Case on Rondak

[Mary]

Rondak

1. Vote history

Rondak was 5th on the Alexei wagon, but claimed to have had his own reasons for voting Alexei BEFORE Tina and Nita:
spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=burg&thread=884&post=4918

Jul 6, 2010 20:38:05 GMT -6 Bizarrondak said:

I had my own reasons for the Alexei vote before the Nita/Tina.

If you have any conversations/logs to prove me wrong here, I'd really appreciate it. One of us is obviously lying.

I've never seen evidence in a group chat or otherwise of Rondak expressing a suspicion of Alexei before the Tina/Nita case, let alone trying to press the case. What did happen is that Tina and Nita made a case, then right after Hambone and Dane fought and Dane logged, then Rondak suddenly revealed evidence on Alexei he found odd but never previously mentioned.


Episode 4, Rondak voted Jenny and stated it was a clear-cut vote for him:

spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=burg&thread=931&post=5042

Jul 7, 2010 17:55:37 GMT -6 Bizarrondak said:

My vote was for Jenny. She was consistently my top suspect and I never wavered.

After nominating on the 7th, he missed group chats on the 8th, missed Exile on the 9th, missed all episode 5 group chats, and was replaced. Interestingly, his replacement found this justification for dropping a vote on Chance:

spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=burg&thread=1156&post=6660

Jul 18, 2010 15:15:42 GMT -6 Bizarrondak said:

This time, I'll nominate solely based on my past self's diary.

But how could his past self have posted about strong suspicions of Chance if his past self's case on Jenny was clear-cut? There was no time in the interim for posts about a change of heart.


Episode 7, Rondak gave me a list of suspects:

[14:58] spies8mary: Who are the four spies?
[15:02] spies8rondak: If I had to pick with just gut feeling...
[15:03] spies8rondak: I would say
[15:03] spies8rondak: Chance, Claude, Jenny and Gertrude

I told him my list, which included Cinnamyn. Moments later, he told group chat he was voting for Cinnamyn.

He ended up voting Awohali.

Rondak's stated top suspects were Jenny, Chance, Gertrude and Cinnamyn, who were all voting Awohali. That might clue a Cit in that Awohali might be a bad vote, but Rondak took no notice. Why did he vote alongside all his top "suspects"?


Episode 9:

Cinnamyn has never made a case on Rondak. When I ask her for her #1 Spy read all game, she bizarrely states:

Cinnamyn, who is the remaining player you've had the most consistent Spy read on for this entire game?

rondak. while not a main suspishin, he haz alwayz been in da back of my mind bcuz of hiz obvious bandwagoning and naivete.

Distancing.


Hambone states that Rondak is an "easy vote" but still votes him when it's clear Cinnamyn is going. Lawrence states he believes Rondak is a Cit but gives no real reasons.


Episode 10:

Hambone again states Rondak is too much of an "easy vote". Jasmine strongly defends Rondak with no reasons.

Tomorrow: who's made efforts to assess Rondak and who's let him float.

I'm sleepy and too tired to proofread this. I apologize if it's messy or poorly reasoned. I'll try to post more of my thoughts tomorrow.

[Hambone]

EXCUSE ME, AGAIN!!!

CAN YOU GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL that I Have been saying THIS all game!!! It's not something I DID once a Spy was getting the boot!!! Believe me I wish I voted for Cinamon last week, but I cannot say the same about you. Anyone who wastes their vote like that is just a piece of garbage, Mary.

Are you SPIES trying to make me the final lynch in the game??? Out of nowhere, LITERALLY, all this Hambone suspicion is just appearing from out of the freaking walls. I'm sure the spies are going "shit shit we got nothing on Hambone!!! GUYS THINK THINK!! THINK!!!!"

Also, Mary, wtf is this......

"What did happen is that Tina and Nita made a case, then right after Hambone and Dane fought and Dane logged, then Rondak suddenly revealed evidence on Alexei he found odd but never previously mentioned."

