Conversations, Round 3
Jun 27, 2010 21:20:36 GMT -6
Post by Nita on Jun 27, 2010 21:20:36 GMT -6
(6:41:06 PM) spies8Nita: Hola Jenny
(6:41:13 PM) spies8Nita: Es good to see you again, si?
(7:12:09 PM) spies8Jenny: Hi Ni-Ni!
(7:12:59 PM) spies8Jenny:
(8:05:18 PM) spies8Nita: I ain't believin that for 1 second
(8:05:27 PM) spies8Jenny: He could just be really stupid.
(8:05:40 PM) spies8Nita: He say he providin info? To the spies es who
(8:05:51 PM) spies8Nita: He no even wait to see if he gonna be a target
(8:06:02 PM) spies8Nita: Says he knew he got nothin to worry bout, the role claim would get him outta jail free
(8:06:31 PM) spies8Nita: Seems like a spy thing, since as a citizen he ain't really givin info in a useful way
(8:06:57 PM) spies8Jenny: Certainly possible. He might just be taking everything overly dramatically and serious too though, especially since he apparently doesn't like the roleplaying in the game.
(8:07:06 PM) spies8Jenny: And thinks everyone else will go the same way.
(8:12:04 PM) spies8Nita: You look at him y Allan
(8:12:08 PM) spies8Nita: See the differences?'
(8:12:15 PM) spies8Nita: One afraid to claim because then he get killed by the spies
(8:12:28 PM) spies8Nita: One claimin for no reason other than to "give the town info" but what info he givin?
(8:12:33 PM) spies8Nita: I think he lyin bout the reason
(8:25:52 PM) spies8Jenny: You've got to be kidding me.
(8:26:11 PM) spies8Nita: Bout what?
(8:26:14 PM) spies8Jenny: And I thought Stephi-kins reasons on Rondie were bad.
(8:26:29 PM) spies8Jenny: How he worded claude's roleclaim?
(8:26:30 PM) spies8Jenny: Really?
(8:27:13 PM) spies8Nita: Si
(8:27:19 PM) spies8Nita: I agre, bad reason
(8:41:54 PM) spies8Nita: You wanna see bad reason? Look what he just say
(8:41:58 PM) spies8Jenny: I noticed.
(8:42:05 PM) spies8Jenny: I just don't even know how to respond to that.
(8:42:27 PM) spies8Jenny: That's just a whole new level of dumb.
(8:44:24 PM) spies8Nita: I wish I could talk to Tina y show her this
(8:48:20 PM) spies8Nita: Rondak say he thinkin bout makin a case against you. Do not tell him I tell you this, si?
(8:48:30 PM) spies8Jenny: Okies.
(8:49:10 PM) spies8Nita: I worried you gonna be a target
(8:49:22 PM) spies8Nita: Cinnamyn, her questions seem to be at you too
(8:52:13 PM) spies8Nita: I misvote last round by the way
(8:52:40 PM) spies8Nita: My reasons be for Savannah but I write down Themba name instead
(8:52:59 PM) spies8Nita: No know how that happen, must have been confused or thinkin bout Themba after writin bout her
(8:53:53 PM) spies8Jenny: Okies, maybe you can tell me then. What in the world was the case even on Savanny anyways. I still don't know where in the world that came from.
(8:55:34 PM) spies8Nita: Savannah, what I see
(8:55:38 PM) spies8Jenny: As far as I could tell it was because she discussed suspects.
(8:55:43 PM) spies8Nita: She panic when votin deadline get close
(8:55:52 PM) spies8Nita: She accuse almost everybody in the game
(8:56:04 PM) spies8Jenny: When, the first exile?
(8:56:15 PM) spies8Nita: When I tell her my points on Alexei she no listen, say she gonna follow up but she never did
(8:56:19 PM) spies8Nita: Si, the first exile
(8:56:21 PM) spies8Nita: I no there the second
(8:57:35 PM) spies8Jenny: It was mostly about Zeddy though, he was making even more ridiculous statements, and the two of us were IM'ing each other going "You're kidding me right?" and she starts trying to point it out to people, and somehow she gets suspected over it.
(8:58:14 PM) spies8Nita: Si, but I no see Zedekiah make big mistakes
(8:58:25 PM) spies8Nita: I see him tryin to explain himself y Savannah sayin see, see, see, that be spylike
(8:58:35 PM) spies8Jenny: I was agreeing with her half the time!
(8:58:44 PM) spies8Jenny: It WAS ridiculous!
