PM): Ah yes, I remember that.
spies8broderick (8:15:13 PM): lol
spies8gertrude (8:15:16 PM): Ok, cool.
spies8gertrude (8:15:26 PM): A have a few questions about it.
spies8lawrence (8:15:34 PM): Shoot.
spies8broderick (8:15:36 PM): Can I interject a quick one Gertie?
spies8gertrude (8:15:39 PM): 1) How was their conversation not helpful?
spies8gertrude (8:15:45 PM): By all means, Broderick.
spies8broderick (8:16:00 PM): From that chat transcript you are tempted to vote for me.
spies8broderick (8:16:09 PM): When have we had a discussion Lawrence?
spies8lawrence (8:16:39 PM): I was sort of being facetious. They were putting lots of thoughts in my head that was making me second guess everything.
spies8gertrude (8:17:03 PM): Ah.
spies8lawrence (8:17:08 PM): First day, like 6 lines. I have said my read on you is mostly gut.
spies8broderick (8:17:40 PM): K, just confirming. lol
spies8gertrude (8:17:49 PM): 2) Have you come to any conclusions about the conversation with Isaac, Jasmine, and Margot?
spies8lawrence (8:18:06 PM): And much of that case is from rereading all the chat logs. I did post pretty much everythinh I've got on you.
spies8gertrude (8:18:24 PM): Ack, I will be back soon. Hopefully within 10 minutes. Sorry, did not expect the oven timer to go off so soon.
spies8lawrence (8:18:55 PM): Well, Isaac jumped onto my list from it. I'm still re-evaluatinh, though Brody isn't really an option I don't think, if that helps.
spies8isaac (8:20:08 PM): Just curious lawrence but what made me move up your list? Anything you want answered?
spies8lawrence (8:20:29 PM): Didn't say you moved up. I said you made the list.
spies8isaac (8:20:40 PM): oh, I feel loved now....lol
spies8lawrence (8:20:51 PM): Basically the 'watch these guys closer' list.
spies8broderick (8:21:15 PM): It kind of seems that your suspect pool originates from others Lawrence
spies8isaac (8:21:18 PM): Ya, that list for me is growing by the day. Come one week from now and everyone will be on mine...lol
spies8lawrence (8:21:28 PM): I'll probably do a study of you when I get back from vacation. We'll see how that goes.
spies8lawrence (8:21:56 PM): Others can certainly bring stuff up to me, yes Brod.
spies8isaac (8:22:10 PM): Funny you say the Broderick because didn't someone say something similar about you earlier?
spies8isaac (8:22:40 PM): And you really should lawrence, I'm fascinating. So modest too...lol
spies8claude (8:23:18 PM): Isaac, I'm curious whom you plan on voting for today.
spies8broderick (8:23:20 PM): Huh?
spies8broderick (8:23:46 PM): Someone said that my suspect pool originates from others?
spies8isaac (8:24:18 PM): Wow, that question is so hard for me right now for a few reasons....still thinking it over. Nothing personal, but you know you are still at the top of the list. Chance is there too, but he's now not an option
spies8lawrence (8:24:56 PM): I did say that you seem to question others viewpoints without giving your own, Brod.
spies8isaac (8:25:09 PM): No Brod someone sadi something about you asking lots of questions of others but not putting very many of your own ideas out there. Maybe I can find it
spies8broderick (8:25:28 PM): Heh. I state my opinions when there is something to say
spies8isaac (8:25:35 PM): Hey it was lawrence...lol. I remembered somethign
spies8broderick (8:25:38 PM): Join the group chat just a bit more and you'll see. lol
spies8broderick (8:26:11 PM): *Join the group chat when I'm here. Or shoot me an IM
spies8broderick (8:26:14 PM): Or a PM
spies8broderick (8:26:46 PM): lol. I find this statement quite funny honestly
spies8isaac (8:27:04 PM): I also think Magalie's behavior has been questionable and that with Marogt and Jasmine has me thinking about throwing my vote on 4 different people at the moment since Chance isn't an option
spies8isaac (8:28:44 PM): So claude, ya....no idea yet which one is getting it. I looks like Margot is on the hit list for most players though at the moment.
spies8claude (8:29:05 PM): Why does that matter?
spies8broderick (8:29:48 PM): Heh
spies8isaac (8:30:12 PM): It doesn't. I'm just saying out of the 4 people I'd vote I can't really see myself not voting for you at the moment, but still looking everything over. I'm just saying odds are good my vote will be pretty useless is all...lol
spies8claude (8:31:10 PM): Hmmm.
spies8claude (8:31:18 PM): Okay.
spies8isaac (8:31:28 PM): I really don't like the fact that you roleclaimed first thing today claude and that with everything from day one is still not sitting with me well
spies8gertrude (8:31:35 PM): I'm back.
