Chats: Jasmine or Dane

[Lilith]

spies8jasmine is available (10:42:02 PM)
spies8lilith (10:42:17 PM): Ok, just by the way you and Dane are talking. My current read is that you both are innocent. And I am fairly confident Zed and Stephanie are spies. I really have no connections to anyone (being new and all) and barely anyone to talk to about my suspcions so I'm just going to bounce them off you and Dane and see what yall say, lol.
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spies8jasmine (10:42:51 PM): but ive been suspcious of themab
spies8jasmine (10:42:55 PM): themba*
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spies8lilith (10:43:34 PM): I was at first when Tina started talking about her, but after reading her thread post, I wasn't sure anymore. The way Zed responded when I questioned him about his past, it just seemed to me like he was mafia.
spies8lilith (10:43:53 PM): He was just short and his overall play style doesn't seem like how a town would play in my opinion.
spies8jasmine (10:44:20 PM): Gotcha. I need to talk to him more as well, I haven't gotton a good read on him--he doesn't say much.
spies8jasmine (10:44:28 PM): Dane suspects Themba, Steph, and Zed..right?
spies8lilith (10:44:40 PM): Stephanie so much only because she is defending Zed and trying to make him stay around longer.
spies8lilith (10:44:54 PM): I don't know who Dane suspects, I just like the way he is acting and it seems town to me, lol.
spies8jasmine (10:45:03 PM): Oh okay. lol.
spies8jasmine (10:45:05 PM): Hmm.
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spies8jasmine (10:45:28 PM): I think we just need to try and get them to talk more about what happened with them on their team
spies8jasmine (10:45:33 PM): thats what imma do anything
spies8jasmine (10:45:35 PM): anyways*
spies8jasmine (10:45:40 PM): might give us something
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spies8lilith (10:46:34 PM): One thing on Zed is that Sav suspected him and we KNOW Sav was a citizen. So we have a citizen's suspscion on Zed.
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spies8lilith (10:46:43 PM): Gabe told me this last night.
spies8jasmine (10:47:06 PM): Yea, PLus they said she voted for Steph
spies8jasmine (10:47:12 PM): so i think zed/steph as possible spies
spies8jasmine (10:47:18 PM): is a good thought as of right now.
spies8lilith (10:47:25 PM): O shoot, I didn't even realize that.
spies8lilith (10:47:44 PM): I was just listening to Steph in the chat yesterday and how she was talking about Zed.
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spies8jasmine (10:48:28 PM): lol. i didnt see anything of her defending him
spies8lilith (10:48:34 PM): After just 2 rounds, she says "I think Zed is going to be the **** of this game" (someone in a previous game that kept being suspect but nevre voted out. Aka, it's like she was trying to imply he wasn't goin to get voted out and he was innocent. And something about how she was saying it sounded wrong to me.
spies8jasmine (10:48:37 PM): but if she is, it might be a perfect example of them working together.
spies8lilith (10:48:56 PM): She's not outright doing it, but the way she says it, it implants a seed in ur mind to not vote him off and that he is innocent.
spies8lilith (10:49:13 PM): Like she is TRYING to make him be someone that everyone suspects but doesn't vote off.
spies8jasmine (10:49:23 PM): now brod is trying to defend steph. -_-.
spies8jasmine (10:49:26 PM): yea i know what u mean
spies8jasmine (10:49:40 PM): I don't really suspect him tho--brod.
spies8jasmine (10:49:45 PM): i just think he doesnt like me, and is set that he thinks im a spy
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spies8jasmine (10:49:53 PM): lol
spies8lilith (10:49:58 PM): Brod suspects both you and Dane (i think) which makes me fishy, but after talking to him, I don't think he is a spy, but not highly confident, lol.
spies8lilith (10:50:11 PM): Ooo, I typed that before even reading what u said, it's good we agree on that, LOL.
spies8jasmine is available (10:50:32 PM)
spies8jasmine (10:50:56 PM): LOL. yea, im the same way
spies8jasmine (10:50:57 PM): im not confident
spies8jasmine (10:51:00 PM): but as of right now
spies8jasmine (10:51:01 PM): i dont think he is
spies8jasmine (10:51:02 PM): lol
spies8jasmine (10:51:09 PM): he jsut keeps suspecting people who i dont think r spies
spies8jasmine (10:51:13 PM): like before he thought it was me
spies8jasmine (10:51:20 PM): he thought it was like claude
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spies8jasmine (10:51:24 PM): etc
spies8jasmine (10:51:30 PM): people i didnt think were spies at all
spies8lilith (10:52:00 PM): Ooo, that sounds like me. I get suspcious of like everyone and accuse everyone at some point in most games and then people discredit my opinion. But eventually I settle down on someone and people don't think my opinion is valid because I've accused everyone by that point .
spies8lilith (10:52:24 PM): Like Gabe first time i spoke to him i went from thinking he had to be a citizen to unsure and leaning towards spy. Then he dies --_-- ...lol
spies8lilith (10:52:27 PM): and Tina I just can't get a read on
spies8lilith (10:52:45 PM): those are really the only 2, besides Brod, that i've actually spoken to, and a brief interaction with Zed in which he kept it short
spies8lilith (10:52:51 PM): and his response, to me, wasn't that of a town
spies8jasmine (10:52:52 PM): Hm, the more you pointed out Zed/Steph the more i think it might be true. lol. Because, i'm not sure how legit this is--but they were both online most of the day of the imprisonment, like before it happened. They weren't very chatty with me either. So they couldve been chatty with eachother/other spies.
spies8lilith (10:54:32 PM): Yay, now I am happy, cuz you're atleast talking to me about my suspcions, and even if you are a spy trying to lead me down the right path (I really doubt you are, but if you were, you're doing a good job cuz ), I am very happy someone is atleast INTERESTED in talknig about suspiscions. Others have been like, not passionate and just matter of fact about things, and I couldn't read them at all.
spies8jasmine (10:55:18 PM): LOL. yea I know what you mean!
spies8jasmine (10:55:42 PM): I'm hoping they all stay online for most of the night, . i wanna get some evidence!!!
spies8jasmine (10:55:43 PM): lol
spies8lilith (10:55:50 PM): lol
spies8jasmine (10:56:18 PM): I love how they havent outright been suspcious of everyoen thus far either
spies8jasmine (10:56:21 PM): like this round anyways
spies8lilith (10:56:28 PM): Who?
spies8jasmine (10:56:32 PM): steph/zed/themba
spies8jasmine (10:56:35 PM): even owen/kiara
spies8jasmine (10:56:38 PM): the republicans in general
spies8jasmine (10:56:59 PM): i was thinking they were going to try and let us democrats eat eachother
spies8lilith (10:57:00 PM): Ahhh
spies8jasmine (10:57:03 PM): because we came over with such baggage
spies8lilith (10:57:08 PM): (I don't know republicans from democrats ).. lol
spies8jasmine (10:57:12 PM): oh.
spies8lilith (10:57:17 PM): Being a replacement and all, lol
spies8jasmine (10:57:26 PM): me, issac, lawrence, and brod were the democrats.
spies8lilith (10:57:31 PM): The way Tina talked to me first time I thought I was on her team originally, lol
spies8lilith (10:57:36 PM): only four?
spies8jasmine (10:57:43 PM): i think u were too
spies8lilith (10:57:47 PM): i was too, yes
spies8jasmine (10:57:53 PM): so us 5.
spies8jasmine is available (11:08:38 PM)
spies8lilith (11:08:42 PM): Part of me wants to voice to everyone that I strongly suspect Steph and Zed (just to see how they react) but I am also afraid that if they are mafia I'll be a big target to them. And if nobody believes me then the mafia will def. want to get rid of me eventually and then I got myself killed for nothing, lol.
spies8lilith (11:08:57 PM): But part of me also feels like there's people on my team I haven't looked at enough.