(8:59:07 PM) spies8Jenny: I was even cheering her on in private, because I thought it was finally getting across to people!
(8:59:16 PM) spies8Nita: What? That he watchin a movie y playin video games? How that ridiculous?
(8:59:28 PM) spies8Nita: Y he say hq?
(8:59:37 PM) spies8Nita: I think those dumb reasons to suspect someone
(9:02:15 PM) spies8Jenny: Here, before I start getting into it, let me look up the group chats again.
(9:15:28 PM) spies8Jenny: He vanishes for two hours right after the roles were being distributed, he explains it away by saying he couldn't figure out how to turn off AIM, an action which requires maybe bare minimum of knowledge about how to use a computer, while playing a game I know personally, and is not exactly one I would call a casual pick up and play game.
That sounded to me like he was covering up something and being ridiculous about it.
And then a few days later, we're discussing Lexi's case, and Zeddy comes in and makes a comment that is half coherant and has nothing to do with what we're even talking about. Savanny remarks on it, and also comments how she feels he hasn't been doing much of anything yet either, it looks like you commented on it as well for a little bit, Savanny asks about who his suspects are, Zeddy mentions Al, and is asked why. Zeddy says "he don't do squat, but he talks a lot in private" Savanny asks how he knows that Al talks a lot in private if he never sees him talk in the public chat and has yet to see him online, he remarks that he knows because other people have told him he's been on, and he says that he thinks he's only talking to other spies. That gets talked about a little bit, and Zeddy says that Al should at least post in the HQ. Myself, Savanny, Gabe-Gabe, Themby, along with Tina, and Owen a few minutes later all go "Wait what?" all of us instantly thinking he's refering to the Spy HQ.
Hammy comes in and talks about his topic. Tina remarks that Zeddy gave a different response to Gabe-Gabe about his vote then he did to Tina, And then we're pretty much done talking about Zeddy because the exile is starting.
(9:15:56 PM) spies8Jenny: Sorry bout the wall of text.
(9:16:46 PM) spies8Jenny: I just went through the whole thing again, I didn't really see her bring up anyone else at the time before the first exile.
(9:17:22 PM) spies8Nita: she do in private
(9:17:34 PM) spies8Nita: Again I read that y I no see nothin spylike bout Zedekiah
(9:18:02 PM) spies8Nita: So when Savannah talk bout that, I see her pushin a bad case
(9:19:31 PM) spies8Nita: In private she talk bout you, Themba, Dane, Gabriel, Zedekiah, y those the ones I know off the top of my head
(9:19:40 PM) spies8Nita: Never Stephanie o Alexei
(9:20:00 PM) spies8Jenny: Stephi didn't really come up as a subject until after the first exile.
(9:20:25 PM) spies8Nita: Si but durin that round when we talkin bout her, she no say she suspectin her or agreein with the suspicions
(9:20:40 PM) spies8Nita: So I'm seein Savannah not bein suspicious bout my other 2 big suspects
(9:20:46 PM) spies8Nita: Y goin after people I no suspect
(9:20:47 PM) spies8Jenny: You mean in the second episode then, or still during the first one?
(9:20:53 PM) spies8Nita: Also sayin she agree with goin after Alexei voters
(9:20:56 PM) spies8Nita: Second episode
(9:21:18 PM) spies8Jenny: Who were your two then?
(9:21:24 PM) spies8Nita: Alexei y Stephanie
(9:21:27 PM) spies8Jenny: I mean I know I was one, that's why you claimed to me in the first place.
(9:21:36 PM) spies8Nita: In round 1 Alexei
(9:21:41 PM) spies8Nita: En round 2 Stephanie
(9:21:41 PM) spies8Jenny: Wait, i thought you were talking about episode 2 there.
(9:21:44 PM) spies8Nita: I claim to you in between
(9:21:58 PM) spies8Jenny: Okies, I thought you were saying that at one time you had two main suspects.
(9:22:04 PM) spies8Jenny: And she didn't bring up either at that one time.
(9:22:06 PM) spies8Nita: I no know if I gonna vote Stephanie or Savannah en round 2
(9:22:29 PM) spies8Nita: Ended up writin Themba's name by accident, that real stupid
(9:22:39 PM) spies8Nita: I thought Sam make a mistake when I see the vote tally
(9:22:40 PM) spies8Jenny: I knew about her being suspicious of me, we had a talk about that too.