Spies8Awohali (8:31:42 PM): Welcome back, Gertrude.
spies8isaac (8:31:48 PM): I know I've said it and I'll say it again, you just have a reckless play style
Spies8Awohali (8:31:57 PM): I amk with you on that, Isaac. The roleclaim issue, that is.
spies8isaac (8:32:22 PM): And that role claim makes me think one very smart spy or a slightly uncareful citizen and either way I can't tell
spies8gertrude (8:32:43 PM): This is how I see Claude's roleclaim.
spies8gertrude (8:33:19 PM): It buys him at least a few rounds of life, but him making it to the endgame seems improbable .
spies8gertrude (8:34:04 PM): That's just my opinion, though, and since I'm no expert, I could definitely be wrong.
spies8isaac (8:34:13 PM): Thats just it though Gertie, thats why it's odd it happened so fast. I think most people realize the fact you just stated, so to what end and purpose does it serve?
spies8broderick (8:34:42 PM): I think I'm going to vote for Jasmine
spies8isaac (8:35:21 PM): Thats my feeling on it anyway claude and again, nothing personal. I think you argue well and have made several valid points throughout the game, I just find your behavior thus far reckless.
spies8isaac (8:35:39 PM): An y certain reasons Brod?
spies8claude (8:35:40 PM): I am undeniably a reckless player.
spies8isaac (8:35:48 PM): lol
spies8isaac (8:36:15 PM): Proudly so which is good. It just makes it hard for me to see what team your batting for is all
spies8gertrude (8:36:25 PM): I have a question open to anyone about Claude's role.
Spies8Awohali (8:36:54 PM): Even though you claimed it to be a calculated, logical decision, Claude?
spies8claude (8:37:04 PM): I know you brought that up earlier.
spies8claude (8:37:10 PM): and I've been struggling with how to answer it.
spies8claude (8:37:12 PM): It's like
spies8claude (8:37:25 PM): I saw that chance couldn't be exiled today, and A)got really frustrated and B)felt like that probably meant I would get lynched.
spies8isaac (8:37:29 PM): Shhot Gertie, we'll answer it
spies8gertrude (8:37:55 PM): I've been thinking about it, and feasibly speaking, it doesn't seem to be that beneficial to either group - Citizen or Spy. Can someone tell me why that assumption is wrong (if, in fact, you guys disagree with my thought)
spies8claude (8:38:10 PM): So I thought about it, and figured that, especially considering my 'Exile me if I'm wrong' bit yesterday, I was probably going to die, and shoudl tell everyone my role.
spies8isaac (8:38:45 PM): A lot of roles are timing in a game. Although some roles purpose may suck or have little benefit early on. Later those roles can play a huge part with fewer players
Spies8Awohali (8:38:46 PM): I think the assumption is right and not-right at the same time, but not wrong at all. To explain... It seems to serve the specific player more than anything else, so, regardless of faction, it helps that particular player.
spies8claude (8:38:49 PM): I was in an emotional state, but I was still trying to make a logically sound decision.
spies8claude (8:38:53 PM): If that helps.
Spies8Awohali (8:39:14 PM): But you do not feel emotion in this game, do you?
spies8claude (8:39:20 PM): Of course I do.
spies8claude (8:39:22 PM): I try not to.
Spies8Awohali (8:39:25 PM): I thought that only SPies have emotional reactions.
spies8gertrude (8:39:32 PM): Right, Awohali, I agree. The only person it directly benefits in this game is the player himself.
spies8claude (8:39:33 PM): That's not what I said at all.
Spies8Awohali (8:39:49 PM): I will have to bring up the quote, but you certainly said something similar.
spies8claude (8:39:50 PM): Obviously townies have emotional reactions sometimes
spies8claude (8:39:54 PM): Look at Camilla yesterday.
spies8claude (8:40:05 PM): I said that a townie should do everything that they can to not be emotional.
spies8claude (8:40:23 PM): While spies will try to make people be emotional, because emotionally based decisions are morel ikely to be bad.
spies8broderick (8:41:41 PM): Back in a bit. Dinner. It is hard to concentrate when I'm hungry.
Spies8Awohali (8:41:54 PM): I apologize for the delay in response, I am searching for the appropriate chat.
spies8claude (8:42:45 PM): IT was Saturday night, IIRC.
Spies8Awohali (8:43:21 PM): Ah, that helped, thank you.