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spies8lilith (11:09:16 PM): I feel like mafia might be smart and just try to stay as low as possible and blend in, cuz right now I am overlooking a lot of people, lol.
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spies8lilith (11:09:36 PM): And hell, there could only be 2 or less mafia on our side, and right now there's a lot of people i'm hesitant about, lol.
spies8jasmine is available (11:11:24 PM)
spies8jasmine (11:12:14 PM): I don't think you should hesitant to call them out, if you can back it up
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spies8jasmine (11:12:24 PM): and you wont be 100% alone if dane thinks that as well, and im starting to.
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spies8lilith (11:14:27 PM): Mafia can't fake being a town the same way a town things. Not even a really good mafia.
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spies8lilith (11:14:50 PM): Mafia know in the back of their minds, even if they try to ignore it, who mafia really are. So they can't "scumhunt" with sincerity like real town people do.
spies8lilith (11:15:05 PM): That is what I look for, but it's hard to use logic when talking about how I think people are acting.
spies8jasmine (11:15:25 PM): Thats the same here. I don't like arguing my point either
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spies8jasmine (11:15:31 PM): LOL
spies8lilith (11:16:24 PM): I'm fine with arguing my point, but I know that there's always that one guy who knows how to use big words and convinving logic. As town or mafia, that player is dangerous cuz he can look like his logic is superior and a great debate person and can be convincing. And those people scare me.
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spies8lilith (11:16:48 PM): And from a host perspective, you know atleast one of those type of players is going to be mafia, in order to make a good balance (having mafias with different startegies).
spies8jasmine (11:18:09 PM): Yea, I could totally see that as well. The people who have a hard time explaining themselves/using good words, etc
spies8jasmine (11:18:11 PM): will be the cits
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spies8lilith (11:18:44 PM): lol
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spies8lilith (11:19:02 PM): I wasn't saying all, I think the mafia will be a mix of lurkers, people good at argueing, and one person that everyone loves
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spies8lilith (11:20:51 PM): So I am talking to Stephanie one on one right now to get a better read (I honestly only judged her on a few comments that made me feel odd) and now she is not helping her case, lol.
spies8jasmine (11:21:03 PM): oh? lol. Are you talking to Dane as well?
spies8lilith (11:21:11 PM): He left ?
spies8lilith (11:21:14 PM): He said, i think, lol.
spies8jasmine (11:21:43 PM): Oh okay!
spies8jasmine (11:21:43 PM): lol
spies8jasmine (11:21:50 PM): ive yet to speak to him
spies8jasmine (11:21:52 PM): other then during the challenge
spies8jasmine is available (11:48:24 PM)
spies8lilith (11:49:35 PM): I'll be honest, I was suspiscious of Steph, after talking to her I am pulling back to "Unsure" (where a lot of people are, rofl), but I don't want to admit that in case I change my mind later, lol.
spies8jasmine (11:50:03 PM): LOL. Okay. I'm starting to wonder why Zed doesn't speak much
spies8jasmine (11:50:08 PM): if he's trying to play the dumb/clueless
spies8jasmine (11:50:14 PM): because he is really spy
spies8jasmine (11:50:17 PM): or maybe he's new as well
spies8jasmine (11:50:18 PM): just not sure
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spies8lilith (11:53:25 PM): Zed claimed he was new
spies8lilith (11:53:42 PM): But I don't think so
spies8lilith (11:53:44 PM): I don't get that
spies8jasmine (11:53:47 PM): I'm new, but i think claiming that can be an easy lie as a spy as ell.
spies8lilith (11:53:48 PM): if Zed claims he is new
spies8lilith (11:53:52 PM): how he we use the term HQ
spies8lilith (11:54:04 PM): my theory was maybe he was a spy in a past game and that's why he said HQ
spies8jasmine (11:54:11 PM): well i know a lot of people play on epicmafia.com
spies8lilith (11:54:13 PM): but if he is new, he would barely know what HQ is, lol
spies8lilith (11:54:22 PM): epicmafia doesn't have a HQ though (does it? lol)
spies8jasmine (11:54:28 PM): HQ = Headquaters?
spies8jasmine (11:54:30 PM): no it doesnt
spies8jasmine (11:54:30 PM): lol
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spies8jasmine (11:54:43 PM): for what?
spies8jasmine (11:54:47 PM): i missed this!!
spies8jasmine (11:54:47 PM): lol
spies8jasmine (11:56:10 PM): wat is this HQ remark? So confused.
spies8lilith (11:56:38 PM): O!
spies8lilith (11:56:40 PM): You don't know?
spies8lilith (11:56:46 PM): LOL YAY I GET TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING
spies8lilith (11:56:51 PM): actually i'll probably misexplain it
spies8jasmine (11:56:51 PM): NO! omg explain
spies8jasmine (11:56:56 PM): omg try your best!!
spies8jasmine (11:56:57 PM): lol
spies8lilith (11:57:03 PM): but there was some sort of comment made about are we allowed to post in the forum
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spies8lilith (11:57:28 PM): And HQ is what spies called their forums in all the past spy games.
spies8lilith (11:57:33 PM): So people thought it was a slip up.
spies8jasmine (11:57:37 PM):
spies8lilith (11:57:51 PM): I realize my explanation is like playing telephone, Tina or someone else can probably explain it better.
spies8lilith (11:58:07 PM): This happened 1st episode though, and no one voted him second episod,e and instead the person that suspected Zed (Sav) got voted out.
spies8jasmine (11:58:12 PM): omg tho, do spies have chats and stuff--cause maybe he was in multiple chats
spies8jasmine (11:58:15 PM): and then that would be a slip up
spies8lilith (11:58:22 PM): The fact that Sav was innocent and who her suscpions were make an impression on me.
spies8lilith (11:58:51 PM): I thought it could be a slip up, like, if you're a spy you look at the word HQ all day on the forum. And then you use it in talking, even if you don't mean to.
spies8lilith (11:59:13 PM): (In Psychology, when talking, you unconsciously overhear other people talking, and unconscious use the same words they do without knowing it, I forget the term)
spies8lilith (11:59:22 PM): but something like that, he sees the woord HQ all day, and uses it in chat on accident
spies8lilith (11:59:26 PM): and someone calls him out on it
spies8jasmine (11:59:33 PM): Thats true, but also. i think spies can talk together--even if they are on different teams, right? They prolly have group chats on aim. And if he said that in like a republican chatroom. he could have thought it was a spy asking it in the spy chatroom.
spies8lilith (11:59:49 PM): i didn't explain the psychology part to anyone else but u, i think most people think he slipped up and called the Republican base the spy base name
spies8lilith (12:00:07 AM): I don't know, I don't remember who he was talking with.
spies8jasmine (12:00:11 AM): hm
spies8lilith (12:00:21 AM): Although yes, I would assume spies can talk to eachother across teams, since they have to all kill one person .
