Episode 2 ~ Conversations
Jun 22, 2010 23:04:05 GMT -6
Post by Themba on Jun 22, 2010 23:04:05 GMT -6
~ TINA ~
Wednesday 23rd June:
[14:08] spies8tina: Hello. I have a few questions if you have time here.
[14:08] spies8themba: Go for it hun.
[14:08] spies8themba: I am at work though, just fyi.
[14:08] spies8tina: Ok. First off, who are you voting right now out of curiosity.
[14:09] spies8themba: Right now I am still on Zed. Though Nita makes some good points about Sav/Zed/Alexei.
[14:09] spies8themba: But I want to look into Rondak a little. We haven't spoken and I think we need to.
[14:10] spies8tina: Ok. What was your thought process around the last end of the first day though.
[14:10] spies8tina: You were on Dane for a while, when did that change to Alexei?
[14:11] spies8tina: I never saw when that happened.
[14:12] spies8themba: When I posted it changed, in the group chat. There's snippets of my discussion with Alexei in my responses to Zed and Hambone, and there's the full recollection in the group chat. I changed then.
[14:13] spies8tina: So the tipping point was the comment about voting Dane just to get rid of him?
[14:14] spies8themba: Yep.
[14:14] spies8tina: Was there a buildup or was it just that?
[14:14] spies8themba: Dane can also verify that - we were talking on IM's at the same time.
[14:14] spies8themba: I looked at what you guys had posted, and what you sent me about him and agreeing to Steph's ideas on Dane. So I asked him about that in the chat too.
[14:16] spies8tina: Ok, so you were already debating a change before that point?
[14:17] spies8themba: From Dane to Zed do you mean? My vote on Dane was tentative, as many first votes are, pending further information. If something came to light which was stronger, I would of course move my vote to that person. Same as I did from Alex to Zed.
[14:18] spies8tina: Ok, so at the time you moved from Dane to Alexei still did not have a clear suspect?
[14:19] spies8themba: Dane was my suspect, hence I was voting for him. It was not clear. Nothing was clear that early on.
[14:19] spies8tina: Ok. What was the tipping point back to Zek then? The HQ comment?
[14:20] spies8tina: Before that too, what was your thoughts of him.
[14:21] spies8themba: The HQ comment definitely tipped it for me, and he just cannot address anything head on it seems.
[14:21] spies8themba: My thoughts were he was just useless - question was, was he a useless cit or a useless spy?
[14:22] spies8themba: almost nothing of what he writes makes sense to me. apart from a couple of bits in his thread today i guess.
[14:23] spies8tina: And you already said that you are still voting Zek right now?
[14:23] spies8tina: With Savannah as a second pick?
[14:24] spies8themba: At this point. If I had to pick right now, I'd have to still pick Zed. No, Sav is not a second choice.
[14:24] spies8themba: I don't know who would be. I really want to chat to Rondak and also go through the Alexei-related stuff again, because I missed all the chats apart from his last one.
[14:26] spies8tina: Well, that is all I can think of right now. Any return questions?
[14:27] spies8themba: If you had to vote right now, who would it be and why? And, why do you think no one has come after you yet for switching?
[14:29] spies8tina: Have my tenative vote on you that went up right after imprisonment. I am likely going to be between you and Savannah for this next exile to be straight up.
[14:29] spies8tina: Also people have asked me about it a bit.
[14:30] spies8tina: I was one of the people who contributed the most to the Alexei wagon, especially early on. So I think that most people have a medium citizen read on me even though I changed it.
[14:30] spies8themba: You're the second person to say that they're voting me after imprisonment/exile. Why do you think I am a Spy? I think my explanations of my actions have been open and well documented?
[14:31] spies8tina: The one odd one to me was the comment over the "giving up".
[14:32] spies8tina: Looking back at it, I got a feeling that you were trying to attach your name to have made the case, when I had little idea of where you stood on it for most of the game up to that point.
[14:33] spies8themba: Interesting. And I was, but only to that point.
[14:33] spies8tina: Soon after that very confident statement, your vote changed, which again was odd to me.
[14:34] spies8tina: I could have seen a spy trying to get credit for it with a move like that. Untill that point it was mainly myself and Nita, and to a lesser but noticeable exent, Owen.
[14:35] spies8themba: Sure, well I was definitely only pointing out that he gave up. And I can see your concerns about the switch vote, but like I said, I was literally 45/55 between the 2. I took a guess. May have been wrong. May have also been right.
[14:35] spies8tina: You read like it was a whole lot stronger than 45/55 to a lot of people there.
[14:36] spies8themba: well you could never be 100% sure it was a give up can you? you can hope, but you can't know until he's out of the game. if he flipped cit, maybe i would've looked silly for suggesting he did give up.
[14:37] spies8tina: Well, you said it so you had to think it was fairly likely.
[14:38] spies8tina: If you did not there would have been no reason to.
[14:38] spies8themba: Hopeful moreso than likely.
[14:38] spies8themba: Hopefull
[14:39] spies8themba: I say things all the time without thought Tina, as you may see with time. I don't need to second guess the effects of my comments. I am not cautious like that. I have no reason to be.
[14:39] spies8tina: Hah.
[14:40] spies8themba: lol. it's true. i will brb.
[14:41] spies8tina: Ok. I am about out of questions at this point however.
[14:45] spies8themba: Np. The only other thing I wanted to say is... if i was a spy, wouldn't it have been easier for me to just stay where i was, on my lame spybuddy, rather than change to zed and risk all of this scrutiny? Just a thought for you. Cause I really don't want to be exiled yet.
[14:45] spies8tina: It is something that I have thought about.
[14:46] spies8themba: Cool.
[14:46] spies8tina: My vote is far from anything concrete right now.
[14:46] spies8themba: Cool again.
[14:46] spies8themba: TY for questioning me, rather than just voting.
[14:46] spies8tina: You have to question people. That is the game.
[14:46] spies8themba: Try telling that to some people
[14:47] spies8tina: If you are not, you are doing something wrong.
[14:47] spies8tina: Even if you have to PM people, it beats blind vote.
