Episode 4 Convos

[Lilith]

spies8tina is available 9:19 pm
spies8lilith 9:19 pm
Do you think Isaac is a spy? Jenny?
Neither? Both? lol
spies8tina 9:19 pm
I would say at least one.
I would be voting Isaac tonight if I could.
Jenny is not a bad exile in the least bit however.
spies8lilith 9:21 pm
I feel like Claude is more a spy than either of them at this moment.
People keep doing new things that trigger me and then I think they're mafia and not others.
And other people keep floating by like Kiara, I really badly want to get a cop investigation and use it on her, LOL.
spies8tina 9:22 pm
I think there are better picks then Kiara.
spies8lilith 9:22 pm
I would personally pick someone who people aren't considering exiling, to make sure it wasn't a spy slipping by.
spies8tina 9:23 pm
You have to pick someone who is useful to know alignment, will not be exiled and will not be imprisoned.
spies8lilith 9:23 pm
People like Kiara might make it to near the end, then everyone realizes how quiet she has been, and regardless of what she does, she'll get lynched without being examined properly because of how laid back she is.
spies8tina 9:24 pm
Either way, I have Claude as cit, in part due to reads on others. Also have Kiara as cittish due to old-Kiara.
spies8lilith 9:24 pm
Also - I don't think I want to win a Senate vote yet. What do you think? >_< :-P
spies8tina 9:24 pm
I would only fight for one if it would be going to someone who I did not think was cit.
Like the Owen power.
spies8lilith 9:25 pm
Right now the spies have two choices: split up their people, or all stay in the senate so they can control the nominations, I'm afraid of the latter.
spies8lilith 10:04 pm
I think you might be the next target, or Stephanie after what happened and how more people are agreeing that she is a citizen.
spies8tina 10:08 pm
Maybe. I think my chances in this game depend on a few alignments.
spies8lilith 10:08 pm
I don't think I follow, lol.
Alignments of people you trust?
spies8tina 10:08 pm
If Isaac is a cit, my chances of going are lower then if he is a spy.
spies8lilith 10:08 pm
Why is that?
spies8tina 10:09 pm
If he is a spy I have been a driving force behind two exiles.
If he is a cit, I have been proactive, but not getting spies exiled so chance is probably less.
spies8lilith 10:09 pm
The past two spies have both been people who were widely thought of as citizen.
Gabe didn't suspect ANYONE (to my knowledge)
So they aren't killing people who suspect wrong or right.
spies8tina 10:10 pm
Would still think I am a top pick, but not necessarily gone.
spies8tina 10:10 pm
If Isaac is a spy I will be rapidly making my "last thoughts" post.
spies8lilith 10:12 pm
I think you should do it anyways - to someone in private - maybe Owen? I think I might too, just in case.
spies8tina 10:13 pm
I probably will either way, just will not be as hurried if Isaac is cit.
spies8lilith 10:14 pm
I just realized you indirectly told me who Owen is thinking about imprisoning :-P . LOL
I told Owen I don't want to know, because then I'd start worrying more. I'm already unsure as it is about both of them, haha.
spies8tina 10:14 pm
I think it is about 70-30 that it will be Isaac.
spies8lilith 10:15 pm
I'm already starting to worry, I think I'll just let it happen and hope I'm wrong.
Right now I think Jenny is more of a spy than Isaac, :-P .
I, however, don't think either of them are spies.
spies8lilith 11:17 pm
I think I am a little shocked, LOL.
spies8tina 11:17 pm
I am relieved I had it right.
spies8lilith 11:36 pm
Any prefs. on who wins?
spies8tina 11:36 pm
You, Brod or Claude.
spies8lilith 11:40 pm
I might have to get off in a second, but good luck if I do.

spies8tina 11:40 pm
Thanks.

