Savannah
Savannah
Sweet as a cupcake (yum!)
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Round 9
Aug 2, 2010 21:22:32 GMT -6
Post by Savannah on Aug 2, 2010 21:22:32 GMT -6
JENYA Jenny!! Omg, hate to say it but I'm surprised to see you here (but happy!!). Yay for not being spies! Let's party.
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Nita
Nita
Foreign Agent - ?Sorpresa!
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Round 9
Aug 2, 2010 21:23:19 GMT -6
Post by Nita on Aug 2, 2010 21:23:19 GMT -6
Still expectin Sam to say "just kiddin".
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Nita
Nita
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Round 9
Aug 2, 2010 21:31:08 GMT -6
Post by Nita on Aug 2, 2010 21:31:08 GMT -6
Also, Awohali you suck.
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Round 9
Aug 2, 2010 23:19:55 GMT -6
Post by Awohali on Aug 2, 2010 23:19:55 GMT -6
I did what I felt was necessary. Sometimes things do not work out optimally, but it is a decision that I can live with nonetheless. Even in death, I wanted to pursue getting rid of my suspects.
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Post by Allan on Aug 3, 2010 2:15:21 GMT -6
Thank you for not being a spy Jenny... I can finally breathe a sigh of relief! Welcome, though I wish you coulda made it to the end!
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Nita
Nita
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Post by Nita on Aug 3, 2010 7:47:58 GMT -6
I'm meanin you suck Awohali
for statin Jenny was a spy like it was a FACT
for stoppin spyhuntin for an entire round based on your guess
for not researchin Jenny enough (es one thing for us to suspect her - we ain't able to talk to her or anyone else y haven't been for a month - you ain't got that excuse)
for messin up the votin history of Stephanie y Mary y removin those clues
for leadin the cits to exile a cit
You feel good bout livin wit your decision? Fantastico. But if everybody en the cast think you do the worst move en the game, I gonna support that.
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Post by Awohali on Aug 3, 2010 8:05:59 GMT -6
I'm meanin you suck Awohali for statin Jenny was a spy like it was a FACT for stoppin spyhuntin for an entire round based on your guess for not researchin Jenny enough (es one thing for us to suspect her - we ain't able to talk to her or anyone else y haven't been for a month - you ain't got that excuse) for messin up the votin history of Stephanie y Mary y removin those clues for leadin the cits to exile a cit You feel good bout livin wit your decision? Fantastico. But if everybody en the cast think you do the worst move en the game, I gonna support that. You are foolish if you believe this, Nita. You were not in the game, so I guess it is understandable how you have your facts so misconstrued. I did not, at any time, stop investigating, questioning, or studying Jenny. Perhaps your self-righteousness would be better spent on something of which you actually have a clue about.
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Nita
Nita
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Post by Nita on Aug 3, 2010 8:13:37 GMT -6
Awohali, if all your investigatin, alll your questionin y all your studyin pointed to Jenny as the #1 spy en the game, then you no do all that ENOUGH - which is what I say en my post.
Y you ain't disprovin the rest of what I say. All that still true.
My spy guesses for this round: Broderick, Kiara, Owen, Rondak, Mary
Edit: I forget Mary en the game
2nd edit: I be okay wit namin 5 spies. Accordin to my hypergeometric distribution calculation the probability of namin all 4 spies in a sample set of 5 es P(X=4) = 0.00699
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Nita
Nita
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Post by Nita on Aug 3, 2010 9:15:22 GMT -6
I like to post.
Things said last night that I agree wit:
On why the citizens are losin: spies8Broderick: We've been in bad shape for awhile now. Ever since players decided to stunt their playing so they could play with their roles
On Chance: spies8Mary: Why did [Chance] need to protect anyone from Exile anyway? spies8Mary: It was his choice to play scummy. It was a bad decision.
Go Cinnamyn!: spies8Broderick: Who do you think the spies are Cinnamyn? spies8Cinnamyn: kiara, rondak, and... spies8Cinnamyn: 2 of owen/mary/brod/claude
spies8Cinnamyn: i think da rolegroup wuz poisoned badly spies8Broderick: I wasn't in the role group spies8Broderick: But interesting that I'm back on your list. ;-) spies8Cinnamyn: yea well u r in there cuz i think u talk a lot of talk but u dont walk a lot of walk spies8Cinnamyn: not cuz da role group spies8Broderick: What walk am I not walking? spies8Cinnamyn: i think u sit back and play devils advocate but dont make pushes spies8Cinnamyn: then wen da burg makes a mistake u uze it as keystone turning points spies8Broderick: I posted a case on you episode 7. spies8Broderick: I also was the only one to defend Awohali when he was being exiled in that group chat spies8Broderick: So, again. What walk am I not walking? spies8Cinnamyn: so how did u defending him help us.? spies8Cinnamyn: da exile wuz between 2 citz
spies8Jasmine: I agree with Cinnamyn. I think the way Broderick acts, is a way a spy might act. Nobody has ever suspected him. spies8Jasmine: So what else would give a spy more of an ego spies8Jasmine: then he has right now? spies8Jasmine: he feels invincible. spies8Broderick: I don't have an ego Jasmine. spies8Jasmine: yes u do.