Spies8Awohali (8:43:22 PM): spies8claude (12:52:41 AM):No.spies8claude (12:52:47 AM):Townies should never be emotional.spies8claude (12:52:51 AM):It accomplishes nothing.
spies8claude (8:43:30 PM): Please note that I said 'should'
spies8claude (8:43:34 PM): Not 'arent'
spies8lawrence (8:44:18 PM): To answer Gerties question; I think it would be overpowered as a spy role; the spies would know who is leaning towards voting for them, and could use that ingormation to better control exile. Its better as a cit, because at least they have to try to figure out the best person to use it on rather than just picking the other team.
Spies8Awohali (8:44:37 PM): Semantics, again. At any rate, it seems to go against your philosophy and bleiefs.
spies8claude (8:44:42 PM): No, it doesn't
spies8claude (8:44:57 PM): Saying that townies SHOULD not be a certain way is absolutely not saying that they ARE not a certain way.
spies8lawrence (8:45:03 PM): Though that brings up an interesting side question--do you have any limit in WHO you can use the role on, Claude?
Spies8Awohali (8:45:12 PM): Yes, I believe we argued that exact point with you that night.
spies8claude (8:45:12 PM): No.
Spies8Awohali (8:45:34 PM): spies8broderick (12:53:22 AM):Should never and are never - not the sameSpies8Awohali (12:53:26 AM):"Should" does not always coincide with what is.
spies8claude (8:46:11 PM): Oh, I misunderstood.
Spies8Awohali (8:46:13 PM): But why would you make an emotional decision if you believe that Townies should never make an emotional decision? And why did you thend efend it as "calculated and logical"?
spies8claude (8:46:18 PM): Or nm I'm getting confused.
spies8claude (8:46:27 PM): I'm not perfect.
spies8claude (8:46:31 PM): I don't want to be emotional.
spies8claude (8:46:43 PM): But people make mistakes.
Spies8Awohali (8:47:00 PM): I believe that when we argued this point to you, you responded by saying;
Spies8Awohali (8:47:07 PM): spies8claude (12:57:12 AM):Honestly, how do you guys ever find scumspies8claude (12:57:16 AM):Pick a name from a hat?
spies8claude (8:47:18 PM): Okay?
Spies8Awohali (8:47:46 PM): I find this all to be quite contradicting.
spies8claude (8:48:00 PM): I don't see how.
spies8claude (8:48:08 PM): Yes, I said that townies should never be emotional.
spies8claude (8:48:15 PM): And yes, I had an emotional moment.
Spies8Awohali (8:48:16 PM): Then you must open your eyes.
Spies8Awohali (8:48:27 PM): Then why did you defend it as nothing more than calculated and logical?
spies8claude (8:48:48 PM): Because I thought about what to do.
spies8claude (8:48:57 PM): And ultimately decided that revealing my info was correct.
spies8claude (8:49:11 PM): Though I was admittedly in an emotional state at the time.
spies8lawrence (8:49:30 PM): logic doesn't preclude emotion.
Spies8Awohali (8:49:44 PM): It doesn't, but I find this scenario suspect.
spies8claude (8:52:06 PM): You've never made a somewhat emotional decision, without realizing that it was emotional at the time?
Spies8Awohali (8:52:47 PM): I have made plenty of emotional decisionms, but I do not hold the stance that Townies should never allow emotion to surface, or use emotion as an indicator of alignment.
spies8claude (8:53:22 PM): We already had this discussion, at length.
Spies8Awohali (8:53:36 PM): We have indeed,s everal times now.
spies8claude (8:53:46 PM): It's not something I see myself ever changing my mind about.
spies8jasmine (8:54:57 PM) has entered the room.
spies8jasmine (8:55:00 PM): Hey.
Spies8Awohali (8:55:07 PM): No, I can not see you changing on it, either, altough your actions indicate otherwise.
Spies8Awohali (8:55:10 PM): Hello Jasmine
spies8jasmine (8:55:20 PM): Is brod here, like actively?
spies8isaac (8:55:27 PM): Hello Jasmine
spies8jasmine (8:55:32 PM): Hi.
spies8isaac (8:55:34 PM): He was...lol
Spies8Awohali (8:55:35 PM): He was, but he needed to AFK for a while.
spies8jasmine (8:55:50 PM): Did he elaborate on who he is claiming has "bandwagoned" their vote.
spies8isaac (8:55:58 PM): not yet
spies8jasmine (8:56:11 PM): And isaac, why the claude vote..knowing he won't get lynched--him having a role?
spies8jasmine (8:56:13 PM):
spies8isaac (8:56:21 PM): I assume he meant the Margot bus though
spies8jasmine (8:56:31 PM): Kind of like your throwing away your vote.
Spies8Awohali (8:56:52 PM): He did not elaborate, but he has mentioned potentially voting for you. If I am not mistaken, anyway. Someone mentioned it earlier.
spies8claude (8:57:05 PM): I've come to the conclusion that the Margot wagon is bad.