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spies8lilith (12:18:59 AM): Thank you for responding, the silence made me feel like my ideas were stupid or something, LOL.
spies8jasmine (12:19:09 AM): omg they arent
spies8jasmine (12:19:15 AM): these people arent as talkative as the democratics
spies8jasmine (12:19:17 AM): i really miss them
spies8jasmine (12:19:18 AM):
spies8jasmine (12:19:18 AM): lol
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spies8lilith (12:33:08 AM): I kind of want to go join the other side, LOL. Even Gabe told me the other day that this side isn't very lively (I can't remember if he said serious or boring, lol) and that the other is the more intergative side, lol.
spies8lilith (12:33:11 AM): I can't read this people.
spies8lilith (12:33:39 AM): Seriously, everything everyone says makes me think they are mafia (Tina's lack of open suspiscions, just asking questions, Stephanie's attitude in chat is different than one on one, lol)
spies8jasmine (12:33:55 AM): Stephanie is so odd, Tina is as well.
spies8jasmine (12:33:57 AM): They are just so quiet
spies8lilith (12:33:59 AM): They all seem slightly mafiaish to me yet i know they can't all be mafia, lol
spies8jasmine (12:34:00 AM): it bugs me. lol.
spies8jasmine (12:34:05 AM): Yea, i know wat u mean
spies8jasmine (12:34:09 AM): the democratics were more out there
spies8jasmine (12:34:13 AM): we'd all openly discuss
spies8jasmine (12:34:16 AM): and screm at eachother
spies8jasmine (12:34:16 AM): etc
spies8jasmine (12:34:21 AM): scream*
spies8lilith (12:34:22 AM): Tina is so iffy to me. Like I don't know if she is town or mafia at all (she's the first person I talked to).
spies8lilith (12:34:36 AM): She took time to explain what I missed, but when I questioned stuff and had my opinions on things she didn't really react.
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spies8lilith (12:35:02 AM): I don't know if she didn't care cuz I was new or if it's her personality or if she is mafia and I was questioning something she didn't want to be brought back up, lol.
spies8lilith (12:35:09 AM): Not saying she's mafia, she's just so hard to read for me, LOL.
spies8jasmine (12:35:18 AM): lol. Same here, Ive yet to talk to her, tbh
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spies8jasmine (12:35:54 AM): LOL.
spies8jasmine (12:36:01 AM): "I forgot you were on this team Tina" "Thats not very nice"
spies8jasmine (12:36:02 AM): lmaooo
spies8lilith (12:36:07 AM): Btw, Tina claimed she was voting Alexei, but switched at the last minute, just info on her.
spies8jasmine (12:36:17 AM): ahh, who did she switch to?
spies8lilith (12:36:38 AM): I don't remember, but the way she explained it was because of the way Alexei defended himself.
spies8lilith (12:36:48 AM): It SOUNDS fishy, but I just believed it, lol.
spies8lilith (12:36:52 AM): Themba also did the same thing.
spies8lilith (12:37:13 AM): I honestly think mafia would try to blend in and vote Alexei anyways though to be honest, lol.
spies8lilith (12:37:23 AM): I don't know, I have too many conflicting ideas, lol.
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spies8jasmine (12:38:35 AM): yea, the votes ended up bein close tho
spies8jasmine (12:38:38 AM): im looking at the history
spies8jasmine (12:38:42 AM): 6 people voted alexei
spies8jasmine (12:38:46 AM): 4 people voted zedekiah
spies8jasmine (12:38:51 AM): and zedekiah is quiet
spies8jasmine (12:39:01 AM): people may have thought he wouldnt vote or post conversations
spies8jasmine (12:39:01 AM): or something
spies8jasmine (12:39:04 AM): never know
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spies8lilith (12:40:20 AM): Everything Stephanie is saying, INDIRECTLY, is suggesting Zed isn't mafia
spies8lilith (12:40:22 AM): grrrrrr
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spies8jasmine (12:40:58 AM): I know, she really is defensive over him
spies8jasmine (12:40:59 AM):
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spies8lilith (12:44:25 AM): It's not really defending though, it's so indirect, lol.
spies8jasmine (12:45:01 AM): i dont think a spy would be dumb enough to do that tho
spies8jasmine (12:45:05 AM): to always defend one of there own
spies8jasmine (12:45:15 AM): so ya, idk
spies8jasmine (12:45:20 AM): i almost think they both cant be spies
spies8jasmine (12:45:21 AM): but one prolly is
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spies8lilith (12:47:53 AM): I actually don't think Stephanie is a spy
spies8lilith (12:47:57 AM): after still talking to her, lol
spies8lilith (12:48:01 AM): for now
spies8lilith (12:48:03 AM): i don't know
spies8lilith (12:48:19 AM): i keep changing my mind, and i feel like revealing my mind helps me and others, but at the same time, causes me to change my mind more, LOL
spies8jasmine (12:48:27 AM): Yea, I'm so unsure. They don't talk enough for me to get a vibe of them.
spies8jasmine (12:48:32 AM): off*
spies8jasmine (12:48:42 AM): I have a feeling I might be targetted for just being outspoken.
spies8jasmine (12:48:55 AM): Or Brod/Isaac will for similar stuff, all based on democratic drama.
spies8lilith (12:48:57 AM): I don't think so, I hope not, Lol.
spies8lilith (12:49:04 AM): What is Brod/Issac?
spies8lilith (12:49:07 AM): I haven't heard this yet, lol.
spies8jasmine (12:49:08 AM): It just seems like nothing new is happening.
spies8jasmine (12:49:12 AM): Well, Brod suspects me
spies8jasmine (12:49:14 AM): I suspect Isaac
spies8jasmine (12:49:18 AM): and Issac suspects me
spies8jasmine (12:49:24 AM): so its kind of a circle, ish
spies8jasmine (12:49:38 AM): all from the old teams.
spies8lilith (12:49:48 AM): Lol.
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spies8lilith (12:50:45 AM): I am actually really mad that Gabe got out. He was the first person I opened up to and told I have a good read on him for thinking a same thought I thought and for doing stuff. And I am also pretty sure he was the only other person I knew that applied for this game, LOL.
spies8jasmine (12:51:26 AM): ohhhhh, like you knew who he really waS?
spies8jasmine (12:51:27 AM): ;-o
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spies8lilith (12:52:03 AM): What if the republicans were are so strict because 7 of them were spies at the beginning and this is the tone they set? LOL
spies8lilith (12:52:13 AM): not likely at all, but an interesting idea
spies8jasmine (12:52:23 AM): nah, cause chance is total spy
spies8jasmine (12:52:24 AM): LOL
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spies8lilith (12:59:14 AM): Question - when it said someone gets a special power - is it at random?
spies8jasmine (1:00:40 AM): I'm not sure.
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spies8lilith (1:25:12 AM): Am i connected?
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spies8jasmine (1:25:49 AM): Yes!
spies8jasmine (1:25:52 AM): But you left the chatroom.