[14:47] spies8themba: agreed.
-=-
Thoughts:
- Amazing how much thought some people put into the littlest of things. No wonder this game to do your head in.
- Should probably ask her why she changed too. Will get there eventually.
- Still feel cit vibe. 60/40
Sunday 27th June:
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spies8tina is available 5:01 pm
Greetings new folk! Please come talk to me. 5h and 4m ago Comment
spies8tina 5:00 pm
Nice to see you back. Just about everyone had left for the break which was unfortunate. There was much to talk about.
spies8themba 5:02 pm
Heya - yeah the break is technically over now though right? People should start filtering through now hopefully. There is a lot to talk about. I don't even know where to start with the Dem's threads to be honest.
spies8tina 5:03 pm
Read the Isaac-Jasmine debate. Read the threads Lawrence and Broderick put up last episode. I think I am fairly caught up on their side baring a few questions.
spies8themba 5:04 pm
I just read Lawrence's thread. So at least that's one down!
Which ones are in our team again? I forget and I can't see it posted anywhere.
Lawrence is one I remember that.
spies8tina 5:05 pm
Lawrence, Isaac, Jasmine, Lilith and Broderick.
We lost Nita, Rondak, Jenny, Hambone and Allan.
spies8themba 5:06 pm
Oh Allan went too. Interesting to see what happens with his 'role'. And Isaac and Jasmine together? They seem opinionated. That's good. No idea on Broderick. And Lilith is our current inactive from memory.
spies8tina 5:06 pm
Anyways, that aside, how did you end up on Savannah last episode? It seems like an odder move when most of your reasons stated in the thread were not the same as the cast on her.
Just struck me as odd there, especially the Steph point since most people were somewhat suspect of her.
If Savannah had claimed a role, Steph would have gone.
spies8themba 5:08 pm
Well I read what other people posted and thought it was a little odd, and I also thought her trying to put suspicion on me and Allan when she 'smelled blood' in the group chat. And out of me, Steph and Savannah, I thought she'd be the most likely spy.
You think? I would've thought I would've gone.
spies8tina 5:08 pm
Myself, Owen and Gabe were all on the Steph-Savannah fence.
All three of us would have moved to Steph I think if there was a claim.
spies8themba 5:08 pm
Yeah you
are probably right.
I just don't think Steph's a spy either. I really don't.
spies8tina 5:09 pm
Anyways, why is jumping on you and Allan super suspect? Savannah explcitly said she does not think Allan is a spy prior to his claim.
spies8themba 5:09 pm
Maybe I've spent too much time talking to her, and the whole emotional parts' come in, but I don't know.
spies8themba 5:10 pm
She jumps in on the questioning a little during the group chats (on Allan moreso than me) and it looks like she's trying to flick people off to an Allan vote. She also picks me as suspicious for reasons I'd argue she was guilty of doing herself - like voting for Zed, not looking at other people, not developing cases on other people, etc.
spies8tina 5:12 pm
Well, the latter I am not so sure of really being a valid point. If she thought that Zek voters were more likely scum, why would she not push that way, even if she would contract a little suspicion herself.
spies8tina 5:13 pm
She also was not really the most quiet person on others, especially on the Zek stuff.
She did more on that than anyone else.
spies8themba 5:13 pm
I agree. It's completely not valid. No point in accusing one cit of doing something you're also doing.
That's true to some extent - but Jenny started the Zed vote, and Savannah followed it. Only Savannah pushed it in the group chat though.
spies8tina 5:14 pm
Savannah was the main pusher of that case, Jenny accidentally started it.
Looking back from that one, and subsequent ones, Jenny never intended it to get that big.
spies8tina 5:15 pm
It would be like saying Jenny started the Alexei stuff, since she was the one who started the convo that made him a suspect.
spies8themba 5:15 pm
Maybe so. Why didn't she push it into Ep 2 though? Because Alexei flipped Spy and there couldn't be 2 competing spies for the vote already?
No, that's not what I meant. Jenny was the first to declare that she was voting for Zed.
spies8tina 5:15 pm
Ah ok.
spies8themba 5:15 pm
I thought Savannah and Jenny did everything behind the scenes together.
spies8tina 5:16 pm
Quite the opposite from my view. Savannah actively pushed the Zek case while dismissing others, Jenny just dismissed others.
Anyways, you said the following about Savannah when you voted her - "There is more detail which I am sure I'll be asked to explain further at a later date."
What does that even mean?
spies8themba 5:17 pm
I had to defend my vote last episode, so I was referring to that painful task I'll probably have to endure again this episode.
I spent the entire last episode defending myself and saving my ass. Doesn't leave much time to do much else.
spies8tina 5:17 pm
Why did you expect to need to defend a vote if you thought she was a spy though?
spies8themba 5:18 pm
Because if she did flip Citizen, I would be asked to explain myself. I did not know that she was a citizen. But to be honest, I didn't think she was a spy either. I was much more comfortable with an Allan vote. Jenny can verify that.
spies8tina 5:19 pm
So why vote for her?
spies8themba 5:19 pm
Even if she was a spy, I'd be asked to explain myself.
Because I wasn't voting for Steph, and I wasn't voting for me.
spies8tina 5:19 pm
So Allan was the only remotely suspect person?
Tuesday you told me you were voting Zek.
That was a little under 48 hours untill exile.
spies8themba 5:20 pm
Allan was literally the only person I got to do some sort of questioning on last episode. I spoke with Hambone about him before he posted his case on him, agreed it was suspect and watched him post it and the comments which followed.
spies8tina 5:20 pm
You also mentioned Rondak at that time.
Yet you end up voting probably citizen for unknown reasons?
spies8themba 5:21 pm
Rondak is just odd. Odd more than suspicious. I need to speak to him more.
It's not unknown reasons. I've told you why I voted Savannah.
spies8tina 5:21 pm
Well, reasons that were not the core reasons from everyone else.
spies8themba 5:22 pm
I don't really care if they're the same as every one else's. That's not my aim in this game. I don't want to blend in with every one else.
spies8tina 5:22 pm
I just am a bit confused at how you end up on Savannah over Zek, Rondak and Dane.