[Lilith]

spies8stephanie is available 9:48 pm
spies8stephanie 9:48 pm
hi lil
spies8lilith 9:49 pm
Hey
spies8stephanie 9:49 pm
o
i'm not sure what to think about claude
spies8lilith 9:50 pm
I think if he is town he has tunnel vision.
:-P
Maybe me having an openmind about everything is bad because I keep changing it, LOL.
spies8stephanie 9:50 pm
what are you making of the vote fog?
spies8lilith 9:51 pm
Either Rondak or Claude trying to keep themselves out of the top 3.
Or someone trying to screw with us.
spies8stephanie 9:51 pm
my thoughts now are leaning towards being connected with a bribe somehow
spies8lilith 9:51 pm
I think it could also *POSSIBLY* be a citizen's role who just didn't want Rondak or Claude to go up... OR an inventor role who gave somebody this 1-time ability.
Are bribes made public?
spies8stephanie 9:51 pm
one was
spies8lilith 9:52 pm
I just assumed they all were :-P .
lol
spies8stephanie 9:52 pm
last exile sam said we have had our first public bribe
spies8lilith 9:52 pm
Ahhhh, ok.
spies8stephanie 9:52 pm
which immediately led me down the private bribe path
spies8stephanie 9:53 pm
i was actually very interested in seeing if gertrude had a vote this time
spies8lilith 9:53 pm
?
What do you mean a vote?
lol
spies8stephanie 9:53 pm
or if her immunity also took away her vote
spies8lilith 9:53 pm
oooo
spies8stephanie 9:53 pm
a vote for nomination
still don't understand why anyone would make gertrude immune
except gertrude
was she on anybody's radar?
spies8lilith 9:54 pm
Chance was immune before.
She wasn't on teh radar, making me think it's kinda randomish?
spies8stephanie 9:55 pm
sam's post said that it was the result of a role
who knows
i had some complicated theory about claude's role being totally bogus and chance's immunity and no-vote being due to a bribe
and the same thing happened with gert
but there are way too many holes in the theory
as tina pointed out to me
spies8stephanie 9:57 pm
anyway we should know if allan can confirm claude's role
spies8lilith 9:57 pm
Allan supposedly did, but only to Claude in private PM (huh?).
spies8stephanie 9:58 pm
what good does that do?
spies8lilith 9:58 pm
I don't know.
spies8stephanie 9:58 pm
gonna ask claude...
or try to
spies8stephanie 10:01 pm
and allan's never around to ask
i don't think dane is actually playing the game
spies8lilith 10:03 pm
Has he done anything recently?
spies8stephanie 10:03 pm
he hasn't done anything ever as far as i can tell
tried to confuse the vote fog thread by saying something wrong about ties
picked me out to vote and hasn't voted anyone else, or even looked at anyone else
or even kept up at all
spies8lilith 10:04 pm
Oh, I thought that was just him being dumb, I already know he isn't a very smart person, LOL.
spies8stephanie 10:05 pm
the two people i'd like imprisoned: dane and broderick
spies8lilith 10:05 pm
Really?
Ooo! Imprisoned!
I don't think that'll happen yet, LOL.
I have a theory they are going after the innocent original republicans.
spies8stephanie 10:06 pm
no, but i can keep hoping
spies8lilith 10:06 pm
And by innocent, I mean "widely-viewed as citizen" people.
spies8stephanie 10:06 pm
cause the doc is there?
spies8lilith 10:06 pm
I think you or Tina will be next.
Not just the doctor.
But the whole "More reps. than the dem." side thing strikes me as odd.
Like a rumor made up by the spies or something.
spies8stephanie 10:07 pm
jenny?
spies8lilith 10:07 pm
And thinking about it, if they DO keep imprisoning original republicans, people will say "Look! We only hit 1 spy from the original republicans, there has to be more, let's exile them first" ... or something
Jenny what?
spies8stephanie 10:07 pm
jenny might be source of that rumor?
spies8lilith 10:07 pm
She is?
spies8stephanie 10:08 pm
just speculating
spies8lilith 10:08 pm
I thought it was something people on the Dem side said, lol.
spies8stephanie 10:08 pm
and jen was on dem side for a while
maybe rondak -- he voted no-exile didn't her?
he*
spies8lilith 10:09 pm
No idea who came up with the idea :-P .
spies8stephanie 10:09 pm
i still can't believe i could be next -- geez i'm up for exile
how could i be imprisoned?
spies8lilith 10:10 pm
Because of how you were up for exile, people are going to begin assuming you are a citizen. If EVERYONE thinks that, you might be a threat to the spies.
Gabe and Nita have been prisoned. The only thing they both had was they were largely thought of as citizen and both republicans :-P .
I think they are doing the "imprison someone who people htink are citizens" strategy
I did get that idea from someone else, but it makes sense.
Along with hunting for the doctor, along with maybe the original republican side had less spies and they want that side wiped out first.
spies8stephanie 10:32 pm
ok, i found that allan confirmed claude's role
poop
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spies8lilith 10:56 pm