Are you trying to point something at me here AGAIN by mentioning my name???

this is some booolshit, im gonna be the final lynch

[Mary]

That's a fascinating study in narcissism, Hambone.

So what do you think about the Rondak evidence?

[Hambone]

I think that this part is absolutely amazing in particular....

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Episode 7, Rondak gave me a list of suspects:

[14:58] spies8mary: Who are the four spies?
[15:02] spies8rondak: If I had to pick with just gut feeling...
[15:03] spies8rondak: I would say
[15:03] spies8rondak: Chance, Claude, Jenny and Gertrude

I told him my list, which included Cinnamyn. Moments later, he told group chat he was voting for Cinnamyn.

He ended up voting Awohali.

Rondak's stated top suspects were Jenny, Chance, Gertrude and Cinnamyn, who were all voting Awohali. That might clue a Cit in that Awohali might be a bad vote, but Rondak took no notice. Why did he vote alongside all his top "suspects"?

[Owen]

On Rondak/Alexei:

Rondak did seem like he was on board the Alexei wagon pretty early, albeit for a pretty odd reason...

This was the 18th, the night before the case on Alexei was posted:

(9:24:07 PM) spies8owen: Alexei seemed suspect to me, but from what I've heard from others today, nobody really seems to agree.
(9:24:15 PM) spies8rondak: Actually, I completely agree.
(9:24:31 PM) spies8owen: 1) Putting the spotlight on Gabe right after being asked about it.
(9:24:56 PM) spies8rondak: And, I do have something to ask you, regarding if it was suspicious or not, concerning Alexei.
(9:25:02 PM) spies8owen: 2) Fence riding - saying that he believes Zed, but he's sketchy. Afraid to rock the boat?

(9:26:13 PM) spies8rondak: We were discussing the Zed situation, and, at that time, I did not realize there was a difference between roles and alignments.
(9:26:31 PM) spies8rondak: And he told me that "he wasn't sure if he online when roles were given out."
(9:27:01 PM) spies8rondak: And I replied "Oh, aren't they the same?" And he said "Not necessairly. There might be in this, I'm not sure."
(9:27:26 PM) spies8rondak: But if he knew that roles were seperate from alignments, and they were given out, wouldn't he know that they were different?

Aside from Tina, Rondak was the only person I recall talking to that day that agreed with my suspicion on Alexei. Nita I hadn't talked to until after the case was up. He seemed to be on board, but his whole theory seemed odd. I attributed it to him being new and thinking outside the box.

The rest is pretty convincing. There's a lot of shiftiness there.

[Owen]

Also, he pushes his odd Alexei theory here in the chat. Plenty of Alexei interactions in there:

spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=burg&thread=785&page=1#1335

[Bizarrondak]

OK, on my defense:

*I cannot account for ARondak's actions...so take it however you want

*My choice to nom Chance was based on gut, because I perceived he was being scummy (I blame it on his role)

*My shiftiness, I blame my n00bness, and my vote being swayed by Cinn's case against Awohali (and Awohali being aggressive at me)

*Jenny vote, you really can't blame it on me if only Chance didn't go for the lynch

*The timing of my cases and defenses. My explanation: RL, take it or leave it. But, I DID NOT PLAGIARIZE!

I know these sound to be more excuses than explanations...but whatever.

[Jasmine]

Mary. Do you still think Rpndak is a spy?

[Mary]

The odds of the top three recent suspects being all Spies is pretty slim. You'd think the Spies would have made an attempt to push out at least one Citizen in the last two episodes. In which case, the only other major push I've seen has been on Rondak. That's a pretty big point in his favor.

I think that other than the above fact, he's still been a legitimate Spy suspect for legitimate reasons. At this point, it makes more sense to see who's been pushing his exile and for what reasons.

[Hambone]

Well he almost voted for me last week Mary, so does that mean you suspect me Are you trying to push for me or somethin???