You mentioned all of those names Tuesday.
I guess why vote for Savannah if you were not happy with the vote.
There is no reason to vote someone you think is citizen over someone you think is spy, even if it is to make a point.
spies8themba 5:23 pm
Overall reason I voted Savannah is because I had to move off of Allan. I don't know if he's lying or if it's a Cit role, but I am not comfortable voting him regardless. Which left me with the following choices: Vote me, vote Steph or vote Savannah. I was more comfortable voting for Savannah, so I voted for Savannah.
spies8tina 5:23 pm
That is a bit of a false dillema.
spies8themba 5:23 pm
Am I still suspicious of Zed? Of course. Dane? Possibly. Rondak? God knows. Like I said I need to know more.
Let me finish.
spies8tina 5:24 pm
Ok.
spies8themba 5:24 pm
So. I either vote for one of the two other names being voted, or I stand on my own and vote for Zed and watch myself get exiled. Also not an option.
Am I going to vote someone else to save myself? Hell yes.
spies8tina 5:25 pm
Ok, so it was more of a self-preservation vote?
If you could have exiled anyone flat out, who would it have been after that claim?
spies8themba 5:26 pm
It was, I suppose. I had very little choice. Either a vote for Savannah or Steph would've been a self preservation vote.
spies8themba 5:26 pm
Hard question. I have honestly not been able to look into people as much as I've wanted as I spent so much time defending myself. However, if I had to choose, it'd be Zed still.
brb
spies8tina 5:28 pm
It's ok. I am going to be getting sleep soon myself. I am tried right now and want to at very least be up for Mexico-Argentina tomorrow.
spies8themba 5:37 pm
haha well enjoy that. i'll keep reading the dem's stuff and fingers-crossed will be able to contribute a little more next episode. note how i know i won't be exiled??? :-P anyway, talk to you later. i should hopefully have some questions for you by then too.
spies8tina 5:38 pm
Well, I reccomend the threads made by Isaac, Jasmine, Lawrence and Broderick.
All interesting reads.
Also their reasoning for each vote.
spies8themba 5:39 pm
i will. just about to look at jasmine and isaac now.
spies8tina 5:39 pm
Those two are confusing.
spies8themba 5:39 pm
maybe i can run my thoughts by you tomorrow or something?
spies8tina 5:39 pm
Ok. I already have a few thoughts about the newcomers,
I think we gained more spies than we lost at first glance, but all I can see if the public stuff.
spies8themba 5:40 pm
interesting. well i look forward to hearing your thoughts and adding my own. getting off the topic of me would be a nice change.
spies8tina 5:40 pm
I think I will be doing as much talking to new guys as I can before imprisonment.
So much to cover and so little time.
Plus it seems like they have at least one lurker coming our way.
spies8tina 5:42 pm
Lilith, Lawrence appears a little active but not a presence in group chat.
spies8themba 5:42 pm
yes, yes there is. it's going to be an interesting imprisonment. yeah lilith doesn't seem to be around much from what i have seen. lawrence also doesn't seem to talk much.
haha.
spies8tina 5:42 pm
Smart doc protects Nita.
spies8themba 5:42 pm
i will look at his thread too.
you think she was saved?
spies8tina 5:42 pm
I would put money on her being saved.
spies8themba 5:42 pm
lmfao. dumb spies.
spies8tina 5:43 pm
As much as I like to think it was me, I think that was more likely.
spies8themba 5:43 pm
i wouldn't have picked her if i was a spy. that's silly.
you'd know if it was you, surely. i am sure the doc must have contacted the saved by now.
spies8tina 5:43 pm
Unless doc was dem round one.
spies8tina 5:44 pm
Either way, I would rather have Nita around than Allan for sure.
spies8themba 5:44 pm
could they still pm though? maybe that's against the rules too. interesting. had forgotten about that.
oh definitely. i admire her interrogation skills. yours too. you're both good at this game. i could learn a lot. shame it's the last season.
spies8tina 5:45 pm
People always are asking if I have played before.
I only play lots of games at work with real people.
So I like AIM, it is real time.
I guess that is besides the point though.
spies8themba 5:46 pm
So you obviously have very good analytical skills in whatever line of work you do. You seem to be able to break down what people are saying quite easily. That's the part I like. I enjoy AIM also.
spies8tina 5:46 pm
Have to wonder if the girl who told me about this is playing still though.
Again, besides the point.
Spy hunting is more productive.
spies8themba 5:47 pm
A RL friend? You might be able to pick her if you spend a bit of time with her online. Like poor old Gerty. LOL. I feel sorry for Gertie.
It is, it is. But you've questioned me and I have reading to do and so there's probably not much more for you to do until someone else pops up on AIM. Or go get some sleep so you can watch the game :-)
spies8tina 5:48 pm
Yeah, I have $10 on Argentina. So will be interested.
spies8tina 5:48 pm
Have done a good job calling games so far.
spies8themba 5:48 pm
Nice one. Good luck to Argentina then. I don't mind who wins out of that game tbh.
spies8tina 5:49 pm
Japan and Solvakia advancing were the only ones I missed.
spies8themba 5:49 pm
that is impressive.
spies8tina 5:49 pm
No massive upsets though outside of them except maybe Korea and Ghana.
spies8tina 5:50 pm
Japan was the biggest shock to me.
Beating Cameroon and Denmark? Not bad at all.
spies8themba 5:51 pm
Yeah Ghana were a bit of a shock too. But I am supporting them now of course, being the only African country left.
Haha Japan and their stupid blonde haired boys. They look so silly.
spies8tina 5:51 pm
Well, being from California I wanted USA, but was not ready to bet on them.
spies8themba 5:51 pm
Haha good call there!
spies8tina 5:51 pm
That was going to be a great game and delivered.
spies8themba 5:52 pm
It was a good game, my FB page was alive with supporters from both sides, that's for sure.
spies8tina 5:52 pm
I had Argentina over Netherlands before this started. I like it so far.
spies8tina 5:53 pm
Uruguay-Netherlands and Argentia-Spain is looking realistic.
spies8themba 5:53 pm
God, Argentina-Spain. That would be insane.
spies8tina 5:54 pm
If Spain beats Portugal they are in final four, Paraguay and Japan are no match.