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spies8dane is available (10:42:37 PM)
Miss you Gorgeous
spies8lilith (10:42:37 PM): Ok, just by the way you and Jasmine are talking. My current read is that you both are innocent. And I am fairly confident Zed and Stephanie are spies. I really have no connections to anyone (being new and all) and barely anyone to talk to about my suspcions so I'm just going to bounce them off you and Dane and see what yall say, lol.
spies8dane is available (10:42:49 PM)
Miss you Gorgeous
spies8dane (10:43:38 PM): copy and paste much dear?
spies8dane (10:43:40 PM): i'm dane
spies8dane (10:43:44 PM): who's you?
spies8lilith (10:44:03 PM): I'm a replacement .
spies8lilith (10:44:08 PM): And what is wrong with copying and pasting?
spies8lilith (10:44:17 PM): lol
spies8dane (10:44:36 PM): not you you, the you and dane you
spies8lilith (10:45:25 PM): I apoligize, I wanted to talk quick to you and Jasmine, because so far everyone I've heard speak sounded so cold and distant and hard to get a read on them.
spies8dane is available (10:45:27 PM)
Miss you Gorgeous
spies8lilith (10:45:40 PM): From how you and Jasmine are typing, I'm fairly certain you're both innocent, lol.
spies8dane (10:46:43 PM): sounds good, but I gotta head out, its 11 here
spies8lilith (10:46:49 PM): ahhhh
spies8lilith (10:46:49 PM): ok
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spies8jasmine (8:02:11 PM): We were wondering why it seemed everyone was focused on the democrats coming over, and suspecting us. when not even mentioning much about what happened at the republican side.
spies8jasmine (8:02:18 PM): It's almost like they forgot their suspects
spies8jasmine (8:02:21 PM): and were just jumping on ours
spies8jasmine (8:02:22 PM): Today
spies8jasmine (8:02:30 PM): Tina said she and owen were in the same boat
spies8jasmine (8:02:36 PM): thinking the vote would be between isaac and lawrence this time.
spies8jasmine (8:02:50 PM): Then I talked with Zed, and he said that he needed to talk to both lawrence and isaac some more
spies8jasmine (8:02:58 PM): it almost felt like it was pre-talked about between them or something
spies8jasmine (8:03:02 PM): on the otehr side(the democratic side)
spies8jasmine (8:03:09 PM): they keep saying we most likely have more spies then then them
spies8jasmine (8:03:14 PM): and that the republicans originally most likely did as well
spies8jasmine (8:03:16 PM): if thats the case
spies8jasmine (8:03:31 PM): do u think its dumb to think that maybe steph/zed/tina/owen, like a huge chunk of that group could bes pies?
spies8jasmine (8:03:37 PM): im suspcious of steh right now
spies8jasmine (8:03:44 PM): steph/tina/themba, are the three that stick out for me.
spies8jasmine (8:03:45 PM): dunnow hy
spies8lilith (8:04:06 PM): I will respond in just one minute, have to do something for a survivor game, lol.
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spies8jasmine (8:04:24 PM): okay, lol. im just uber confused, so its all good if u think its all BS
spies8jasmine (8:04:26 PM): cause it could b
spies8jasmine (8:04:27 PM): lol
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spies8jasmine (8:10:42 PM): Tina is thinking of a Themba vote righ tnow.
spies8jasmine (8:10:44 PM): She said
spies8jasmine (8:10:51 PM): very mixed between those three--lawrence
spies8jasmine (8:10:52 PM): isaac
spies8jasmine (8:10:53 PM): and themba
spies8jasmine (8:10:59 PM): she wants to keep the themba stuff on the DL for some reason tho
spies8lilith (8:11:11 PM): They already told me that, lol
spies8jasmine (8:11:13 PM): but my though is--themba may turn as a spy, and then it clears her and steph. but idk much on themba, still.
spies8lilith (8:11:25 PM): err, Zed told me that, who i assume is talking to Tina, lol
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spies8lilith (8:11:43 PM): Steph I think i'm leaning towards as town to be honest
spies8lilith (8:12:01 PM): Zed I think is town now also... I read how Alexei interacted with him in cahts
spies8lilith (8:12:06 PM): I just don't think they'd be together
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spies8jasmine (8:12:28 PM): b/c they said that we most likely have all the spies, or at least 4-5 of them
spies8jasmine (8:12:31 PM): and they were considering
spies8jasmine (8:12:32 PM): a no exile
spies8jasmine (8:12:38 PM): so whomever we lynched
spies8jasmine (8:12:39 PM): would go
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spies8lilith (8:14:20 PM):
spies8lilith (8:14:22 PM): interesting
spies8lilith (8:14:28 PM): I want Jenny gone, LOL
spies8lilith (8:14:36 PM): Her interactions with Alexei, I think she is a spy.
spies8lilith (8:14:43 PM): She's the one I'm most confident of, lol.
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spies8jasmine (8:17:08 PM): If you look in the vote tally thread
spies8jasmine (8:17:11 PM): she is being considered too
spies8jasmine (8:17:11 PM): lol
spies8lilith (8:17:23 PM): She is?
spies8jasmine (8:17:44 PM): yes
spies8jasmine (8:17:48 PM): on awohali's post
spies8jasmine (8:17:50 PM): he's between three people
spies8jasmine (8:17:51 PM): claude
spies8jasmine (8:17:51 PM): her
spies8jasmine (8:17:53 PM): and someone else
spies8jasmine (8:17:54 PM): forgot who
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spies8lilith (8:27:19 PM): I currently don't think Zed is a spy. I am going back and forth on Steph, still trying to read her intereactions with Alexei.
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spies8lilith (8:42:11 PM): Who else did you mention? XD
spies8jasmine (8:42:28 PM): I mentioned Isaac, and Steph
spies8jasmine (8:42:36 PM): And I want to talk more with Themba, and Owen.
spies8jasmine (8:42:41 PM): And Lawrence too.
spies8lilith (8:42:51 PM): Lawrence's response in thread makes me think it isn't him.
spies8lilith (8:42:59 PM): Themba and Isaac I def. need to talk to more.
spies8lilith (8:43:06 PM): Owen I am unsure of.
spies8lilith (8:43:15 PM): Broderick I got a town vibe from, even though he suspects you .
spies8jasmine (8:43:21 PM): same
spies8jasmine (8:43:30 PM): i think brod is town as well
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spies8lilith (10:24:48 PM): Nobody responds to me, XD.
spies8lilith (10:24:58 PM): My dr theory is probably stupid anyways.
spies8lilith (10:25:24 PM): I somehow doubt even if I did have the grandest idea of who mafia was, no one would care, LOL.
spies8jasmine (10:25:38 PM): i dont think so, it just seems like the group
spies8jasmine (10:25:39 PM): LOL
spies8jasmine (10:25:41 PM): they suck
spies8jasmine (10:25:42 PM): -_-
spies8lilith (10:26:17 PM): Do you have a power role that let's us change sides?
spies8lilith (10:26:24 PM): So I can kill Jenny? ^_^
spies8lilith (10:26:31 PM): And look like a superhero for a short time.
spies8lilith (10:26:31 PM):
spies8jasmine (10:27:29 PM): omg i wish i did, but if i did
spies8jasmine (10:27:31 PM): id switch myself
spies8jasmine (10:27:34 PM): i miss those demos
spies8jasmine (10:27:34 PM):
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spies8lilith (11:53:49 PM): OMG I think Isaac is scummy too!
spies8lilith (11:53:50 PM): <3
spies8jasmine (11:54:31 PM): OMG, <3
spies8jasmine (11:54:39 PM): Did you really slut yourself in russia?
spies8lilith (11:54:45 PM): Yes .
spies8jasmine (11:54:50 PM): damn gurl
spies8jasmine (11:54:59 PM): u at least get paid?
spies8lilith (11:55:13 PM): No :.
spies8jasmine (11:55:19 PM):
spies8jasmine (11:55:28 PM): then it was pointless.
spies8lilith (11:55:58 PM): I was growing my STD collection gurl.