(9:22:50 PM) spies8Nita: Si
(9:22:58 PM) spies8Nita: You askin why Savannah suspicious
(9:23:00 PM) spies8Jenny: I think you were there for it actually.
(9:23:20 PM) spies8Nita: One reason bein, she never suspected Alexei, y another bein in round 2 when I tell her bout Stephanie she never suspect her either
(9:23:47 PM) spies8Nita: Make sense?
(9:23:59 PM) spies8Jenny: When did you two talk in round 2?
(9:24:17 PM) spies8Nita: Savannah y yo? A couple of times. Y some group chats
(9:24:32 PM) spies8Nita: Y you know when I talkin to her some instances cause I tell you she sayin she suspectin you
(9:24:57 PM) spies8Jenny: I'm just looking at a chat we had, and she was telling me she was deciding between myself and Stephi-kins for her vote that night.
(9:25:43 PM) spies8Nita: So she suspect Stephanie? She never said she agree with it
(9:27:00 PM) spies8Jenny: That was around 7:30 or so, about 4 or 5 hours before exile happened.
(9:29:21 PM) spies8Jenny: Well thanks for helping explain it a bit. I'll have to see if it was the same for others I guess, but from I could tell when i saw the case, it was that she talked about her suspicions at one point when asked about it.
(9:29:38 PM) spies8Nita: I sorry she was a citizen
(9:29:59 PM) spies8Nita: You ready to handle this round?
(9:31:02 PM) spies8Jenny: I really didn't want to have to post that roleclaim abotu Al, because I had a feeling it'd just turn into a bandwagon onto Savanny who I also didn't think was a spy, and I had talked with her most about the game, and we got along rather well, bounced ideas off each other well.
(9:31:12 PM) spies8Nita: Y that be what happened
(9:31:29 PM) spies8Nita: Which is why Cinnamyn be questionin you, si?
(9:31:39 PM) spies8Nita: If you think Allan a spy y no Savannah, why you no bring up nobody else?
(9:31:49 PM) spies8Jenny: Yeah she was curious about why i brought up the roleclaim at that point in time.
(9:32:59 PM) spies8Jenny: Like I think I told you before though, I just really hated thursday, because all of a sudden the exile looked to be on either Al, or Savanny, with a 3rd case in the background on Themby. None of which I felt were spies.
(9:33:26 PM) spies8Jenny: And everyone seemed fairly set with their vote when I talked about the exile with them.
(9:33:32 PM) spies8Nita: I agree with you on Themba, that be what I conclude in my post in Zedekiah thread
(9:33:58 PM) spies8Nita: But you knew if Allan claim people would switch
(9:34:10 PM) spies8Nita: I put Savannah out there because I hopin people switch to her, she was suspicious
(9:34:15 PM) spies8Nita: You no put nobody there
(9:34:20 PM) spies8Nita: You leave no option for switchin off Allan
(9:34:29 PM) spies8Nita: Y chica, I on your side
(9:34:30 PM) spies8Jenny: Well what exactly was I going to do, just let a potential town role that had claimed to me get himself exiled, and mention it after he was already dead?
(9:34:40 PM) spies8Nita: I ain't talkin bout the claim
(9:34:45 PM) spies8Nita: I talkin bout thinkin it through
(9:34:55 PM) spies8Nita: I sayin, I thought Allan gonna role claim
(9:35:02 PM) spies8Nita: Y when he do, I hopin votes switch onto Savannah
(9:35:07 PM) spies8Nita: I think about "what gonna happen next?"
(9:35:20 PM) spies8Jenny: And after the claim came out, I tried talking with a few people about going onto Stephi instead since she at least seemed suspicious, and I thought a few people were actually going to go with it, but in the end just about nobody did.
(9:35:37 PM) spies8Nita: You tell me you really suspectin Stephanie?
(9:35:46 PM) spies8Nita: You tell me you need to talk to her more I think
(9:35:50 PM) spies8Jenny: She's more suspicious to me then any of the other three were.
(9:36:18 PM) spies8Nita: Jenny you y I talk mucho y I no know that
(9:36:20 PM) spies8Jenny: If it was my choice, I would have put Zeddy up. But Stephi was the only case that was even remotely out there that I could agree with that had any chance of getting votes.
(9:36:30 PM) spies8Nita: You tellin me Kiara, Owen, Rondak, Stephanie y Zedekiah
(9:36:36 PM) spies8Nita: Cause you no talk to them much
(9:36:57 PM) spies8Nita: If I no even know who you votin for, how anyone else gonna switch to that person?