Argentina and Netherlands have rough routes.
Brazil-Chile will be another great game.
10 man chile losing 2-1 to spain was fun.
spies8themba 5:55 pm
Yes that will be amazing too. So much to look forward to! It's a great game.
spies8themba 5:55 pm
I missed that one I think. Only heard about it later.
And poor Australia. Did they play 2/4 games with 10 a side?
spies8tina 5:56 pm
I know of one, was not sure of the second.
Most of the group stage games were during work for me.
This week and last week though I got out of work in time for the later game.
spies8themba 5:57 pm
I think they did. First game v. Germany and 3rd game v. Ghana. From memory. Australia are pretty popular over here. Well were anyway.
spies8tina 5:57 pm
Aussies-Ghana was hard to pick.
spies8themba 5:57 pm
Yeah I am looking forward to seeing a little more myself - will see how time goes. Was a good game.
spies8themba 5:57 pm
So who are you supporting now the US are gone?
spies8tina 5:58 pm
Uruguay, Chile and Argentina.
Like the south american teams.
SA is stacked this world cup.
Six of the sixteen.
spies8themba 5:59 pm
Nice. Well good luck to them. I'll be switching to the Netherlands if Ghana get knocked out.
That's crazy - didn't realise it was so many.
spies8tina 5:59 pm
I still would like to have at least three of my predicted final four go through.
Had England where USA was.
spies8themba 6:00 pm
Who are your predicted final 4 again?
spies8tina 6:00 pm
Netherlands over England and Argentina over Spain.
spies8themba 6:01 pm
Cool. Well I'm going to get some more reading in before I head out for the morning rounds. So, I will catch up with you later on today probably.
spies8tina 6:01 pm
Ok, I am going to sleep pretty soon, just want to finish watching the old survivor episode I am on.
Got bored so am sorta rewatching all seasons.
spies8themba 6:02 pm
Haha nice one. Well enjoy, and I'll talk to you later :-)
spies8tina 6:02 pm
Ok, see you later.
-=-
Thoughts:
- Ugh. If I have to spend this episode again defending myself, I think I will just write: Themba is not a Spy. My name means Trust Me. So BACK THE FUCK OFF and go find a Spy!
- I am impressed with her questioning skills - though I could have gotten to her point in my first answer if I really wanted to. Of course it was a majorly self-saving vote! But she obviously has either a much smarter brain or more time than me, or both, to compile her thoughts so compactly.
- Good point by me that we've never spoken about anything apart from me really.
- Still need to ask her some questions. I will get to that. I will. This home computer has a shithouse old Notepad and no Word program, so copy/pasting stuff is just not worth the time. I have to do this at work. I will do this at work. If I am not Imprisoned...
Monday 28th June:
[13:42] spies8tina: Did you ever get caught up on all the dem stuff?
[13:42] spies8themba: most of it yeah, but i haven't talked their group chats. yet.
[13:43] spies8themba: but the individual threads i think i've read them all.
[13:43] spies8tina: What is your take on the Isaac-Jasmine stuff? That is the odd one to me.
[13:45] spies8themba: Out of the 2, I'd like to question Jasmine about why she didn't push ahead with her case on Chance. It doesn't make sense to me. It's almost like a fight was picked because she needed someone else to pay her attention to?
[13:45] spies8themba: I also find it interesting that she FoS'd Isaac for freaking out or whatever, when Broderick said she did the exact same thing.
[13:47] spies8themba: I also think it's odd she says somewhere "I think Margot may be a Citizen" but she votes for her anyway. I'd like to ask her about that too.
[13:47] spies8tina: There is a lot of stuff to ask the new people.
[13:47] spies8tina: All the important new people are not around though.
[13:47] spies8themba: Hell yeah. Lawrence is on my list next.
[13:48] spies8themba: I think all his thoughts are made up of burg posts and team threads. I don't think there's any IM's in there. If you're suspicious, you ask don't you?
[13:48] spies8tina: He is a fairly high priority to talk to.
[13:49] spies8themba: Agreed.
[13:49] spies8themba: I have a feeling it may come down to burg posts though. I haven't seen him online yet.
[13:49] spies8tina: If they have not shown by tomorrow after work, I am just PMing people.
[13:50] spies8themba: I was thinking the same. What's your take on Isaac / Jasmine?
[13:50] spies8tina: Very hard to understand since there seems to be a little hate of eachother going on.
[13:51] spies8themba: Yes. It'll be interesting to see them together if we can get them online at the same time.
[13:53] spies8tina: One interesting part is that neither of them voted for the other.
[13:53] spies8themba: You became really suspect for me in the last two hours or so. But I think the fact that Margot, being in the chat and such. Not doing much is odd as well.(When all this was going on) I'm not really sure what to think. I think I'm leaning towards more of lynching Margot at this point. But you really hit my radar. Was hoping to get more thoughts on you overall, but there has been a lack of them. (From others.)
[13:53] spies8themba: ^ Jasmine
[13:54] spies8themba: Well, there was no chance of one of them being lynched maybe? It is interesting they didn't turn on eachother, yes.
[13:56] spies8tina: Isaac had two votes against him.
[13:56] spies8themba: And I thought Kiara was on the other team. Need to speak to her too.
[13:57] spies8themba: Hmmm. So she could have voted him. There may have been a chance he'd go. But she stayed on the person who she wasn't really sure about. Ugh. Her posts are confusing.
[13:57] spies8themba: It's going to need military precision questioning.
[13:57] spies8tina: Jasmine votes Isaac, Margot still goes but in a 5-3-2-2
[13:57] spies8tina: I prefer "enter guns blazing" questioning.
[13:57] spies8tina: Subtlety gets boring.
[13:58] spies8themba: brb
-=-
Thoughts:
- It's only a half lie. I got caught up on the Dem stuff whilst we were chatting...