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spies8jasmine (11:56:28 PM): gurl, most of those stds. all u need is a pill
spies8jasmine (11:56:30 PM): aint that bad
spies8jasmine (11:56:39 PM): as a gay drag queen before i began my transition by getting fake tits
spies8jasmine (11:56:45 PM): STDs r not that big of a deal
spies8jasmine (11:56:46 PM): believe me, gurl
spies8lilith (11:57:47 PM): You were a man?
spies8jasmine (11:58:11 PM): I still am a man.
spies8jasmine (11:58:19 PM): My peen is there till I get enough money, gurl
spies8jasmine (11:58:22 PM): but the boobs r fake.
spies8jasmine (11:58:33 PM): You didn't know till now?
spies8jasmine (11:58:38 PM): Damn, I'm getting good.
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spies8dane is available (2:43:01 PM)
Miss you Gorgeous
spies8lilith (2:43:01 PM): Hello Dane.
spies8dane (2:43:09 PM): hey lilith
spies8dane (2:43:38 PM): so you suspect stephanie and who?
spies8lilith (2:44:31 PM): Oh
spies8lilith (2:44:36 PM): I don't suspect her that much anymore, lol.
spies8dane (2:44:44 PM): oh?
spies8lilith (2:44:47 PM): I talked to her and am unsure now
spies8lilith (2:45:10 PM): Something she said triggered to me as odd. But after socializing with her and getting a better read on her, I less likely think it's her.
spies8dane (2:45:20 PM): anything specific?
spies8lilith (2:45:24 PM): The thing she said was me basing my theory on Zed being mafia and her defending him (indirectly).
spies8dane (2:45:41 PM): interesting
spies8dane (2:45:47 PM): who was your other suspect?
spies8lilith (2:45:50 PM): Zed
spies8dane (2:46:03 PM): still suspect him?
spies8lilith (2:46:26 PM): I am basing my strategy and my reads by talking to people and how they react. The HQ thing was interesting, I didn't make a huge leap that he is mafia from that, but how he reacted when I spoke to him about it.
spies8lilith (2:46:38 PM): He just acts like he can brush it off and it isn't a big deal and to me that sits uneasy.
spies8lilith (2:47:09 PM): Although, several people seem to let it slide, so to me, atleast some of those people are town, and so some town are letting it slide makes me question what I am doing, lol. But I still think it's something to look into.
spies8lilith (2:47:19 PM): And also, Sav, who we know is a citizen, suspected Zed.
spies8dane (2:47:49 PM): it is definitely something to not allow to be brushed to the side
spies8lilith (2:47:52 PM): I like to look at dead people's ideas . Because those people's ideas we know are from a town's viewpoint. While talking to people on here, anyone could have a spy viewpoint trying to shake things up.
spies8lilith (2:49:43 PM): What are your thoughts?
spies8lilith (2:49:48 PM): I forgot to press enter, lol
spies8dane (2:50:03 PM): I still suspect stephanie, themba, and zed a little
spies8dane (2:50:05 PM): maybe jasmine
spies8dane (2:50:14 PM): it's all kind of up in the air it seems like
spies8lilith (2:50:21 PM): Why do you suspect them?
spies8dane (2:50:57 PM): themba freaked out when I said I suspected her, she flipflopped votes, and switched to zed when it looked like a counter wagon was forming
spies8dane (2:51:06 PM): switched OFF of Alexei, ONTO zed
spies8lilith (2:51:27 PM): I'm actually analyzing you by how you explain your suspcions . I feel mafia can't fake the sincerity that a townsperson has. And I'm telling you this so if you are mafia it'll make you more nervous in your explanation, lol.
spies8dane (2:52:14 PM): Stephanie had really bad reasons for all her "suspicions" (you can read up on that in former republican posts), she and alexei tried to start a counterwagon on me when a bandwagon formed on him, and my gut suspects her
spies8dane (2:52:42 PM): Zed for obvioius reasons (HQ, 2 hour silence)
spies8lilith (2:52:55 PM): O i keep forgetting about that silence thing, lol
spies8dane (2:53:02 PM): and Jasmine seems off to me based on how she was defending Claude
spies8lilith (2:53:24 PM): Who is Claude?
spies8lilith (2:53:36 PM): Someone from the other team obviously, but like, what happened?
spies8dane (2:53:47 PM): Claude role claimed
spies8dane (2:53:54 PM): "majority whip"
spies8dane (2:54:02 PM): he uses it on someone
spies8dane (2:54:07 PM): and that person cannot vote or be voted
spies8lilith (2:54:16 PM): interesting
spies8lilith (2:54:18 PM): did he use it?
spies8dane (2:54:20 PM): or he can make it so a person can only vote between like 3 people
spies8dane (2:54:24 PM): etc.
spies8dane (2:54:27 PM): he did
spies8dane (2:54:32 PM): on the person he accused of being a spy
spies8dane (2:54:35 PM): and who was accusing him
spies8dane (2:54:50 PM): so again: he made the person he thought was a spy unvotable
spies8lilith (2:55:05 PM): i don't think a mafia would have the power to make a spy unvotable
spies8dane (2:55:10 PM): I do
spies8lilith (2:55:16 PM): Was it verified that he couldn't be voted for?
spies8dane (2:55:18 PM): it makes more sense than a citizen having it
spies8dane (2:55:20 PM): yes
spies8dane (2:55:24 PM): sam said he couldn't be voted
spies8lilith (2:55:28 PM): Ah
spies8lilith (2:55:28 PM): ok
spies8lilith (2:55:34 PM): Can he use it repeatedly?
spies8dane (2:55:37 PM): we don't know
spies8lilith (2:55:48 PM): If he can use it repeadedly, that'd be too strong for a mafia.
spies8dane (2:55:50 PM): he didn't say]
spies8dane (2:55:56 PM): not necessarily
spies8dane (2:56:11 PM): there might (and probably is) be a counter role among the cits able to stop it
spies8dane (2:56:22 PM): thats how sam usually sets it up
spies8lilith (2:56:36 PM): That would still be unfair though, cuz that "counter role" could easily die and mafia have a huge advantage
spies8lilith (2:56:49 PM): The voting is the only time mafia can get executed, so by immuning them to taht it's kinda unfair
spies8dane (2:57:02 PM): its not unfair
spies8dane (2:57:07 PM): it helpsthe spies
spies8dane (2:57:12 PM): thats the point of a spy power role
spies8dane (2:57:16 PM): it doesn't help citizens
spies8dane (2:57:24 PM): so it is unlikely to be a citizen power role
spies8lilith (2:57:25 PM): But it helps the spies too much if it makes them immune to a vote
spies8dane (2:57:44 PM): then what kind of role COULD the spies have to use that wouldn't be unfair
spies8dane (2:57:57 PM): or maybe the thing can't be used on another spy, and only citizens
spies8lilith (2:58:01 PM): Anything that doesn't make them immune to a vote, lol
spies8dane (2:58:13 PM): but the only way spies can be hurt is by being voted
spies8dane (2:58:29 PM): so a power role for them would be to protect themselves
spies8dane (2:58:49 PM): hell, citizens already have a way to prevent the doctor and the captain burg from ever being imprisoned
spies8dane (2:58:52 PM): thats hardly fair to the spies
spies8lilith (2:59:24 PM): But it could be anything, like a cop that finds town power roles, or something the blocks other roles, or maybe an extra vote here or there or coming up innocent to a cop
spies8dane (2:59:41 PM): but the role was already claimed
spies8lilith (2:59:43 PM): we can prevent the dr. from being imprisoned?