I thought it said you sent me a message, lol
spies8stephanie is available 11:03 pm
spies8stephanie 11:04 pm
i thought mary was the vampire
spies8lilith 11:05 pm
I'm the good vampire, she's the spy mean one ;-) .
:-P
spies8stephanie 11:17 pm
damn does this mean jasmine is cit
spies8lilith 11:17 pm
No
I thought they might be bussing eachother.
spies8stephanie 11:18 pm
oh i hope so
spies8lilith 11:18 pm
The only reason Isaac would sound insincere in his accusations, is if he intended to BUS Jasmine.
Did you think it was him, yes?
spies8stephanie 11:19 pm
think who was what?
spies8lilith 11:19 pm
Did you think Isaac was a spy?
spies8stephanie 11:19 pm
totally on the fence
not much of a read of him at all
i thought of the jas/isaac pair that jas was more likely
spies8stephanie 11:20 pm
i hardly talked to isaac at all
and, of course, i never believed in the themba/isaac spy pair
spies8stephanie 11:42 pm
even brod?
spies8lilith 11:42 pm
Yes
spies8stephanie 11:48 pm
ahhhhh
not kiara, i don't trust her
spies8lilith 12:56 am
I have a feeling you might be imprisoned.
Or if they think I am the doctor and that the citizens think that, I might be imprisoned >_<. But moreso you, lol.
spies8stephanie 12:57 am
tina told me that she was worried
but i think cinn and mary should be more worried
spies8stephanie 12:59 am
i still think that i was up for exile, how could i be imprisoned?
does that mean that dane, larry, and jenny are giving up on ever exiling me?
and then who would they vote for?
it would be interesting tho -- especially if they voted as a block again
spies8lilith 1:02 am
I am convincing Jenny it isn't you ;-) .
spies8stephanie 1:02 am
lol, have you figured out why she thinks it IS me?
spies8lilith 1:03 am
That was exaggerated, Jenny just told me she agrees it isn't you, lol.
I'd have to go back and read, but I'm fairly confident she never gave me an answer.
spies8stephanie 1:03 am
oh crap, jenny going along with the crowd again
and jenny never really giving any answers again
spies8stephanie 1:06 am
oh and who does she think it is now?
and does she have a reason?
inquiring mind want to know
spies8lilith 1:08 am
Her reasons for not suspecting you wer ebecause you were up in the nominees in the vote anonymosity.
I am not talking to her currently, lol.
spies8stephanie 1:09 am
well that's a sucky reason
i still think the fog had to do with a bribe

[Lilith]

spies8owen is offline 6:18 pm
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spies8lilith 6:18 pm
You have said either Jenny or Isaac will go most likely. But Jenny doesn't seemed worried to me. Which almost makes me think Jenny is a spy and you might be too and she know she's safe.
spies8owen is available 7:30 pm
spies8lilith 9:54 pm
I have an idea .
spies8owen 9:54 pm
Yes
?
spies8lilith 9:55 pm
Can the messenger role, be it citizen or spy, send multiple messages?
I don't know if Sav explained her role or not.
spies8owen 9:55 pm
Not sure about that.
spies8lilith 9:56 pm
Basically I want the messenger to contact me somehow, see what I can do with them, LOL.
spies8owen 9:56 pm
All I know is that she claimed messenger to Gabriel and Jenny after votes were due.
Hmm, how would we get them to contact you? (I'm guessing this is the part you're not sure about yet)
spies8lilith 9:57 pm
Tell them I'll accept bribes for the entire game and vote however they want if they kill a certain person, or something like that? LOL
spies8lilith 9:57 pm
Nah, I'd need to give them more.
Btw.
I tihnk I should start fake-accusing you and Tina, LOL.
spies8owen 10:00 pm
To see who jumps on it?
spies8lilith 10:00 pm
Oh, no, lol.
Because if people think that I am the doctor, or know who the doctor is, then if I accuse of tihnk someone might be mafia, mafia will assume that person isn't the doctor or whatever.
Basically, I would do it so mafia wouldn't kill you, lol.
spies8owen 10:01 pm
Interesting...
Honestly, I think I'm dead soon either way.
spies8lilith 10:01 pm
I think me and Tina have been almost buddy-buddy ish in chat and she might be a target for the spies, which I don't like.
spies8owen 10:01 pm
I have too much info with all of the questions I asked.
Stuff to use against them possibly.
spies8lilith 10:01 pm