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Round 9
Aug 3, 2010 10:17:41 GMT -6
Post by Awohali on Aug 3, 2010 10:17:41 GMT -6
Awohali, if all your investigatin, alll your questionin y all your studyin pointed to Jenny as the #1 spy en the game, then you no do all that ENOUGH - which is what I say en my post. Y you ain't disprovin the rest of what I say. All that still true. My spy guesses for this round: Broderick, Kiara, Owen, Rondak, Mary Edit: I forget Mary en the game2nd edit: I be okay wit namin 5 spies. Accordin to my hypergeometric distribution calculation the probability of namin all 4 spies in a sample set of 5 es P(X=4) = 0.00699Jenny did not give anyone any reason to believe that she was not a Spy. She did, however, give many people many reasons to believe that she was a Spy. How you could possibly wish to blame anyone other than Jenny herself is beyond me. Jenny did not answers questions directly. The burden of proof is on her. When she gives roundabout answers for specific questions, it reflects poorly on her and leads to more distrust. I can not answer questions for her, therefore I fail to see how I did not do enough. I did my job. She failed miserably in defending herself. I stayed on her because of that.
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Nita
Nita
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Round 9
Aug 3, 2010 11:42:26 GMT -6
Post by Nita on Aug 3, 2010 11:42:26 GMT -6
Sidetrackin:
I no understand this:
If Kiara nominate Chance y Claude vote Chance in round 7, Chance's power es activiated y he can give out exile immunity.
If Chance really no believe Jenny es a spy like he keep sayin, why he no give Jenny exile immunity for round 8?
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Tina
Tina
I found Fifi
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Round 9
Aug 3, 2010 14:50:10 GMT -6
Post by Tina on Aug 3, 2010 14:50:10 GMT -6
It still was a poor idea due, as if Jenny as a cit it would deal a massive blow to the citizens.
Now the CORRECT move I still say was lynching Jenny, you always lynch the cops guilty in that type of a scenario. However if they did lynch the cops guilty, they would have seen her as cit, and done nothing last episode as they have a "confirmed spy" in you. Instead they lynch you and have a "practically confirmed spy" in Jenny.
As you two were both cits, it was a big hit to the cits as it encouraged apathy of spyhunting, and any that was done was done in the wrong places (as everyone assumed Jenny as a spy).
It was a gamble, but one that if wrong would deal far far more damage then the good it would do if it was correct. Fakeclaiming as a cit is a horrible move 99% of the time. I have plenty of experience in this game and have seen it done well once, maybe twice. One of those times was thanks to an idiot scum member who missed the obvious explaination for what happened.
Interesting gamble, but I still say it was a poor one.
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Nita
Nita
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Round 9
Aug 3, 2010 15:12:01 GMT -6
Post by Nita on Aug 3, 2010 15:12:01 GMT -6
Jenny did not give anyone any reason to believe that she was not a Spy. She did, however, give many people many reasons to believe that she was a Spy. How you could possibly wish to blame anyone other than Jenny herself is beyond me. Jenny did not answers questions directly. The burden of proof is on her. When she gives roundabout answers for specific questions, it reflects poorly on her and leads to more distrust. I can not answer questions for her, therefore I fail to see how I did not do enough. I did my job. She failed miserably in defending herself. I stayed on her because of that. Awohali, I also gonna argue you suck for gettin misexiled in the first place. Y you suck for bein hypocritical bout it. Everythin you say bout Jenny apply to you too, since the burg suspicious enough of YOU to exile you without anyone claimin they got an investigation. Would the burg have misexiled Jenny without your help? Maybe but we ain't never gonna know. You definitely responsible for two misexiles - Jenny's y your own. So I gonna say you ain't true you do your job Awohali. No misunderstand me: 1. I ain't a citizen, so what you do no affect my game - I ain't mad at you for messin up because what you do no affect me 2. I like you as a person, so I ain't attackin you personally 3. I talkin bout how you play the game y what you do. You make big mistake, denyin it, y now bein hypocritical bout that, y I ain't the type to let that slide.
