Episode 1 - Confessionals
Jun 18, 2010 0:36:50 GMT -6
Post by Kiara on Jun 18, 2010 0:36:50 GMT -6
Today I finally got on thanks to you Sam!
I only met a couple people from my team today - Steph, Jenny, Tina and Owen.
Here are some first impressions:
Steph: - Wasn't too talkative; not too sure about trust factor
Jenny: - was very talkative and very helpful with some AIM problems I had with group chats (got it fixed now)
- Seems like someone I could trust based on first impression; not too sure though
Tina: - seems to be a smart player and if spy could be a very big threat. No possible suspicions of alignment. Veyr refreshing to talk game with.
Owen - Very friendly, noticed when calmly talking not so much about game but about our lives (learned he was a gym teacher) he likes to make jokes. Very refreshing to talk game with
Tonight Tina, Owen and I had an interesting chat in our republican chat room:
(01:48:15 AM) spies8tina entered the room.
(01:48:15 AM) spies8owen entered the room.
(01:48:15 AM) spies8kiara entered the room.
(01:48:40 AM) spies8owen: My first official republican group chat. *blushes*
(01:48:58 AM) spies8tina: Hurray?
(01:49:06 AM) spies8kiara: woooo!!
(01:49:22 AM) spies8owen: Hooray, damn straight.
(01:49:40 AM) spies8owen: I missed out on all the fun (if you want to call it that) earlier.
(01:49:56 AM) spies8tina: Just a forwarning. I will be fighting the urge to call kiara small one this entire game.
(01:50:30 AM) spies8tina: That aside, we had an interesting early chat.
(01:51:08 AM) spies8owen: I'm not too sure what to think of all of what you sent me.
(01:51:34 AM) spies8kiara: Haha why must you call me small one?
(01:52:09 AM) spies8owen: A few people jumped on Zed, could be looking for an easy target, could just be scum-hunting in their own way.
(01:52:11 AM) spies8tina: It is swahilli for small one (small dark one to be exact, but small one sounds nicer).
(01:52:41 AM) spies8tina: Somewhat popularized by a Disney Movie.
(01:52:59 AM) spies8tina: Again, back to Zed thing.
(01:53:15 AM) spies8owen: Alexei did seem the most aggressive and it came much later than Jenny's first questioning it.
(01:53:33 AM) spies8kiara: Where are you guys reading the chat log from that?
(01:53:35 AM) spies8tina: I come out of that prefering the Alexei push, not due to aggression as much as a few key posts.
(01:53:46 AM) spies8tina: I was in the chat log, I can PM it to you since it is big.
(01:54:06 AM) spies8owen: It's definitely worth the read -- gotta look at anything we can get right now.
(01:54:30 AM) spies8kiara: Your allowed to send it right? (Sorry just want to double check)
(01:54:40 AM) spies8owen: Yep! Made sure to double check the rules.
(01:55:16 AM) spies8kiara: Okay then that would be great!
(01:56:05 AM) spies8owen: But you're right Tina, aggression does not = scum.
(01:56:06 AM) spies8tina: I have sent it.
(01:56:41 AM) spies8owen: What are some of the things you picked out from it?
(01:57:17 AM) spies8owen: Actually, I should probably read it over and see if I notice anything.
(01:57:20 AM) spies8kiara: Thank you - brb going to read now
(01:57:42 AM) spies8tina: spies8tina (6:23:57 PM): Alexei, what is your thought on all this?
spies8alexei (6:24:18 PM): I think there is no reson for him not to talk, judging by what I heard
spies8alexei (6:24:44 PM): gabe, your thoughts?
spies8tina (6:24:48 PM): So you think he is telling the truth about deciding to do other stuff?
spies8tina (6:24:56 PM): Or you think he is making up a night?
spies8alexei (6:25:16 PM): either way, I think it's suspicious
spies8alexei (6:25:41 PM): I'm saying I believe him, but there is no reason not to talk to us
(01:57:52 AM) spies8tina: That is the chopped out part that I didnt like
(01:59:18 AM) spies8owen: I actually did notice that he put the spotlight on Gabriel quickly. I didn't notice the fence-sitting, but town can be guilty of doing that too. Especially this early.
(01:59:50 AM) spies8tina: I have not had a chance to talk to him yet, but it is where I am starting.