You should put it all out there, see who can validate their ideas, lol.
spies8lilith 10:02 pm
Only if you think you're dead though.
You still have a round right?
spies8owen 10:02 pm
People do change their minds and such, but if they're really inconsistent with stuff, then yeah.
Yep, I've got another round.
I don't know if I should post them at the moment, because really, it could be like imprisonment applications for the Spies.
spies8lilith 10:03 pm
LOL!
spies8lilith 10:05 pm
Have you decided what you're doing tonight? I think I'd rather not know yet though, because then I
'll go back and read up and doubt everythign and worry, lol.
spies8owen 10:06 pm
I'm actually not completely decided. I'm pretty sure of what I'm going to do though.
spies8lilith 11:00 pm
Can I fake out Jenny just to see how she reacts?
Like - tell her you voted her? (I am assuming you voted Isaac)
spies8owen 11:00 pm
Already doing that
lmfao
spies8lilith 11:00 pm
O
LOL
kk
spies8owen 11:00 pm
Wouldn't hurt if one more person tried it.
spies8lilith 11:01 pm
I am.
I'm doing it the round about way.
Asking her for her last message :-P .
LOL
spies8owen 11:03 pm
She still seems interested in the spy messenger thing.
After I hinted that I'm voting her out.
<3's the town.
spies8lilith 11:06 pm
In case I didn't say this: I do not want to be in the Senate.
I am fearful that if all the spies try to stay back, they can control nominations and screw us all.
spies8lilith 11:17 pm
You made a better decision than I would have, LOL.
Choose someone you trust isn't a spy (obviously).
spies8lilith 11:22 pm
I was going to suggest choosing someone that didn't vote Isaac, but every single person except Tina, I do not trust, LOL.
spies8lilith 11:25 pm
You just suggested they are a power role
unless you want that to be suggested ;-) lol
Mary thinks or has suggested I am a spy, LOL.
spies8owen 11:26 pm
You'll be fine.
spies8lilith 11:26 pm
I am always wary of people that suspect me, thus why I do not know abotu her, LOL.
spies8owen 11:29 pm
She was onto Isaac for a while.
spies8lilith 11:30 pm
Ok. XD
I'll trust your judgment. I was unsure about Kiara, but the way Tina talked about old Kiara made me more confident.
spies8owen 11:31 pm
I'm pretty unsure about Kiara still.
We don't talk at all.
spies8lilith 11:31 pm
I told Tina I want to investigate her if given the chance :-P .
But now I am unsure.
I don't like the people who go by unnoticed
If they are a spy, it's bad, if they ARE a citizen, they'll get noticed near the end and will get brutally attacked for being so unnoticed
spies8lilith 11:35 pm
Any prefs. on who wins?
spies8owen 11:36 pm
Is it only 1 person?
I asked Sam, no answer.
spies8lilith 11:36 pm
he said earlier 1 more
spies8owen 11:36 pm
kk, good.
Then I'm fine with whatever.
I trust Mary.

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spies8hambone is available 1:14 am
spies8lilith 1:14 am
Ugh.
Even if we do get Claude nominated, I don't think he'll go anywhere.
spies8hambone 1:15 am
hmm?
do u not trust him?
spies8lilith 1:15 am
Who? Claude?
spies8hambone 1:15 am
yes
spies8lilith 1:15 am
I do not.
I feel like he "overattacked" Isaac, as someone else rephrased my words.
spies8hambone 1:16 am
oh
spies8hambone 1:16 am
i dont rly have anything to say for the isaac matter
i literally never had a single conversation with him
lol
spies8lilith 1:16 am
I didn't think any of the noms were spies... I'm glad I was wrong :-P ... lol.
spies8hambone 1:16 am
ya
well Jenny is :-)
unfortunately
isaac being a spy
means that jenny most likely isnt
the spies would let 2 of them get nominated would they?
spies8lilith 1:18 am
I have no idea.
I can't decide on Jenny/

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