spies8dane (2:59:43 PM): it helps the spies
spies8dane (2:59:57 PM): yeah, if captain burg gets saved, then captain burg can save the doctor
spies8lilith (3:00:09 PM): what is Captain Burg? lol
spies8dane (3:00:14 PM): -_-
spies8dane (3:00:20 PM): you've got some reading to do my dear
spies8dane (3:00:32 PM): go read up on Allan's power role
spies8lilith (3:00:35 PM): I'm a replacement, the expecation to read everything is unreasonable.
spies8lilith (3:01:52 PM): ?
spies8dane (3:02:12 PM): thats why i'm saying you need to read up on the important things like role claims
spies8dane (3:02:15 PM): go look at Allan's
spies8lilith (3:02:21 PM): I don't know where it is .
spies8dane (3:02:50 PM): you can't expect everyone to fill you in on everything, you gotta be reading through the burg and trying to catch up
spies8dane (3:02:56 PM): at least skimming
spies8lilith (3:03:27 PM): I am atleast skimming. Telling me to "go look something up" seems a little insensative. Not assisting me seems lazy on your part when I've only asked one question to you about the past.
spies8dane (3:03:47 PM): that is certainly not the only thing
spies8dane (3:03:57 PM): since I just went in depth on CLAUDES role claim
spies8dane (3:04:21 PM): and it's not lazyness on my part
spies8lilith (3:04:32 PM): So you expect me to go look up everything everyone talks about? That's a bit counterproductive when the quicker way would be to explain it.
spies8dane (3:05:04 PM): no, but if you were skimming through things, you might pick up on something major like a role claim
spies8lilith (3:05:50 PM): I haven't been able to skim through everything. There is so much stuff. Plus, with trying to get to know just the people that are relevant to me at the moment, analyzing the other team seems kind of pointless at this moment to me when I have a bunch of others things to catch up on.
spies8dane (3:06:22 PM): allan was on the republicans
spies8dane (3:06:39 PM): so its in the forum for the republicans, aka our team
spies8lilith (3:06:59 PM): Yes, but stuff about him isn't relevant to me because even if I did gather suspscions I couldn't do anything about it at this moment.
spies8dane (3:07:01 PM): and it was a pretty major event
spies8dane (3:07:11 PM): since a lot of people only changed to savannah after he claimed
spies8dane (3:07:17 PM): end of episode 2
spies8dane (3:07:33 PM): but you need to know what already happened, at least the major events
spies8lilith (3:07:35 PM): No one has told me that part, lol.
spies8dane (3:08:16 PM): anyway
spies8lilith (3:08:22 PM): I don't think I need to know the major events, at this moment in time I am more focused on talking to people one-on-one and seeing how they react and talk so I can get a good judgment on them. Actions can only tell you so much, but it's more meaningful to know their motives.
spies8dane (3:08:25 PM): captain burg can use the actions used on him
spies8lilith (3:08:34 PM): O
spies8lilith (3:08:35 PM): That
spies8lilith (3:08:42 PM): I remember now.
spies8lilith (3:08:50 PM): Someone has a role that can use roles used on them.
spies8dane (3:09:00 PM): Actions can only tell you so much, but it's more meaningful to know their motives.
spies8dane (3:09:05 PM): definitely REALLY DISAGREE
spies8dane (3:09:16 PM): people can LIE about their motivations
spies8dane (3:09:21 PM): but their actions are EVIDENCE
spies8lilith (3:09:32 PM): Yes, but a liar can't fake the same sincerety a real person has about their motives.
spies8dane (3:09:36 PM): yes
spies8dane (3:09:37 PM): they
spies8dane (3:09:38 PM): can
spies8lilith (3:09:45 PM): I want people to lie to me, that way I have the ability to read them for their lies.
spies8dane (3:09:46 PM): its an online chat
spies8dane (3:09:51 PM): people can lie easily
spies8lilith (3:09:52 PM): Talking to people is the only way I'm going to figure things out.
spies8dane (3:09:53 PM): and sound convincing
spies8dane (3:09:59 PM): no, you need to read
spies8dane (3:10:01 PM): and analyze
spies8lilith (3:10:04 PM): I don't agree that they can be convincing if people know what to look for.
spies8lilith (3:10:34 PM): Like I've said, mafia can't fake the sincerety that town has in their suspecions and motives.
spies8dane (3:10:40 PM): yes they can
spies8dane (3:10:45 PM): its called lieing
spies8dane (3:10:46 PM): lying
spies8dane (3:10:47 PM): and bussing
spies8dane (3:10:52 PM): they do it
spies8dane (3:10:54 PM): all
spies8dane (3:10:55 PM): the fucking
spies8dane (3:10:56 PM): time
spies8lilith (3:10:58 PM): How can they fake the sincerety in it?
spies8dane (3:11:05 PM): because you can't hear their voice
spies8lilith (3:11:15 PM): You don't need to, you can see how they explain things.
spies8dane (3:11:19 PM): -_-
spies8dane (3:11:23 PM): you are being absurd
spies8lilith (3:11:28 PM): No I am not.
spies8dane (3:11:42 PM): there is no such thing as an online lie detector
spies8lilith (3:12:00 PM): There is such a thing as how someone explains things though.
spies8lilith (3:12:11 PM): Mafia are going to explain things differently than a townsperson would.
spies8dane (3:12:12 PM): which changes based on a persons PERSONALITY
spies8dane (3:12:15 PM): no
spies8dane (3:12:17 PM): they aren't
spies8lilith (3:12:18 PM): Yes.
spies8dane (3:12:21 PM): they want to blend in
spies8dane (3:12:30 PM): they'll explain the exact same way as a citizen
spies8dane (3:12:41 PM): and some citizens explain things different from other citizens
spies8lilith (3:12:45 PM): In the back of the mafia's mind, they know who the other mafia are. They can't fake the sincerety that other town people have in scumhunting and what not.
spies8dane (3:12:58 PM): YES
spies8dane (3:12:59 PM): THEY CAN
spies8dane (3:13:11 PM): I can't even talk to you
spies8lilith (3:13:17 PM): You can't fake sincerety. I think you are not understanding that concept.
spies8dane (3:13:19 PM): "can't fake the sincerity?"
spies8dane (3:13:24 PM): that is absurd
spies8lilith (3:13:27 PM): You can fake acting, yes, but you can't fake the sincerity that people have.
spies8dane (3:13:31 PM): absofuckinglutely absurd
spies8lilith (3:13:45 PM): It is not. Some people scumhunt with logic, I prefer to look at people's behavior.
spies8dane (3:13:55 PM): no you aren't
spies8dane (3:14:02 PM): you are looking at people's personalities
spies8dane (3:14:05 PM): not their behavior
spies8lilith (3:14:08 PM): It isn't their personalities.
