Case on Dane

[Dane]

Since almost everyone has me in their spy team, I'll just wait for one of you to post the case on me here Lawrence and Mary are the only ones that have tried to come up with something, and while Mary's has one real point and one misunderstanding of a situation she wasn't there for, and lawrence's reason for voting me previously has already been exposed as a half-lie, I'm interested in hearing from the rest of you.

[Lawrence]

and lawrence's reason for voting me previously has already been exposed as a half-lie

This is a lie.

I voted you when I replaced in because of a gut read developed in one of the first chats I had with you and your nomination of Rondak as an alternative to Magalie in a previous episode. Because I was suspicious of you at that time, I was not suspicious of Rondak, for obvious logical reasons.

Now I suspect you for continuing to go for the policy lynch while not commenting on the major points of discussion of the episode (Cinnamyn, Claude). This further leads me to believe Rondak is a Citizen, especially when Cinnamyn is now pushing for him as well.

[Dane]

This is not a lie, and now you are trying to cover it up.

You said last night at that time you suspected me for 2 reasons: specifically: 1. I nominated rondak instead of magalie. 2. You got a gut read because of your OWN misinterpretations of what I said that no one else had trouble understanding. You are now trying to combine these two, but that is untruthful.

The half-lie part comes from the first reason.
You yourself acknowledged in last night's chat that both now and at that time, you had no read on Rondak, Citizen or spy. At that time, and now, I suspected Rondak. What you were never able to come up with last night was a reason you found me voting my suspect suspicious. You can't even say I was trying to keep Magalie from nominated, since it was already obvious that she was going up for nomination (and, as it has been explained to you by multiple people on multiple occasions, Magalie had gone druggy/lurky/inactive since the teams rejoined and I had never once gotten to have a conversation with her). So in otherwords: your reason for nominating/voting me was that I nominated someone I found suspicious and that you had no read on either way.

You also tried some obvious circular logic last night and a bit right now: you tried to say that rondak was citish because I nominated and vote for him, and you find me suspicious, and apparently you find me suspicious for suspecting him and finding HIM suspicious. That is some fail logic.

As for the rest of your post, there is enough discussion going on already about cinnamyn and claude, and I have answered questions asked to me about how I feel about them and other major players as recently as last night, so that is some UTTER BULLSHIT. Especially since some of the questions came from you yourself.

Of further note, apparently you don't believe in spies lurking to victory or bussing.

[Lawrence]

You yourself acknowledged in last night's chat that both now and at that time, you had no read on Rondak, Citizen or spy.

Misrepresentation. Let me get the exact quote.

(11:06:04 PM) spies8lawrence: There is nothing that Rondak has done that makes me believe he is a criminal or a Citizen.

I was commenting directly on Rondak's behavior. I agree with you, he is a lurker. However, the play of other people leads me to believe that he is not a criminal. By this I mean your pushing of him up against Magalie. Even if you "suspected" him, he was still nominated against a criminal. Because I had a gut read on you, it led me to believe that he was not a criminal (weaker read, but still there.)

What you were never able to come up with last night was a reason you found me voting my suspect suspicious.

Criminals feign suspicion of players . . . obviously none of their suspicions are genuine. Just because you claim to suspect someone does not mean it can't be a ploy by a criminal against an innocent.

You can't even say I was trying to keep Magalie from nominated, since it was already obvious that she was going up for nomination (and, as it has been explained to you by multiple people on multiple occasions, Magalie had gone druggy/lurky/inactive since the teams rejoined and I had never once gotten to have a conversation with her).

I've never tried to say that. I've said you presented an alternative option for the Senate to Exiling Magalie.

So in otherwords: your reason for nominating/voting me was that I nominated someone I found suspicious and that you had no read on either way.

Clearly not.

The circular logic is not what you are making it out to be, as answered by the rest of my post.

As for the rest of your post, there is enough discussion going on already about cinnamyn and claude, and I have answered questions asked to me about how I feel about them and other major players as recently as last night, so that is some UTTER BULLSHIT. Especially since some of the questions came from you yourself.

You said you weren't sure either way on Claude. Easy way to be able to take a criminal read if it looks like his going or an innocent read if he looks like he's not going.

I don't recall your answer on Cinnamyn, would you mind repeating it?

[Dane]

I agree with you, he is a lurker. However, the play of other people leads me to believe that he is not a criminal. By this I mean your pushing of him up against Magalie.

Lol, the same circular logic.

Criminals feign suspicion of players . . . obviously none of their suspicions are genuine. Just because you claim to suspect someone does not mean it can't be a ploy by a criminal against an innocent.

This doesn't answer the question whatsoever, the question being what is suspicious of a person voting their suspect.

You said you weren't sure either way on Claude. Easy way to be able to take a criminal read if it looks like his going or an innocent read if he looks like he's not going.

Lol, just like you and Rondak

I don't recall your answer on Cinnamyn, would you mind repeating it?

Look at my Spy List

[Hambone]

HOW HAVE I NOT MADE A CASE ON YOU -_____-

[Hambone]

Oh yeah, cuz you refused to answer it and you said that you'd "humor me" instead....

and then you blocked me on AIM

[Dane]

we went over your case of me in chat. And we all decided it was pretty ridiculous to assume that a spy would have been compelled to jump on a cit-started bandwagon on a cit that was already gaining enough speed without their help.

[Hambone]

You were the one who nominated him so you weren't jumping on anything, you were starting it. You pester me so much. WHy won't you respond to me on AIM.

[Lawrence]

This doesn't answer the question whatsoever, the question being what is suspicious of a person voting their suspect

Yes it does. I am suspicious because you nominated Rondak alongside Magalie. You are trying to justify it by saying "I was suspicious of him." Hence me saying criminals feign suspicion.

[Dane]

You still haven't said WHY it's suspicious for me to vote him!