- Would be good to be able to throw ideas around with her.
Wednesday 23rd June:
[14:08] spies8tina: Hello. I have a few questions if you have time here.
[14:08] spies8themba: Go for it hun.
[14:08] spies8themba: I am at work though, just fyi.
[14:08] spies8tina: Ok. First off, who are you voting right now out of curiosity.
[14:09] spies8themba: Right now I am still on Zed. Though Nita makes some good points about Sav/Zed/Alexei.
[14:09] spies8themba: But I want to look into Rondak a little. We haven't spoken and I think we need to.
[14:10] spies8tina: Ok. What was your thought process around the last end of the first day though.
[14:10] spies8tina: You were on Dane for a while, when did that change to Alexei?
[14:11] spies8tina: I never saw when that happened.
[14:12] spies8themba: When I posted it changed, in the group chat. There's snippets of my discussion with Alexei in my responses to Zed and Hambone, and there's the full recollection in the group chat. I changed then.
[14:13] spies8tina: So the tipping point was the comment about voting Dane just to get rid of him?
[14:14] spies8themba: Yep.
[14:14] spies8tina: Was there a buildup or was it just that?
[14:14] spies8themba: Dane can also verify that - we were talking on IM's at the same time.
[14:14] spies8themba: I looked at what you guys had posted, and what you sent me about him and agreeing to Steph's ideas on Dane. So I asked him about that in the chat too.
[14:16] spies8tina: Ok, so you were already debating a change before that point?
[14:17] spies8themba: From Dane to Zed do you mean? My vote on Dane was tentative, as many first votes are, pending further information. If something came to light which was stronger, I would of course move my vote to that person. Same as I did from Alex to Zed.
[14:18] spies8tina: Ok, so at the time you moved from Dane to Alexei still did not have a clear suspect?
[14:19] spies8themba: Dane was my suspect, hence I was voting for him. It was not clear. Nothing was clear that early on.
[14:19] spies8tina: Ok. What was the tipping point back to Zek then? The HQ comment?
[14:20] spies8tina: Before that too, what was your thoughts of him.
[14:21] spies8themba: The HQ comment definitely tipped it for me, and he just cannot address anything head on it seems.
[14:21] spies8themba: My thoughts were he was just useless - question was, was he a useless cit or a useless spy?
[14:22] spies8themba: almost nothing of what he writes makes sense to me. apart from a couple of bits in his thread today i guess.
[14:23] spies8tina: And you already said that you are still voting Zek right now?
[14:23] spies8tina: With Savannah as a second pick?
[14:24] spies8themba: At this point. If I had to pick right now, I'd have to still pick Zed. No, Sav is not a second choice.
[14:24] spies8themba: I don't know who would be. I really want to chat to Rondak and also go through the Alexei-related stuff again, because I missed all the chats apart from his last one.
[14:26] spies8tina: Well, that is all I can think of right now. Any return questions?
[14:27] spies8themba: If you had to vote right now, who would it be and why? And, why do you think no one has come after you yet for switching?
[14:29] spies8tina: Have my tenative vote on you that went up right after imprisonment. I am likely going to be between you and Savannah for this next exile to be straight up.
[14:29] spies8tina: Also people have asked me about it a bit.
[14:30] spies8tina: I was one of the people who contributed the most to the Alexei wagon, especially early on. So I think that most people have a medium citizen read on me even though I changed it.
[14:30] spies8themba: You're the second person to say that they're voting me after imprisonment/exile. Why do you think I am a Spy? I think my explanations of my actions have been open and well documented?
[14:31] spies8tina: The one odd one to me was the comment over the "giving up".
[14:32] spies8tina: Looking back at it, I got a feeling that you were trying to attach your name to have made the case, when I had little idea of where you stood on it for most of the game up to that point.
[14:33] spies8themba: Interesting. And I was, but only to that point.
[14:33] spies8tina: Soon after that very confident statement, your vote changed, which again was odd to me.
[14:34] spies8tina: I could have seen a spy trying to get credit for it with a move like that. Untill that point it was mainly myself and Nita, and to a lesser but noticeable exent, Owen.
[14:35] spies8themba: Sure, well I was definitely only pointing out that he gave up. And I can see your concerns about the switch vote, but like I said, I was literally 45/55 between the 2. I took a guess. May have been wrong. May have also been right.
[14:35] spies8tina: You read like it was a whole lot stronger than 45/55 to a lot of people there.
[14:36] spies8themba: well you could never be 100% sure it was a give up can you? you can hope, but you can't know until he's out of the game. if he flipped cit, maybe i would've looked silly for suggesting he did give up.
[14:37] spies8tina: Well, you said it so you had to think it was fairly likely.
[14:38] spies8tina: If you did not there would have been no reason to.
[14:38] spies8themba: Hopeful moreso than likely.
[14:38] spies8themba: Hopefull
[14:39] spies8themba: I say things all the time without thought Tina, as you may see with time. I don't need to second guess the effects of my comments. I am not cautious like that. I have no reason to be.
[14:39] spies8tina: Hah.
[14:40] spies8themba: lol. it's true. i will brb.
[14:41] spies8tina: Ok. I am about out of questions at this point however.
[14:45] spies8themba: Np. The only other thing I wanted to say is... if i was a spy, wouldn't it have been easier for me to just stay where i was, on my lame spybuddy, rather than change to zed and risk all of this scrutiny? Just a thought for you. Cause I really don't want to be exiled yet.
[14:45] spies8tina: It is something that I have thought about.
[14:46] spies8themba: Cool.
[14:46] spies8tina: My vote is far from anything concrete right now.
[14:46] spies8themba: Cool again.
[14:46] spies8themba: TY for questioning me, rather than just voting.
[14:46] spies8tina: You have to question people. That is the game.
[14:46] spies8themba: Try telling that to some people
[14:47] spies8tina: If you are not, you are doing something wrong.
[14:47] spies8tina: Even if you have to PM people, it beats blind vote.
[14:47] spies8themba: agreed.