(02:00:17 AM) spies8owen: Might not want to make himself a target. Selfish, but explainable. And yeah, I want to talk to him as well. Need to talk to everyone, really.
(02:01:41 AM) spies8owen: I only messaged one person (Rondak) last night since I was waiting for teams to be official. The AIM errors tonight didn't help that either.
(02:02:11 AM) spies8tina: I did quite a bit more talking today. I do not like large groups of people talking all at once.
(02:03:09 AM) spies8owen: I had a lot of difficulty keeping up with the first chat last night, partly because I had a headache, partly because I'm not particularly good at bigger group chats.
(02:04:16 AM) spies8tina: I can not process responses too quickly if there are changes in topic. When lot of people talk that happens a lot and I get lost so stop talking.
(02:04:30 AM) spies8owen: Right there with you.
(02:05:07 AM) spies8owen: I'm not a good multi-tasker either, so multiple topics is EEEEK.
(02:05:34 AM) spies8tina: If they are all predictable I can do that.
(02:07:46 AM) spies8kiara: Hmmmm that was interesting
(02:08:55 AM) spies8tina: Yes. Like I said, im going to be surprised if that chat does not come into play regarding the first exile.
(02:09:08 AM) spies8owen: I'd like to talk to Zed without a group semi-attacking him and see where his head is at.
(02:09:10 AM) spies8kiara: Yeah for sure
(02:09:35 AM) spies8owen: I'd be surprised it didn't unless something big comes up, which is very unlikely for a first day.
(02:09:36 AM) spies8tina: I still came out of that with a very slight town read on Zek.
(02:09:51 AM) spies8owen: I don't think he'd make it so obvious, really.
(02:10:20 AM) spies8kiara: To me it seems like Zek thought by pressing the X would shut down AIM when it just minimizes it in the tray
(02:10:44 AM) spies8tina: I was talking with a few others and was saying to seems like there is no reason for him to complicate it that much if he was a spy.
(02:10:58 AM) spies8owen: Could be it. The change in the story was sketchy, but definitely can be explained by the amount of pressure he had on him.
(02:11:07 AM) spies8tina: How hard is "I was watching a movie and accidently stayed signed in"
(02:11:20 AM) spies8tina: When someone messaged me I heard it so came over.
(02:11:58 AM) spies8tina: The A then B then C then D thing makes me think town.
(02:12:12 AM) spies8owen: Yeah, he was definitely not smooth about it at all.
(02:12:57 AM) spies8kiara: Yes I can see how his changes in story and over complicating made it look sketchy - but it also looks like he has some English problems so I'm wondering if maybe it was just a language barrier thing. Trying to explain himself? Not too sure - but either way reading that makes me feel like I will be targeted too for not showing up til now :/
(02:13:58 AM) spies8owen: I doubt that Kiara -- there will be things to come up that outweigh first day activity. There has to be.
(02:14:36 AM) spies8tina: I actually brought up inactive lynches and people were against it.
(02:14:39 AM) spies8owen: Hopefully we'll hit one with this lynch. Then we'll have voting patterns to go off of.
(02:14:54 AM) spies8tina: I think savannah (interestingly enough my second pick) was the only one who was not squarely against it.
(02:15:25 AM) spies8owen: I'm not COMPLETELY against lynching a lurker, but inactives will likely be replaced.
(02:15:34 AM) spies8tina: Exactly.
(02:16:03 AM) spies8owen: I'd like to avoid lynching someone based on activity right now if there's stuff on the table for us to base a decision off of.
(02:16:15 AM) spies8kiara: Yes that is true about the inactives - they will most likely get replaced. I doubt Sam will just leave inactives there
(02:16:35 AM) spies8tina: Also there is the fact that it is sort of a cop out, it is a reasoning free lynch that (with near certainty) there is no way we can ever get information from.
(02:16:48 AM) spies8kiara: Out of all those people i the room - Alexi calling out for Gabe's opinion does scare me a little too though
(02:17:01 AM) spies8kiara: *in
(02:17:09 AM) spies8owen: Yeah, that's the problem with lynching an inactive. Nowhere to go from there.
(02:17:16 AM) spies8tina: That section I put up here is the biggest thing I saw.
(02:17:18 AM) spies8owen: You're just in the same place you were at last time with one less person.