Spies8Awohali (8:57:20 PM): As have I, which is why I vote Magalie tonight.
spies8jasmine (8:57:28 PM): Voting me is better then voting Claude. Claude is the dumbest vote out of everyone.
spies8claude (8:57:29 PM): I will either be voting Magalie or Isaac.
spies8isaac (8:57:29 PM): Because I don't know that and neither do you. Just because we state it in that thread doesn't mean it's what people are really voting. Besides He has been and still is suspect 1 for me so far and even with everything that happened today that hasn't changed
Spies8Awohali (8:57:33 PM): And unfortunately, I am departing in a few moments, so my vote is locked in.
spies8jasmine (8:57:55 PM): But he isn't going to be lynched.
spies8jasmine (8:58:10 PM): Your the only one that has even mentioned it, because Chance can't vote. Nobody else wants to lynch the guy with a role.
spies8jasmine (8:58:15 PM): Why are you then goig to throw away your vote.
spies8jasmine (8:58:30 PM): Because you vote is now pointless, your just giving the spies more of a chance to get a majority then.
spies8jasmine (8:59:01 PM): It doesn't make any sense to me.
spies8gertrude (8:59:02 PM): In his defense, Jasmine, only 1 person has more than 1 vote on them right now.
spies8jasmine (8:59:16 PM): Yea, but everyne else has claimed that a Claude lynch is retarded.
spies8claude (8:59:23 PM): I'll probably vote Magalie, I feel like she has done pretty much nothing.
Spies8Awohali (8:59:28 PM): I do not think it is retarded at all.
spies8claude (8:59:32 PM): I want to study Isaac a bit more.
spies8jasmine (8:59:33 PM): Even tho he has a role?
spies8gertrude (8:59:33 PM): Neither do I.
spies8isaac (8:59:35 PM): Excuse me Jasmine my vote isn't being "thrown away" the fact that you don't buy the argument for now is fine but my vote was there for What I thought were all the right reasons last night and tonight is the same story. I believe I'm voting the person most suspect of being a spy
spies8jasmine (8:59:49 PM): He is a 50/50 a cit with a role.
spies8jasmine (8:59:55 PM): Your basically doing the spies work.
Spies8Awohali (9:00:07 PM): Evan though he has a role, yes. Personally I am not voting for him this round, but I find him to be suspicious. I would like a little longer to look at his role before making a decision.
spies8jasmine (9:00:29 PM): This just about puts the cherry on the top for an isaac lynch, for me.
Spies8Awohali (9:00:32 PM): And as far as I know, is not everyon 50/50 between being a Spy or Citizen? A roole does not change the odds.
spies8jasmine (9:00:44 PM): A role makes him more valuable.
spies8jasmine (9:00:46 PM): If he is a cit.
spies8gertrude (9:00:58 PM): Or more detrimental if he is a Spy.
Spies8Awohali (9:01:09 PM): Yes, if. And more dangerous if a Spy. Like I said, I believe it is too early to Exile him now, but I do not see it as retarded.
spies8claude (9:01:12 PM): Hmmm. Isaac's indignation a second ago there sounded sincere.
spies8jasmine (9:01:14 PM): Well if he doesn't become imprisoned anytime soon, we will know then wont we?
spies8claude (9:01:39 PM): The Spies will imprison me the moment SpyChance gets exiled
Spies8Awohali (9:01:44 PM): Not for sure, no. Why would Spies Imprison someone under heat?
spies8jasmine (9:01:59 PM): True.
spies8jasmine (9:02:10 PM): But I think they'd consider it, either this upcoming time and maybe the following.
spies8jasmine (9:02:18 PM): If he has a role, and is a citizen. He is dangerous for them.
spies8isaac (9:02:26 PM): You and I obviously disagree on quite a lot Jasmine and thats fine. But saying the closes the deal on the Isaac vote for you when no one has yet even voted me is you doing the same thing you are yelling at me for. Nice double standard
spies8claude (9:02:27 PM): Eh
spies8jasmine (9:02:38 PM): What do you mean?
Spies8Awohali (9:02:38 PM): I am sure they will. But either way, it can not tell us for sure in regards to his alignment
spies8claude (9:02:40 PM): They will probably leave me around to see if they can get me mislynched.
spies8jasmine (9:02:47 PM): I have several reasons posted that made me suspcious of you.
spies8jasmine (9:02:57 PM): Now you are voting the guy with the role. It makes me think you potentially could be a spy.
Spies8Awohali (9:03:03 PM): I absolutely hate to go now, but I have to... I doubt that I will make it back for the Exile, but I will try my best.
spies8jasmine (9:03:04 PM): Trying to oust him, do the spies work before the night.
Spies8Awohali (9:03:18 PM): Good luck to you all, and may our decision be a fruitful one!