-=-
Thoughts:
- Amazing how much thought some people put into the littlest of things. No wonder this game to do your head in.
- Should probably ask her why she changed too. Will get there eventually.
- Still feel cit vibe. 60/40
Sunday 27th June:
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spies8tina is available 5:01 pm
Greetings new folk! Please come talk to me. 5h and 4m ago Comment
spies8tina 5:00 pm
Nice to see you back. Just about everyone had left for the break which was unfortunate. There was much to talk about.
spies8themba 5:02 pm
Heya - yeah the break is technically over now though right? People should start filtering through now hopefully. There is a lot to talk about. I don't even know where to start with the Dem's threads to be honest.
spies8tina 5:03 pm
Read the Isaac-Jasmine debate. Read the threads Lawrence and Broderick put up last episode. I think I am fairly caught up on their side baring a few questions.
spies8themba 5:04 pm
I just read Lawrence's thread. So at least that's one down!
Which ones are in our team again? I forget and I can't see it posted anywhere.
Lawrence is one I remember that.
spies8tina 5:05 pm
Lawrence, Isaac, Jasmine, Lilith and Broderick.
We lost Nita, Rondak, Jenny, Hambone and Allan.
spies8themba 5:06 pm
Oh Allan went too. Interesting to see what happens with his 'role'. And Isaac and Jasmine together? They seem opinionated. That's good. No idea on Broderick. And Lilith is our current inactive from memory.
spies8tina 5:06 pm
Anyways, that aside, how did you end up on Savannah last episode? It seems like an odder move when most of your reasons stated in the thread were not the same as the cast on her.
Just struck me as odd there, especially the Steph point since most people were somewhat suspect of her.
If Savannah had claimed a role, Steph would have gone.
spies8themba 5:08 pm
Well I read what other people posted and thought it was a little odd, and I also thought her trying to put suspicion on me and Allan when she 'smelled blood' in the group chat. And out of me, Steph and Savannah, I thought she'd be the most likely spy.
You think? I would've thought I would've gone.
spies8tina 5:08 pm
Myself, Owen and Gabe were all on the Steph-Savannah fence.
All three of us would have moved to Steph I think if there was a claim.
spies8themba 5:08 pm
Yeah you
are probably right.
I just don't think Steph's a spy either. I really don't.
spies8tina 5:09 pm
Anyways, why is jumping on you and Allan super suspect? Savannah explcitly said she does not think Allan is a spy prior to his claim.
spies8themba 5:09 pm
Maybe I've spent too much time talking to her, and the whole emotional parts' come in, but I don't know.
spies8themba 5:10 pm
She jumps in on the questioning a little during the group chats (on Allan moreso than me) and it looks like she's trying to flick people off to an Allan vote. She also picks me as suspicious for reasons I'd argue she was guilty of doing herself - like voting for Zed, not looking at other people, not developing cases on other people, etc.
spies8tina 5:12 pm
Well, the latter I am not so sure of really being a valid point. If she thought that Zek voters were more likely scum, why would she not push that way, even if she would contract a little suspicion herself.
spies8tina 5:13 pm
She also was not really the most quiet person on others, especially on the Zek stuff.
She did more on that than anyone else.
spies8themba 5:13 pm
I agree. It's completely not valid. No point in accusing one cit of doing something you're also doing.
That's true to some extent - but Jenny started the Zed vote, and Savannah followed it. Only Savannah pushed it in the group chat though.
spies8tina 5:14 pm
Savannah was the main pusher of that case, Jenny accidentally started it.
Looking back from that one, and subsequent ones, Jenny never intended it to get that big.
spies8tina 5:15 pm
It would be like saying Jenny started the Alexei stuff, since she was the one who started the convo that made him a suspect.
spies8themba 5:15 pm
Maybe so. Why didn't she push it into Ep 2 though? Because Alexei flipped Spy and there couldn't be 2 competing spies for the vote already?
No, that's not what I meant. Jenny was the first to declare that she was voting for Zed.
spies8tina 5:15 pm
Ah ok.
spies8themba 5:15 pm
I thought Savannah and Jenny did everything behind the scenes together.
spies8tina 5:16 pm
Quite the opposite from my view. Savannah actively pushed the Zek case while dismissing others, Jenny just dismissed others.
Anyways, you said the following about Savannah when you voted her - "There is more detail which I am sure I'll be asked to explain further at a later date."
What does that even mean?
spies8themba 5:17 pm
I had to defend my vote last episode, so I was referring to that painful task I'll probably have to endure again this episode.
I spent the entire last episode defending myself and saving my ass. Doesn't leave much time to do much else.
spies8tina 5:17 pm
Why did you expect to need to defend a vote if you thought she was a spy though?
spies8themba 5:18 pm
Because if she did flip Citizen, I would be asked to explain myself. I did not know that she was a citizen. But to be honest, I didn't think she was a spy either. I was much more comfortable with an Allan vote. Jenny can verify that.
spies8tina 5:19 pm
So why vote for her?
spies8themba 5:19 pm
Even if she was a spy, I'd be asked to explain myself.
Because I wasn't voting for Steph, and I wasn't voting for me.
spies8tina 5:19 pm
So Allan was the only remotely suspect person?
Tuesday you told me you were voting Zek.
That was a little under 48 hours untill exile.
spies8themba 5:20 pm
Allan was literally the only person I got to do some sort of questioning on last episode. I spoke with Hambone about him before he posted his case on him, agreed it was suspect and watched him post it and the comments which followed.
spies8tina 5:20 pm
You also mentioned Rondak at that time.
Yet you end up voting probably citizen for unknown reasons?
spies8themba 5:21 pm
Rondak is just odd. Odd more than suspicious. I need to speak to him more.
It's not unknown reasons. I've told you why I voted Savannah.
spies8tina 5:21 pm
Well, reasons that were not the core reasons from everyone else.
spies8themba 5:22 pm
I don't really care if they're the same as every one else's. That's not my aim in this game. I don't want to blend in with every one else.
spies8tina 5:22 pm
I just am a bit confused at how you end up on Savannah over Zek, Rondak and Dane.