(02:17:52 AM) spies8owen: I agree with that Kiara. That stood out to me the most from what he said.
(02:18:41 AM) spies8tina: I already talked to Nita about that and have some agreement. Steph was in the middle although that fits everything I have seen from her so far in this game.
(02:18:47 AM) spies8owen: Could have been trying to piggyback Gabriel for reasons (since he couldn't think of any himself). Again, want to talk to them first though.
(02:19:36 AM) spies8tina: I do not have as much of a problem as "what about this persons thoughts" after giving his. It was the fact that his thoughts were highly inconclusive, and after more prodding became even more hard to figure out.
(02:20:00 AM) spies8owen: Yeah. That and how quickly he put it on Gabriel.
(02:20:04 AM) spies8tina: I forget who said later they talked to him and he was more sure of Zed-spy though then citizen
(02:20:29 AM) spies8kiara: was there a basis for thinking he was more spy over cit?
(02:20:32 AM) spies8owen: Without talking to Zed myself, I'm on town-lean.
(02:21:07 AM) spies8owen: I have more faith in Sam than to pick someone who would get caught in that stupid of a lie early.
(02:21:17 AM) spies8tina: I just heard it through someone, I think Nita but might have been Jenny.
(02:22:07 AM) spies8owen: Very sloppy if he isn't town.
(02:22:20 AM) spies8owen: ...kinda sloppy even if he's town, too.
(02:24:01 AM) spies8kiara: He seems to not understand very much about the game, the sloppiness seems sketchy but if he is just new to mafia games then that could prove sloppiness or he is new and a sloppy spy or just a spy who made a mistake and is trying to cover up his tracks....either way we turn right now based off of that chat...he just seems to be a sloppy player
(02:24:34 AM) spies8tina: spies8jenny (7:00:22 PM):He's telling me he's pretty sure that Zeddy is a spy.spies8tina (7:00:48 PM):spies8jenny (7:00:52 PM):Saying he's not convinced about the whole thing.
(02:24:47 AM) spies8owen: Alexei was telling her this?
(02:24:55 AM) spies8tina: Apparently.
(02:25:07 AM) spies8owen: I think I remember him saying in there that he didn't think he was a spy.
(02:25:18 AM) spies8owen: *searches*
(02:25:21 AM) spies8tina: Should be something interesting to push on.
(02:25:47 AM) spies8kiara: Hmmm unless he spoke to Zed privately I don't seem how he could be THAT sure he was a spy based on that chat
(02:25:57 AM) spies8tina: Could even be interesting to have someone approach him saying "I think Zed is town" and then someone else say "I think Zed is spy" and see what happens.
(02:26:08 AM) spies8tina: If his level of conviction changes.
(02:26:12 AM) spies8owen: You have to watch out for the ones picking easy targets early.
(02:26:46 AM) spies8owen: Given, Alexei COULD actually be onto something, it just seemed a bit off. We'll see.
(02:27:14 AM) spies8owen: Ohhh, very good idea Tina.
(02:27:31 AM) spies8owen: I actually really like that.
(02:28:22 AM) spies8tina: Not the biggest fan of lying as town, but it might work.
(02:28:48 AM) spies8owen: Lying as town is a death sentence in my opinion.
(02:29:00 AM) spies8owen: But if it's something planned out and discussed with others and it's to hunt... yeah, I'm all for it.
(02:29:02 AM) spies8kiara: That would be very interesting to see Tina.....hmmm....I want to talk to both Alexi and Zed myself too though to try to see more of the way they each present themselves
(02:29:51 AM) spies8tina: Well, I will try and sleep on it. We all have realized our master plan is full of holes at one point or another.
(02:30:22 AM) spies8kiara: Yes I must head to bed now also, it is already 2:30 am and I must be up early!
(02:30:49 AM) spies8tina: Ok. I am actually going to head out soon too I think.
(02:31:29 AM) spies8kiara: Have a great night you two! It was great to meet you both and I look forward to chatting with you tomorrow!
After that conversation I plan to try to talk with Alexi and Zed tomorrow each privately to see what they have to say on the matter and to learn how they converse and present their facts. Hopefully we can pull some sort of clues out tomorrow!
Things to do tomorrow:
-Meet and introduce myself to the following:
Alexi
Allan
Dane
Gabriel
Hambone
Nita
Rondak
Savannah
Themba
Zed
- Try to hunt a little in a private convo with Alexi and Zed.