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Savannah
Savannah
Sweet as a cupcake (yum!)
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Round 9
Aug 3, 2010 15:18:37 GMT -6
Post by Savannah on Aug 3, 2010 15:18:37 GMT -6
Hey, Awohali made a mistake, but let's not bash him over it. Both parties are at fault in this situation, Awohali may have made a bad move but honestly you have to do what you have to do. We make mistakes...Jenny really did nothing in her favor to stop it. If anything she even stopped doing what she had been doing at all this round...which I'm not really sure why, but c'est la vie.
The point is there are still 4 spies out there and I'm sure we would be just as terrible at finding them the way we're all acting.
Now. In other news. I hope Jazzy gets her vote back.
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Nita
Nita
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Round 9
Aug 3, 2010 15:32:58 GMT -6
Post by Nita on Aug 3, 2010 15:32:58 GMT -6
1. I ain't bashin nobody. Sayin "you suck" y puttin up a smiley wit its tongue out ain't bashin. 2. We - collectively - are discussin what Awohali do y how things play out. This forum es for discussin the game, no? 3. I ain't gonna let nobody sit there y be like "Nita you so self-righteous y you ain't got a clue what you talkin bout". I got a right to express my opinions y observations
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Round 9
Aug 3, 2010 16:34:20 GMT -6
Post by Jenny on Aug 3, 2010 16:34:20 GMT -6
Hey there guys, just posting in here since it looks like the latest topic for general discussion. I'm still going through all the old stuff, and probably comment here and there along the way, just letting you know I'm here for now. Also, on behalf of several people that wanted me to do so when I came up cit. *smacks awohali with a sledgehammer* Haven't gotten around to making an extra account yet, so I'm just on my spies account as invisible for the time being if you want to say hi.
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Cory
Cory
Hot Because He's Fly
Posts: 127
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Round 9
Aug 3, 2010 17:25:20 GMT -6
Post by Cory on Aug 3, 2010 17:25:20 GMT -6
We're fucked.
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Nita
Nita
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Round 9
Aug 3, 2010 17:28:46 GMT -6
Post by Nita on Aug 3, 2010 17:28:46 GMT -6
Maybe, maybe no. Cinnamyn seem to be on the right track.
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Round 9
Aug 3, 2010 18:15:56 GMT -6
Post by Awohali on Aug 3, 2010 18:15:56 GMT -6
It still was a poor idea due, as if Jenny as a cit it would deal a massive blow to the citizens. If she was Spy Hunting, I would be inclined to agree here. However, she was not, so I can not see how it is much of a blow at all. I agree. This is what I wanted to have happen, for obvious reasons. Jenny was highly likely to go anyway, after I flipped Citizen. I simply helped the process hurry up so that people could move on and focus on other Spy targets. Awohali, I also gonna argue you suck for gettin misexiled in the first place. Y you suck for bein hypocritical bout it. Everythin you say bout Jenny apply to you too, since the burg suspicious enough of YOU to exile you without anyone claimin they got an investigation. That is extremely amusing, Nita, for you have no idea of what you speak. I refuted every argument against me. The cases against me were atrocious, and many people in the game who actually know what they are talking about agreed that they were bad cases. I refuted them and was met with "Well, I still am voting for you". Rondak, in fact, voted for me based on nothing, according to his own words. There is a vast difference. Almost certainly. If you actually believe that I am responsible for my own misexile, then you should really reread the cases posted on me. I can not be hypocritical when I actually defended myself with direct responses that directly argued against what was being claimed of me while claiming that Jenny did not offer direct defenses and often did not answer questions. Also, on behalf of several people that wanted me to do so when I came up cit. *smacks awohali with a sledgehammer* I did what I felt I needed to do. When it comes down to myself or one of my top suspects, I choose to fight for my own benefit.
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Nita
Nita
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Round 9
Aug 3, 2010 21:50:37 GMT -6
Post by Nita on Aug 3, 2010 21:50:37 GMT -6
Awohali, you too focused on the small picture. You just lookin at what happen round 8.
I bet you one reason you get exiled es you no talk enough to people. You say it yourself wit your fake role: spies8Awohali: The other person must IM me first. It is why throughout most of the game, I have not initiated conversations unless it was important
I bet another es the lack of real good posts you make after your Countdown (where all 3 of your cases be on cits by the way, but at least then you try).