You mentioned all of those names Tuesday.
I guess why vote for Savannah if you were not happy with the vote.
There is no reason to vote someone you think is citizen over someone you think is spy, even if it is to make a point.
spies8themba 5:23 pm
Overall reason I voted Savannah is because I had to move off of Allan. I don't know if he's lying or if it's a Cit role, but I am not comfortable voting him regardless. Which left me with the following choices: Vote me, vote Steph or vote Savannah. I was more comfortable voting for Savannah, so I voted for Savannah.
spies8tina 5:23 pm
That is a bit of a false dillema.
spies8themba 5:23 pm
Am I still suspicious of Zed? Of course. Dane? Possibly. Rondak? God knows. Like I said I need to know more.
Let me finish.
spies8tina 5:24 pm
Ok.
spies8themba 5:24 pm
So. I either vote for one of the two other names being voted, or I stand on my own and vote for Zed and watch myself get exiled. Also not an option.
Am I going to vote someone else to save myself? Hell yes.
spies8tina 5:25 pm
Ok, so it was more of a self-preservation vote?
If you could have exiled anyone flat out, who would it have been after that claim?
spies8themba 5:26 pm
It was, I suppose. I had very little choice. Either a vote for Savannah or Steph would've been a self preservation vote.
spies8themba 5:26 pm
Hard question. I have honestly not been able to look into people as much as I've wanted as I spent so much time defending myself. However, if I had to choose, it'd be Zed still.
brb
spies8tina 5:28 pm
It's ok. I am going to be getting sleep soon myself. I am tried right now and want to at very least be up for Mexico-Argentina tomorrow.
spies8themba 5:37 pm
haha well enjoy that. i'll keep reading the dem's stuff and fingers-crossed will be able to contribute a little more next episode. note how i know i won't be exiled??? :-P anyway, talk to you later. i should hopefully have some questions for you by then too.
spies8tina 5:38 pm
Well, I reccomend the threads made by Isaac, Jasmine, Lawrence and Broderick.
All interesting reads.
Also their reasoning for each vote.
spies8themba 5:39 pm
i will. just about to look at jasmine and isaac now.
spies8tina 5:39 pm
Those two are confusing.
spies8themba 5:39 pm
maybe i can run my thoughts by you tomorrow or something?
spies8tina 5:39 pm
Ok. I already have a few thoughts about the newcomers,
I think we gained more spies than we lost at first glance, but all I can see if the public stuff.
spies8themba 5:40 pm
interesting. well i look forward to hearing your thoughts and adding my own. getting off the topic of me would be a nice change.
spies8tina 5:40 pm
I think I will be doing as much talking to new guys as I can before imprisonment.
So much to cover and so little time.
Plus it seems like they have at least one lurker coming our way.
spies8tina 5:42 pm
Lilith, Lawrence appears a little active but not a presence in group chat.
spies8themba 5:42 pm
yes, yes there is. it's going to be an interesting imprisonment. yeah lilith doesn't seem to be around much from what i have seen. lawrence also doesn't seem to talk much.
haha.
spies8tina 5:42 pm
Smart doc protects Nita.
spies8themba 5:42 pm
i will look at his thread too.
you think she was saved?
spies8tina 5:42 pm
I would put money on her being saved.
spies8themba 5:42 pm
lmfao. dumb spies.
spies8tina 5:43 pm
As much as I like to think it was me, I think that was more likely.
spies8themba 5:43 pm
i wouldn't have picked her if i was a spy. that's silly.
you'd know if it was you, surely. i am sure the doc must have contacted the saved by now.
spies8tina 5:43 pm
Unless doc was dem round one.
spies8tina 5:44 pm
Either way, I would rather have Nita around than Allan for sure.
spies8themba 5:44 pm
could they still pm though? maybe that's against the rules too. interesting. had forgotten about that.
oh definitely. i admire her interrogation skills. yours too. you're both good at this game. i could learn a lot. shame it's the last season.
spies8tina 5:45 pm
People always are asking if I have played before.
I only play lots of games at work with real people.
So I like AIM, it is real time.
I guess that is besides the point though.
spies8themba 5:46 pm
So you obviously have very good analytical skills in whatever line of work you do. You seem to be able to break down what people are saying quite easily. That's the part I like. I enjoy AIM also.
spies8tina 5:46 pm
Have to wonder if the girl who told me about this is playing still though.
Again, besides the point.
Spy hunting is more productive.
spies8themba 5:47 pm
A RL friend? You might be able to pick her if you spend a bit of time with her online. Like poor old Gerty. LOL. I feel sorry for Gertie.
It is, it is. But you've questioned me and I have reading to do and so there's probably not much more for you to do until someone else pops up on AIM. Or go get some sleep so you can watch the game :-)
spies8tina 5:48 pm
Yeah, I have $10 on Argentina. So will be interested.
spies8tina 5:48 pm
Have done a good job calling games so far.
spies8themba 5:48 pm
Nice one. Good luck to Argentina then. I don't mind who wins out of that game tbh.
spies8tina 5:49 pm
Japan and Solvakia advancing were the only ones I missed.
spies8themba 5:49 pm
that is impressive.
spies8tina 5:49 pm
No massive upsets though outside of them except maybe Korea and Ghana.
spies8tina 5:50 pm
Japan was the biggest shock to me.
Beating Cameroon and Denmark? Not bad at all.
spies8themba 5:51 pm
Yeah Ghana were a bit of a shock too. But I am supporting them now of course, being the only African country left.
Haha Japan and their stupid blonde haired boys. They look so silly.
spies8tina 5:51 pm
Well, being from California I wanted USA, but was not ready to bet on them.
spies8themba 5:51 pm
Haha good call there!
spies8tina 5:51 pm
That was going to be a great game and delivered.
spies8themba 5:52 pm
It was a good game, my FB page was alive with supporters from both sides, that's for sure.
spies8tina 5:52 pm
I had Argentina over Netherlands before this started. I like it so far.
spies8tina 5:53 pm
Uruguay-Netherlands and Argentia-Spain is looking realistic.
spies8themba 5:53 pm
God, Argentina-Spain. That would be insane.
spies8tina 5:54 pm
If Spain beats Portugal they are in final four, Paraguay and Japan are no match.