I only met a couple people from my team today - Steph, Jenny, Tina and Owen.
Here are some first impressions:
Steph: - Wasn't too talkative; not too sure about trust factor
Jenny: - was very talkative and very helpful with some AIM problems I had with group chats (got it fixed now)
- Seems like someone I could trust based on first impression; not too sure though
Tina: - seems to be a smart player and if spy could be a very big threat. No possible suspicions of alignment. Veyr refreshing to talk game with.
Owen - Very friendly, noticed when calmly talking not so much about game but about our lives (learned he was a gym teacher) he likes to make jokes. Very refreshing to talk game with
Tonight Tina, Owen and I had an interesting chat in our republican chat room:
(01:48:15 AM) spies8tina entered the room.
(01:48:15 AM) spies8owen entered the room.
(01:48:15 AM) spies8kiara entered the room.
(01:48:40 AM) spies8owen: My first official republican group chat. *blushes*
(01:48:58 AM) spies8tina: Hurray?
(01:49:06 AM) spies8kiara: woooo!!
(01:49:22 AM) spies8owen: Hooray, damn straight.
(01:49:40 AM) spies8owen: I missed out on all the fun (if you want to call it that) earlier.
(01:49:56 AM) spies8tina: Just a forwarning. I will be fighting the urge to call kiara small one this entire game.
(01:50:30 AM) spies8tina: That aside, we had an interesting early chat.
(01:51:08 AM) spies8owen: I'm not too sure what to think of all of what you sent me.
(01:51:34 AM) spies8kiara: Haha why must you call me small one?
(01:52:09 AM) spies8owen: A few people jumped on Zed, could be looking for an easy target, could just be scum-hunting in their own way.
(01:52:11 AM) spies8tina: It is swahilli for small one (small dark one to be exact, but small one sounds nicer).
(01:52:41 AM) spies8tina: Somewhat popularized by a Disney Movie.
(01:52:59 AM) spies8tina: Again, back to Zed thing.
(01:53:15 AM) spies8owen: Alexei did seem the most aggressive and it came much later than Jenny's first questioning it.
(01:53:33 AM) spies8kiara: Where are you guys reading the chat log from that?
(01:53:35 AM) spies8tina: I come out of that prefering the Alexei push, not due to aggression as much as a few key posts.
(01:53:46 AM) spies8tina: I was in the chat log, I can PM it to you since it is big.
(01:54:06 AM) spies8owen: It's definitely worth the read -- gotta look at anything we can get right now.
(01:54:30 AM) spies8kiara: Your allowed to send it right? (Sorry just want to double check)
(01:54:40 AM) spies8owen: Yep! Made sure to double check the rules.
(01:55:16 AM) spies8kiara: Okay then that would be great!
(01:56:05 AM) spies8owen: But you're right Tina, aggression does not = scum.
(01:56:06 AM) spies8tina: I have sent it.
(01:56:41 AM) spies8owen: What are some of the things you picked out from it?
(01:57:17 AM) spies8owen: Actually, I should probably read it over and see if I notice anything.
(01:57:20 AM) spies8kiara: Thank you - brb going to read now
(01:57:42 AM) spies8tina: spies8tina (6:23:57 PM): Alexei, what is your thought on all this?
spies8alexei (6:24:18 PM): I think there is no reson for him not to talk, judging by what I heard
spies8alexei (6:24:44 PM): gabe, your thoughts?
spies8tina (6:24:48 PM): So you think he is telling the truth about deciding to do other stuff?
spies8tina (6:24:56 PM): Or you think he is making up a night?
spies8alexei (6:25:16 PM): either way, I think it's suspicious
spies8alexei (6:25:41 PM): I'm saying I believe him, but there is no reason not to talk to us
(01:57:52 AM) spies8tina: That is the chopped out part that I didnt like
(01:59:18 AM) spies8owen: I actually did notice that he put the spotlight on Gabriel quickly. I didn't notice the fence-sitting, but town can be guilty of doing that too. Especially this early.
(01:59:50 AM) spies8tina: I have not had a chance to talk to him yet, but it is where I am starting.
(02:00:17 AM) spies8owen: Might not want to make himself a target. Selfish, but explainable. And yeah, I want to talk to him as well. Need to talk to everyone, really.