I bet another es how you perceived as someone who ain't spyhuntin y talkin to suspects
All that add up.
Then you look at what you do the round you exiled:
You no give good responses to what Cinnamyn bring up against you. Even wit her strange language (LOL, como yo) her post way easier to read than yours. I know what she talkin about because she communicate clearly. Your replies, so boring I wasn't able to read them through.
You no make a good case against someone else. If you suspected Jenny then you should have shouted it from the rooftops y gathered new evidence stead of sittin back y making some small posts here y there.
Si, I think you responsible for your misexile. I think everybody es responsible for their own misexiles. You ain't special, you ain't no exception.
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Round 9
Aug 3, 2010 22:31:02 GMT -6
Post by Awohali on Aug 3, 2010 22:31:02 GMT -6
Awohali, you too focused on the small picture. You just lookin at what happen round 8. Incorrect. Jenny had people voting for her and suspicious of her virtually every single round of the game. That is, in fact, one of the main reasons that I felt she would certainly be gone at some point regardless. She never really had a period of time at which she was not a high suspect on multiple people's lists. Incorrect redux. That episode I did in fact message more or less everyone in attempt to switch things around, and I discuss a great deal of things in the chat room with everyone that is online. If they do not come to the chat room, such as in Owen's case, I wind up seeking them out. Note the condition at the end of that quote. "Unless it was important"Not hardly anyone has posted many substantial posts in the Burg, but you are, of course, wrong for a third time here, for I posted many cases in Episode three, and also made responses to several other cases directed at me or others throughout the other episodes. Not a single person I have talked to has perceived me as such. I assume you get this idea from the single Critique that mentions it. I remind you that a Spy could have just as easily written that, for no citizen came forward to claim it when I called for it. I gave a very thorough initial response post and I discussed the rest with her in the public chat room. I did exactly this. In AIM, which unfortunately viewers do not always have the ability to see. I respectfully disagree, given that no good case was ever posted on me. Had a legitimate argument been made, I would agree that it is my own fault, but I can not argue against "I am voting for you anyway" or "I am voting for you not based on anything in game".
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Cory
Cory
Hot Because He's Fly
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Post by Cory on Aug 4, 2010 0:20:51 GMT -6
Lawrence's propaganda is the best.
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Post by Lilith on Aug 4, 2010 0:36:04 GMT -6
Perhaps your self-righteousness would be better spent on something of which you actually have a clue about. Fuck off for a second. I am the one that can Nita she is "too self-righteous" (although I wouldn't use that term). Regardless, picking on Nita is my duty, not yours. And as a matter of fact, you have no right to pick on Nita, as what have you done all game? Make obvious statements and seem like a dumbass? Mmmk. Point and Case: I am the one that says when Nita is being too cocky. But right now, she is dead on (and I admit, she can be at times). She has a lot more use than you did Awohali. I agree with her suggested statement. Worst move of the game Awohali, and the pathetic part, is it was see-through. Anyone with half a brain could have told you were making it up. Unfortunately, the spies took advantage of this. Jenny did not give anyone any reason to believe that she was not a Spy. Bullshit. I didn't believe she was a spy. Suck on that. DISCLAIMER: I am extremely drunk and will apologize when I am sober. Although I do still think Awohali is a dumbass and Nita is 100 times better than he could ever be. DISCLAIMER 2: I am not in a relationship, not have ever been, with either Awohali or Nita.
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Post by Gabriel on Aug 4, 2010 2:42:05 GMT -6
By the by, Awo. We're like 2 mislynches away from losing.
Thaaaanks.
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Round 9
Aug 4, 2010 14:04:41 GMT -6
Post by Awohali on Aug 4, 2010 14:04:41 GMT -6
Fuck off for a second. I am the one that can Nita she is "too self-righteous" (although I wouldn't use that term). Regardless, picking on Nita is my duty, not yours. And as a matter of fact, you have no right to pick on Nita, as what have you done all game? Make obvious statements and seem like a dumbass? Mmmk. Point and Case: I am the one that says when Nita is being too cocky. But right now, she is dead on (and I admit, she can be at times). She has a lot more use than you did Awohali. I agree with her suggested statement. Worst move of the game Awohali, and the pathetic part, is it was see-through. Anyone with half a brain could have told you were making it up. Unfortunately, the spies took advantage of this. How charming. What have I done? I have played the game the way it is meant to be played. I was an active and interested participant, which was my duty. I think perhaps you should calm down, young lady. If you believe it is the worst move of the game, then that is your incorrect opinion. Though it is no surprise that you could tell that I was making it up, if those with half a brain are the ones able to do so. Suck on what, your inability to read? I did not say that there was not anyone that did not believe Jenny to be a Spy, I said that she did not specifically do anything to make people believe she is not a Spy. There is a vast difference. Well at least this humorous miscalculation has already been explained. By the by, Awo. We're like 2 mislynches away from losing. Thaaaanks. I was not aware that I cast all of the votes during an episode in which I was not even in the game, but you are quite welcome.