spies8dane (3:14:09 PM): behavior depends on ACTIONS
spies8dane (3:14:19 PM): as in a behavior is made up of a persons ACTIONS
spies8lilith (3:14:20 PM): Explaining something in certain way IS an action.
spies8dane (3:14:46 PM): the act of an explanation is the action
spies8dane (3:14:51 PM): the WAY the explain is personality
spies8dane (3:15:04 PM): which is different from person to person
spies8dane (3:15:08 PM): NOT from citizen to spy
spies8dane (3:15:50 PM): I can't deal with you
spies8dane (3:15:52 PM): ttyl
spies8lilith (3:15:58 PM): Wait just a second.
spies8dane (3:16:04 PM): .
spies8lilith (3:16:33 PM): Right now, you are disagreeing with me about my playstyle. That is an action based on your PERSONALITY. I agree with that. How you disagree with me may depend on your alignment, although since this disagreement has nothing to do with your alignment or the game itself, moreso how we play the game, it doesn't tell me anything about your motives.
spies8lilith (3:17:27 PM): Although you are disagreeing with me and it is frustrating, it doesn't tell me anything about your alignment in this game and I would prefer we just ignore it, because I do have questions for you that I would like answered.
spies8dane (3:18:08 PM): thats fine, as long as they are not questions who's answers could easily be found by skimming the republican burg
spies8lilith (3:18:22 PM): It is questions about your actions, so no, it can't be found on the forum.
spies8lilith (3:18:33 PM): Reading through things two things sparked different ideas for me.
spies8lilith (3:19:18 PM): First, you made a comment about Alexei's case depending on Zed's. Which in my mind made me think perhaps you could be Alexei's partner and Zed not being mafia, and you were planting a seed that Zed be lynched first, come up innocent, and then erase a case on Alexei.
spies8dane (3:20:12 PM): I said that early on in episode 1, before Alexei started attacking both me and Zed
spies8lilith (3:20:35 PM): Why are you stating when you said it?
spies8dane (3:20:46 PM): and I wasn't apart of the zed or the alexei wagons originally
spies8dane (3:21:09 PM): because that was said early on, it wasn't actually a reasoning in my vote
spies8lilith (3:21:26 PM): My comment has nothing to do with what wagon you were on or who you voted though.
spies8dane (3:21:48 PM): what are you asking about then
spies8lilith (3:21:50 PM): Your statement, sounded to me, like a mafia statement trying to plant a seed that Zed should be voted off first in order to make Alexei's case valid.
spies8dane (3:22:31 PM): i said alexei was connected to zed. how does that say anything about which should be voted, if either was a spy, or anything else?
spies8dane (3:22:36 PM): I just said they were connected
spies8lilith (3:22:43 PM): You said Alexei's case depends on Zed.
spies8dane (3:22:56 PM): yeah, at that time, alexei threw in with zed
spies8dane (3:23:10 PM): and part of the case on alexei was how he reacted to zed's stuff
spies8dane (3:23:12 PM): aka
spies8dane (3:23:16 PM): they were connected
spies8lilith (3:23:16 PM): Aka, that suggests, what Zed's alignment is determines if there is a case on Alexei. Meaning that you would rather Zed go first and then determine if Alexei is a spy from there.
spies8dane (3:23:21 PM): and the case on alexei at that time
spies8dane (3:23:35 PM): again, you are jumping on a ship made of water: it isn't there
spies8dane (3:23:41 PM): I was never advocating a lynch of zed
spies8dane (3:23:57 PM): I wasn't advocating a lynch of alexei until near the end
spies8dane (3:24:09 PM): I did not contribute to the zedekiah case
spies8lilith (3:24:39 PM): I am not talking about who you advocated a lynch on. I'm talking about what, looks to me, a seed that you were trying to plant in people's minds. If nobody agreed then you would let it go, but it looks like an attempt to throw the case off of Alexei and onto Zed.
spies8dane (3:25:33 PM): you are really lost. I VOTED ALEXEI.
spies8lilith (3:25:41 PM): I am not talking about who you voted for.
spies8dane (3:25:46 PM): yes you are
spies8lilith (3:25:54 PM): I am not... --_--
spies8dane (3:25:55 PM): "but it looks like an attempt to throw the case off of alexei"
spies8lilith (3:26:00 PM): Exactly.
spies8dane (3:26:03 PM): why would I do that
spies8lilith (3:26:05 PM): I am talking about your actions
spies8dane (3:26:05 PM): AND VOTE THE FUCKER
spies8lilith (3:26:08 PM): Not who you voted for.
spies8dane (3:26:22 PM): me voting is the action
spies8lilith (3:26:32 PM): That is not the action I am questioning you about though.
spies8dane (3:26:39 PM): an offhand comment saying two people were connected on the second or third day of the game is NOT an action
spies8lilith (3:26:48 PM): I don't care about who you voted for, I am asking about a comment you made that would indirectly throw the weight from Alexei to Zed.
spies8dane (3:26:56 PM): you NEED to care about who voted for who
spies8lilith (3:27:04 PM): That is not what I am looking for right now.
spies8dane (3:27:27 PM): and no my comment, being from someone uninvolved with either case, did not indirectly throw ANY weight around
spies8lilith (3:27:53 PM): You NEED to stop telling me what to do. I know what to look at and what to look for. Just because it is not convient to you does not make it wrong. People do things their own ways, I think it is very rude and immature for you to not respect that and treat people like they are wrong because of how they address the game.
spies8dane (3:28:10 PM): you do not know what to look at, since you are looking for "fake sincerity".
spies8lilith (3:28:25 PM): Just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it doesn't work for me.
spies8lilith (3:28:30 PM): People look at things different ways.
spies8dane (3:28:31 PM): you are not a lie detector
spies8lilith (3:28:35 PM): People don't all play the game the same way.
spies8dane (3:28:41 PM): and believing you are means you tunnel
spies8dane (3:28:46 PM): meaning you hurt the citizens
spies8lilith (3:29:04 PM): You keep making assumptions and are not opening your minds to how other people play the game.
spies8lilith (3:29:16 PM): I am not sure where you get this assumption that I tunnel from.
spies8dane (3:29:25 PM): YOU ARE BASING YOUR SUSPICIONS OFF YOUR OPINION OF WHETHER PEOPLE ARE SINCERE INSTEAD OF OFF EVIDENCE
spies8lilith (3:29:56 PM): Evidence can be twisted and turned in any way. If a citizen makes a mistake, a mafia can jump on it, use logic, and turn people agains't that person.
spies8dane (3:30:00 PM): saying someone seemed insincere cannot be proven true or false or bussing or anything until alignment shows
spies8dane (3:30:08 PM): evidence is provable
spies8dane (3:30:20 PM): evidence is a lot harder to twist
spies8dane (3:30:25 PM): than someone's sincerity
spies8lilith (3:30:29 PM): Provable sounds to me like you are basing people's gameplay on if they can convince other people who mafia is.
spies8dane (3:30:29 PM): and I'm done discussing this
spies8dane (3:30:35 PM): no
spies8dane (3:30:48 PM): I'm saying if someone votes right when a counterwagon starts
spies8dane (3:30:50 PM): that fact
spies8dane (3:30:51 PM): right there
spies8dane (3:30:54 PM): is a piece of evidence
spies8dane (3:30:57 PM): irrefutable
spies8lilith (3:31:02 PM): Yes, but it can be twisted into anything.
spies8dane (3:31:06 PM): their MOTIVATION in doing so can be twisted
spies8dane (3:31:09 PM): not the fact itself
spies8dane (3:31:35 PM): this is wasting my time, because you don't listen and just assume you are correct
spies8lilith (3:31:36 PM): The motivation from them, is that person's reason. I feel like their reasoning can help me identify them as being honest or a liar.
spies8dane (3:31:37 PM): bye
spies8lilith (3:31:43 PM): I never said I was correct.