(02:01:41 AM) spies8owen: I only messaged one person (Rondak) last night since I was waiting for teams to be official. The AIM errors tonight didn't help that either.
(02:02:11 AM) spies8tina: I did quite a bit more talking today. I do not like large groups of people talking all at once.
(02:03:09 AM) spies8owen: I had a lot of difficulty keeping up with the first chat last night, partly because I had a headache, partly because I'm not particularly good at bigger group chats.
(02:04:16 AM) spies8tina: I can not process responses too quickly if there are changes in topic. When lot of people talk that happens a lot and I get lost so stop talking.
(02:04:30 AM) spies8owen: Right there with you.
(02:05:07 AM) spies8owen: I'm not a good multi-tasker either, so multiple topics is EEEEK.
(02:05:34 AM) spies8tina: If they are all predictable I can do that.
(02:07:46 AM) spies8kiara: Hmmmm that was interesting
(02:08:55 AM) spies8tina: Yes. Like I said, im going to be surprised if that chat does not come into play regarding the first exile.
(02:09:08 AM) spies8owen: I'd like to talk to Zed without a group semi-attacking him and see where his head is at.
(02:09:10 AM) spies8kiara: Yeah for sure
(02:09:35 AM) spies8owen: I'd be surprised it didn't unless something big comes up, which is very unlikely for a first day.
(02:09:36 AM) spies8tina: I still came out of that with a very slight town read on Zek.
(02:09:51 AM) spies8owen: I don't think he'd make it so obvious, really.
(02:10:20 AM) spies8kiara: To me it seems like Zek thought by pressing the X would shut down AIM when it just minimizes it in the tray
(02:10:44 AM) spies8tina: I was talking with a few others and was saying to seems like there is no reason for him to complicate it that much if he was a spy.
(02:10:58 AM) spies8owen: Could be it. The change in the story was sketchy, but definitely can be explained by the amount of pressure he had on him.
(02:11:07 AM) spies8tina: How hard is "I was watching a movie and accidently stayed signed in"
(02:11:20 AM) spies8tina: When someone messaged me I heard it so came over.
(02:11:58 AM) spies8tina: The A then B then C then D thing makes me think town.
(02:12:12 AM) spies8owen: Yeah, he was definitely not smooth about it at all.
(02:12:57 AM) spies8kiara: Yes I can see how his changes in story and over complicating made it look sketchy - but it also looks like he has some English problems so I'm wondering if maybe it was just a language barrier thing. Trying to explain himself? Not too sure - but either way reading that makes me feel like I will be targeted too for not showing up til now :/
(02:13:58 AM) spies8owen: I doubt that Kiara -- there will be things to come up that outweigh first day activity. There has to be.
(02:14:36 AM) spies8tina: I actually brought up inactive lynches and people were against it.
(02:14:39 AM) spies8owen: Hopefully we'll hit one with this lynch. Then we'll have voting patterns to go off of.
(02:14:54 AM) spies8tina: I think savannah (interestingly enough my second pick) was the only one who was not squarely against it.
(02:15:25 AM) spies8owen: I'm not COMPLETELY against lynching a lurker, but inactives will likely be replaced.
(02:15:34 AM) spies8tina: Exactly.
(02:16:03 AM) spies8owen: I'd like to avoid lynching someone based on activity right now if there's stuff on the table for us to base a decision off of.
(02:16:15 AM) spies8kiara: Yes that is true about the inactives - they will most likely get replaced. I doubt Sam will just leave inactives there
(02:16:35 AM) spies8tina: Also there is the fact that it is sort of a cop out, it is a reasoning free lynch that (with near certainty) there is no way we can ever get information from.
(02:16:48 AM) spies8kiara: Out of all those people i the room - Alexi calling out for Gabe's opinion does scare me a little too though
(02:17:01 AM) spies8kiara: *in
(02:17:09 AM) spies8owen: Yeah, that's the problem with lynching an inactive. Nowhere to go from there.
(02:17:16 AM) spies8tina: That section I put up here is the biggest thing I saw.
(02:17:18 AM) spies8owen: You're just in the same place you were at last time with one less person.
(02:17:52 AM) spies8owen: I agree with that Kiara. That stood out to me the most from what he said.