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Tina
Tina
I found Fifi
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Round 9
Aug 4, 2010 17:09:09 GMT -6
Post by Tina on Aug 4, 2010 17:09:09 GMT -6
It still was a poor idea due, as if Jenny as a cit it would deal a massive blow to the citizens. If she was Spy Hunting, I would be inclined to agree here. However, she was not, so I can not see how it is much of a blow at all. Lets say Jenny was exiled first. Everyone would have you as confirmed spy, which would perpetuate two things. First, no one would do much spy hunting because they have caught a "spy". Classic mafia scenario, scum fakeclaims cop to live, proven wrong, lynched next. So everyone slacks off for an episode. Next, if people DID scumhunt, it would be with the knowledge that you were scum, so everything would be misconstruded after your flip so be a massive signal to noise ratio, again just causing town to self destruct. Jenny-cit going first led to cit problems through lazyness, or by following the wrong path. Too big of a gamble to me. I only really like to take a risk as scum, since it is more manageable if someone bad happens. Town it is much easier to almost lose the game beacuse of it. ~~~~~~~ Few thoughts on non-claim stuff. Claude again is making me think he is scum on a few levels, lets not bring up votecount thing again, Claude is absolutely annoying enough to look like someone who will bus on a moments notice. Isaac voting him because of his role is the biggest point to him being town. One thing that bugs me about his role though is the fact that it is the third manipulation role (masons) and is actually the only "themed" role in the game. Every other role is something generic. His is not. The fakeclaim, was, like what may be the Claude fakeclaim. I think Kiara is still town, just needs to step up. Not sure what to make of Rondak and Claude with their comments. Both from very early in the game were convinced that Reps had all the spies. I think if either are spies, Dems had more spies to start. I think Steph gains cit-points again for the "lets look for bussers" comment. It has now been proven that counterwagons were built of town players, so any spies on the Alexei wagon would have been under fire from her. Either steph is lone original rep spy (mayyyyyybe Rondak too) or is town.
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Round 9
Aug 4, 2010 21:08:12 GMT -6
Post by Gabriel on Aug 4, 2010 21:08:12 GMT -6
Holy hell Mary just stepped up to the plate.
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Savannah
Savannah
Sweet as a cupcake (yum!)
Posts: 111
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Round 9
Aug 4, 2010 21:37:28 GMT -6
Post by Savannah on Aug 4, 2010 21:37:28 GMT -6
Hello Broderick. I must admit I forgot you were playing at times...um...pretty much most of the time actually. But hi! Oh and that Imprisonment story should go to show that people that don't know how to bake should stay out of the kitchen. So much for a perfectly ruined cake.
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Tina
Tina
I found Fifi
Posts: 7
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Round 9
Aug 4, 2010 21:45:16 GMT -6
Post by Tina on Aug 4, 2010 21:45:16 GMT -6
Brod you loveable(?) twatwaffle! Nice to see you again. Sorry for yelling at that one point, and sorta suspecting you throughout most of the game. Glad I went before now given that my internet blew up and I have to use roving unprotected connections.
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Round 9
Aug 4, 2010 21:46:45 GMT -6
Post by Awohali on Aug 4, 2010 21:46:45 GMT -6
Lets say Jenny was exiled first. Everyone would have you as confirmed spy, which would perpetuate two things. First, no one would do much spy hunting because they have caught a "spy". Classic mafia scenario, scum fakeclaims cop to live, proven wrong, lynched next. So everyone slacks off for an episode. Incorrect. I would have argued that I had legitimate reasons as a Citizen to do so (Again, when it comes down to myself and my top Spy suspect, I am going to do literally anything possible to get the other person out over me) and those who refused to listen to anything and immediately jumped aboard my bandwagon without any reasons whatsoever would look terrible for it. The same thing very well may have happened through Jasmine in the current situation. My actions still have the very real potential of pointing out a Spy to the Burg. And their laziness is my fault? No. In my eyes, attempting to save myself and get rid of my top suspect is an easy decision. Those who were "lazy" with the Jenny Exile may very well be Spies.
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