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spies8lilith (3:31:47 PM): You are the one telling me I am wrong.
spies8lilith (3:31:50 PM): I did not say you were wrong.
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spies8lilith (10:12:11 PM): BITCH GET ONLINE
spies8lilith (10:12:14 PM): I DONT WANT YOU OUT
spies8lilith (10:12:15 PM): lol
spies8lilith (10:13:08 PM): In case you do get online at the last minute. Quick summary: I'm damn sure Isaac and Themba are spies. Change your vote to Themba if you can. The votes are going to be between you and her it looks like.
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spies8lilith (10:32:42 PM): YAY!
spies8jasmine (10:32:45 PM): hi
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spies8jasmine (10:32:50 PM): omg lilith, i love u
spies8jasmine (10:32:58 PM): fill me in
spies8lilith (10:33:08 PM): Oh
spies8lilith (10:33:10 PM): Where to start?
spies8lilith (10:33:11 PM): Ummm
spies8lilith (10:33:18 PM): I am pretty sure both Themba and Isaac are spies
spies8lilith (10:33:27 PM): We have four or five now voting Themba
spies8lilith (10:33:32 PM): a lot of people are voting you though too
spies8lilith (10:33:34 PM): so it might be close
spies8lilith (10:33:48 PM): Themba's reason for voting you
spies8lilith (10:33:51 PM): doesn't feel sincere at all
spies8lilith (10:33:56 PM): And Isaac today
spies8lilith (10:34:01 PM): is pretending to suspect Themba and you
spies8lilith (10:34:12 PM): but he is voting you, despite the fact his reasons tell me he suspects Themba more
spies8lilith (10:34:14 PM): doesn't make sense
spies8jasmine (10:34:27 PM): LET ME SWAP IT, cause i trust u. then imma read
spies8jasmine (10:34:30 PM): how do u swap voets
spies8lilith (10:35:24 PM): Just say "I change my vote to ******"
spies8lilith (10:35:25 PM): lol
spies8lilith (10:35:28 PM): in your confession
spies8lilith (10:35:29 PM):
spies8jasmine (10:35:48 PM): okay.
spies8jasmine (10:35:55 PM): and my reason will be"Lilith told me to"
spies8jasmine (10:35:55 PM): LOL
spies8jasmine (10:35:56 PM): how lame
spies8jasmine (10:35:57 PM): <33
spies8jasmine (10:36:01 PM): but who is voting themba?
spies8lilith (10:36:03 PM):
spies8lilith (10:36:09 PM): Tina, Me, Kiara
spies8lilith (10:36:10 PM): then Zed
spies8jasmine (10:36:16 PM): ugh my hand was outside of a car door, and tis so old now
spies8lilith (10:36:17 PM): Owen may, not sure yet
spies8jasmine (10:36:18 PM): i cant feel it.
spies8lilith (10:36:20 PM): Brod may, not sure yet
spies8jasmine (10:36:21 PM): okay.
spies8lilith (10:36:27 PM): o wait, Brod might bote Steph
spies8jasmine (10:36:28 PM): owen said he thought i was cit, so i dont think he'd vote me
spies8lilith (10:36:33 PM): I think they are slowly seeing what I am seeing though
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spies8lilith (10:39:12 PM): Brod is odd .
spies8lilith (10:39:22 PM): He didn't think Isaac was a suspect until just u and Owen get on...
spies8jasmine (10:40:57 PM): Okay i swapped to Themba.
spies8jasmine (10:41:08 PM): can we show voting reasons?
spies8jasmine (10:41:12 PM): lets act like we can: Lilith told me to, and I trust her. I can't think properly, my right hand is frozen. And I want to get drunk or eat pills. Now I plan to read Themba thoughts. I was suspect on her anyways though!!! GAY SEX!!
spies8jasmine (10:41:13 PM): LOL
spies8lilith (10:41:43 PM): who are you having gay sex with?
spies8lilith (10:41:47 PM): *flirty eyes*
spies8jasmine (10:41:57 PM):
spies8lilith (10:41:58 PM): I don't know what voting reasons are for, this is my first exile.
spies8jasmine (10:42:02 PM): oh
spies8jasmine (10:42:02 PM): ok
spies8jasmine (10:42:03 PM): lol
spies8jasmine (10:42:08 PM): i think u need a reason
spies8jasmine (10:42:10 PM): when u vote
spies8lilith (10:42:42 PM): I do!?
spies8lilith (10:42:53 PM): I think I put in a small one. I didn't want to be rude and it be read public, LOL.
spies8jasmine (10:42:56 PM): I believe so, yes. Ask sam to be sure.
spies8lilith (10:43:01 PM): At this point I am highly confident Isaac and Themba are mafia.
spies8jasmine (10:43:03 PM): Oh, it's kept private.
spies8jasmine (10:43:03 PM): LOL
spies8jasmine (10:43:06 PM): Omg tho
spies8jasmine (10:43:10 PM): shouldnt i annouce im voting themba now?
spies8lilith (10:43:24 PM): Ummm
spies8lilith (10:43:27 PM): Hmmm
spies8lilith (10:43:29 PM): I don't know
spies8jasmine (10:43:35 PM): I was thinking it might cause drama.
spies8lilith (10:43:39 PM): I tihnk so too
spies8lilith (10:43:44 PM): I would hold it off till later
spies8jasmine (10:43:49 PM): I'm going to just not, and then ill look more scummy
spies8jasmine (10:43:51 PM): but who cares
spies8jasmine (10:43:53 PM): cause i love u.
spies8lilith (10:43:55 PM): Voting someone so you don't go is a reasonable excuse, lol
spies8lilith (10:44:04 PM): Especially when you're voting mafia
spies8jasmine (10:44:07 PM): Yes!!
spies8jasmine (10:44:11 PM): Who does the demos look like they r voting
spies8lilith (10:44:15 PM): I'll say I agreed with you not revealing ti yet
spies8jasmine (10:44:16 PM): my hand is unfreezing now
spies8lilith (10:44:19 PM): you can tell them I made you do it
spies8jasmine (10:44:21 PM): Okay
spies8lilith (10:44:23 PM): by gun point, cuz im a cop
spies8jasmine (10:44:26 PM): Yes, you held jazzy hostage
spies8lilith (10:44:30 PM): Mag i think
spies8jasmine (10:44:32 PM): by her peen
spies8lilith (10:44:32 PM): whoever that is
spies8jasmine (10:44:36 PM): magalie?
spies8jasmine (10:44:37 PM): ugh
spies8jasmine (10:44:39 PM): that girl isnt spy
spies8jasmine (10:44:39 PM): imo
spies8jasmine (10:44:46 PM): she is just a bored, psycotic cit
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