(02:18:41 AM) spies8tina: I already talked to Nita about that and have some agreement. Steph was in the middle although that fits everything I have seen from her so far in this game.
(02:18:47 AM) spies8owen: Could have been trying to piggyback Gabriel for reasons (since he couldn't think of any himself). Again, want to talk to them first though.
(02:19:36 AM) spies8tina: I do not have as much of a problem as "what about this persons thoughts" after giving his. It was the fact that his thoughts were highly inconclusive, and after more prodding became even more hard to figure out.
(02:20:00 AM) spies8owen: Yeah. That and how quickly he put it on Gabriel.
(02:20:04 AM) spies8tina: I forget who said later they talked to him and he was more sure of Zed-spy though then citizen
(02:20:29 AM) spies8kiara: was there a basis for thinking he was more spy over cit?
(02:20:32 AM) spies8owen: Without talking to Zed myself, I'm on town-lean.
(02:21:07 AM) spies8owen: I have more faith in Sam than to pick someone who would get caught in that stupid of a lie early.
(02:21:17 AM) spies8tina: I just heard it through someone, I think Nita but might have been Jenny.
(02:22:07 AM) spies8owen: Very sloppy if he isn't town.
(02:22:20 AM) spies8owen: ...kinda sloppy even if he's town, too.
(02:24:01 AM) spies8kiara: He seems to not understand very much about the game, the sloppiness seems sketchy but if he is just new to mafia games then that could prove sloppiness or he is new and a sloppy spy or just a spy who made a mistake and is trying to cover up his tracks....either way we turn right now based off of that chat...he just seems to be a sloppy player
(02:24:34 AM) spies8tina: spies8jenny (7:00:22 PM):He's telling me he's pretty sure that Zeddy is a spy.spies8tina (7:00:48 PM):spies8jenny (7:00:52 PM):Saying he's not convinced about the whole thing.
(02:24:47 AM) spies8owen: Alexei was telling her this?
(02:24:55 AM) spies8tina: Apparently.
(02:25:07 AM) spies8owen: I think I remember him saying in there that he didn't think he was a spy.
(02:25:18 AM) spies8owen: *searches*
(02:25:21 AM) spies8tina: Should be something interesting to push on.
(02:25:47 AM) spies8kiara: Hmmm unless he spoke to Zed privately I don't seem how he could be THAT sure he was a spy based on that chat
(02:25:57 AM) spies8tina: Could even be interesting to have someone approach him saying "I think Zed is town" and then someone else say "I think Zed is spy" and see what happens.
(02:26:08 AM) spies8tina: If his level of conviction changes.
(02:26:12 AM) spies8owen: You have to watch out for the ones picking easy targets early.
(02:26:46 AM) spies8owen: Given, Alexei COULD actually be onto something, it just seemed a bit off. We'll see.
(02:27:14 AM) spies8owen: Ohhh, very good idea Tina.
(02:27:31 AM) spies8owen: I actually really like that.
(02:28:22 AM) spies8tina: Not the biggest fan of lying as town, but it might work.
(02:28:48 AM) spies8owen: Lying as town is a death sentence in my opinion.
(02:29:00 AM) spies8owen: But if it's something planned out and discussed with others and it's to hunt... yeah, I'm all for it.
(02:29:02 AM) spies8kiara: That would be very interesting to see Tina.....hmmm....I want to talk to both Alexi and Zed myself too though to try to see more of the way they each present themselves
(02:29:51 AM) spies8tina: Well, I will try and sleep on it. We all have realized our master plan is full of holes at one point or another.
(02:30:22 AM) spies8kiara: Yes I must head to bed now also, it is already 2:30 am and I must be up early!
(02:30:49 AM) spies8tina: Ok. I am actually going to head out soon too I think.
(02:31:29 AM) spies8kiara: Have a great night you two! It was great to meet you both and I look forward to chatting with you tomorrow!
After that conversation I plan to try to talk with Alexi and Zed tomorrow each privately to see what they have to say on the matter and to learn how they converse and present their facts. Hopefully we can pull some sort of clues out tomorrow!
Things to do tomorrow:
-Meet and introduce myself to the following:
Alexi
Allan
Dane
Gabriel
Hambone
Nita
Rondak
Savannah
Themba
Zed
- Try to hunt a little in a private convo with Alexi and Zed.