Argentina and Netherlands have rough routes.
Brazil-Chile will be another great game.
10 man chile losing 2-1 to spain was fun.
spies8themba 5:55 pm
Yes that will be amazing too. So much to look forward to! It's a great game.
spies8themba 5:55 pm
I missed that one I think. Only heard about it later.
And poor Australia. Did they play 2/4 games with 10 a side?
spies8tina 5:56 pm
I know of one, was not sure of the second.
Most of the group stage games were during work for me.
This week and last week though I got out of work in time for the later game.
spies8themba 5:57 pm
I think they did. First game v. Germany and 3rd game v. Ghana. From memory. Australia are pretty popular over here. Well were anyway.
spies8tina 5:57 pm
Aussies-Ghana was hard to pick.
spies8themba 5:57 pm
Yeah I am looking forward to seeing a little more myself - will see how time goes. Was a good game.
spies8themba 5:57 pm
So who are you supporting now the US are gone?
spies8tina 5:58 pm
Uruguay, Chile and Argentina.
Like the south american teams.
SA is stacked this world cup.
Six of the sixteen.
spies8themba 5:59 pm
Nice. Well good luck to them. I'll be switching to the Netherlands if Ghana get knocked out.
That's crazy - didn't realise it was so many.
spies8tina 5:59 pm
I still would like to have at least three of my predicted final four go through.
Had England where USA was.
spies8themba 6:00 pm
Who are your predicted final 4 again?
spies8tina 6:00 pm
Netherlands over England and Argentina over Spain.
spies8themba 6:01 pm
Cool. Well I'm going to get some more reading in before I head out for the morning rounds. So, I will catch up with you later on today probably.
spies8tina 6:01 pm
Ok, I am going to sleep pretty soon, just want to finish watching the old survivor episode I am on.
Got bored so am sorta rewatching all seasons.
spies8themba 6:02 pm
Haha nice one. Well enjoy, and I'll talk to you later :-)
spies8tina 6:02 pm
Ok, see you later.
-=-
Thoughts:
- Ugh. If I have to spend this episode again defending myself, I think I will just write: Themba is not a Spy. My name means Trust Me. So BACK THE FUCK OFF and go find a Spy!
- I am impressed with her questioning skills - though I could have gotten to her point in my first answer if I really wanted to. Of course it was a majorly self-saving vote! But she obviously has either a much smarter brain or more time than me, or both, to compile her thoughts so compactly.
- Good point by me that we've never spoken about anything apart from me really.
- Still need to ask her some questions. I will get to that. I will. This home computer has a shithouse old Notepad and no Word program, so copy/pasting stuff is just not worth the time. I have to do this at work. I will do this at work. If I am not Imprisoned...
Monday 28th June:
[13:42] spies8tina: Did you ever get caught up on all the dem stuff?
[13:42] spies8themba: most of it yeah, but i haven't talked their group chats. yet.
[13:43] spies8themba: but the individual threads i think i've read them all.
[13:43] spies8tina: What is your take on the Isaac-Jasmine stuff? That is the odd one to me.
[13:45] spies8themba: Out of the 2, I'd like to question Jasmine about why she didn't push ahead with her case on Chance. It doesn't make sense to me. It's almost like a fight was picked because she needed someone else to pay her attention to?
[13:45] spies8themba: I also find it interesting that she FoS'd Isaac for freaking out or whatever, when Broderick said she did the exact same thing.
[13:47] spies8themba: I also think it's odd she says somewhere "I think Margot may be a Citizen" but she votes for her anyway. I'd like to ask her about that too.
[13:47] spies8tina: There is a lot of stuff to ask the new people.
[13:47] spies8tina: All the important new people are not around though.
[13:47] spies8themba: Hell yeah. Lawrence is on my list next.
[13:48] spies8themba: I think all his thoughts are made up of burg posts and team threads. I don't think there's any IM's in there. If you're suspicious, you ask don't you?
[13:48] spies8tina: He is a fairly high priority to talk to.
[13:49] spies8themba: Agreed.
[13:49] spies8themba: I have a feeling it may come down to burg posts though. I haven't seen him online yet.
[13:49] spies8tina: If they have not shown by tomorrow after work, I am just PMing people.
[13:50] spies8themba: I was thinking the same. What's your take on Isaac / Jasmine?
[13:50] spies8tina: Very hard to understand since there seems to be a little hate of eachother going on.
[13:51] spies8themba: Yes. It'll be interesting to see them together if we can get them online at the same time.
[13:53] spies8tina: One interesting part is that neither of them voted for the other.
[13:53] spies8themba: You became really suspect for me in the last two hours or so. But I think the fact that Margot, being in the chat and such. Not doing much is odd as well.(When all this was going on) I'm not really sure what to think. I think I'm leaning towards more of lynching Margot at this point. But you really hit my radar. Was hoping to get more thoughts on you overall, but there has been a lack of them. (From others.)
[13:53] spies8themba: ^ Jasmine
[13:54] spies8themba: Well, there was no chance of one of them being lynched maybe? It is interesting they didn't turn on eachother, yes.
[13:56] spies8tina: Isaac had two votes against him.
[13:56] spies8themba: And I thought Kiara was on the other team. Need to speak to her too.
[13:57] spies8themba: Hmmm. So she could have voted him. There may have been a chance he'd go. But she stayed on the person who she wasn't really sure about. Ugh. Her posts are confusing.
[13:57] spies8themba: It's going to need military precision questioning.
[13:57] spies8tina: Jasmine votes Isaac, Margot still goes but in a 5-3-2-2
[13:57] spies8tina: I prefer "enter guns blazing" questioning.
[13:57] spies8tina: Subtlety gets boring.
[13:58] spies8themba: brb
-=-
Thoughts:
- It's only a half lie. I got caught up on the Dem stuff whilst we were chatting...
- Would be good to be able to throw ideas around with her.