(9:37:06 PM) spies8Jenny: Rondie I've talked with a good amount, he just doesn't often say much game wise, which is why I brought him up.
(9:37:08 PM) spies8Nita: I talkin strategy now, not defendin what you did
(9:37:47 PM) spies8Jenny: He's actually one of the people I thought would swith to Stephi after the claim came out.
(9:37:57 PM) spies8Nita: My point bein, if you really think Savannah y Allan were inocente, you should have set up a good reason for people to switch to Stephanie. Comprende?
(9:38:24 PM) spies8Nita: Tina y yo would have supported a Stephanie exile y we no even know you hopin for one
(9:38:35 PM) spies8Jenny: Savanny had already been doing that, that's why I was even going with that case. Like I said, if it was up to me I would have said Zeddy.
(9:38:52 PM) spies8Nita: Si, but if Savannah, the alternate to Allan es pushin Stephanie, who gonna listen?
(9:39:10 PM) spies8Nita: Chica what I'm tryin to tell you is you gotta strategize
(9:39:20 PM) spies8Jenny: There were several people that were honestly considering it from when I talked with them.
(9:39:46 PM) spies8Nita: Well if people no switch to Stephanie then you gotta do better next time
(9:39:55 PM) spies8Nita: Here's what I'm seein for this round
(9:40:21 PM) spies8Nita: I'm seein Rondak makin his case on you. I'm seein Cinnamyn settin up reasons for you. I'm seein the spies joinin in
(9:40:35 PM) spies8Nita: Y I'm seein you goin "I don't got a suspect, I need to talk to people more"
(9:40:40 PM) spies8Nita: You see the problem?
(9:41:30 PM) spies8Nita: So you gotta strategize - how are you gonna get people to not suspect you, how you gonna handle them when they make cases against you, y who you gonna vote for?
(9:44:33 PM) spies8Nita: You ain't alone on this, I told you I'm your partner in this y I'll give you help or advice if you ask
(9:47:08 PM) spies8Jenny: Let them bring on a case, I have no problem talking with them about whatever concerns they might have. I don't get why people always act like having a case on themselves is the end of the world, or why some people make a case and then decide they're done for the day.
And it might be my fault for how I might have been wording it, but I ALWAYS want to hear more from people. I don't want a round to go by where everyone just makes up their mind and then sits on their behinds for a few days to see what happens. I'm not always saying I want to hear more from them because I'm not sure about something, I want to hear from them to see if anything new has come up.
I don't care if people suspect me, as long as they are willing to discuss why they have those suspicions and don't just go "Ok well that settles that, see you all in a week!"
As for how I figure out who I'm voting for, I never decide that for sure until it's about time for a decision to be made. I might put up a vote a little early if I think I won't be around for a while, but even then it's never finalized personally until the deadline comes. If something else comes up that proves something or disproves another thing, great, bring it up and we'll see what that means for everything.
(9:48:23 PM) spies8Nita: To your first paragraph: Ain't it better to prevent havin a case on you than to talk bout suspicions once they come up?
(9:48:53 PM) spies8Nita: That way you can do 100% findin spies instead of say 70% findin spies y 30% defense
(9:49:02 PM) spies8Nita: Y everyone can spend more time lookin at everyone else
(9:49:06 PM) spies8Jenny: If there is every anyone that never has a case on them the entire game, there has either been an investigation on them, or people aren't doing their jobs right.
(9:49:20 PM) spies8Nita: I ain't had a case on me this game
(9:49:30 PM) spies8Nita: I no think I'm gonna have one later either
(9:49:55 PM) spies8Nita: Why? Everybody sees me lookin for spies
(9:50:16 PM) spies8Nita: If you do your job right in the first place, no one gonna make a case on you
(9:50:59 PM) spies8Jenny: No, everyone sees that you were one of the first people to start a case that caught a spy. If it turned out Lexi was a cit, I doubt people would be as sure in general.
An investigation being needed might be overkill, but you know what I'm trying to say.
(9:51:20 PM) spies8Nita: No I ain't. I'm disagrein with you here.
(9:51:57 PM) spies8Nita: If this new group of 8 democrats sees you lookin for spies, you think they gonna vote you out fast?
(9:54:42 PM) spies8Jenny: I'm saying I don't care how much people might look like this or that. I want to see actual things they have done one way or the other.
If someone looks like they are spy hunting the whole game that's great, right up until people realize the last 6 people they've gone after haven't been spies. Then people will start looking at you.
If however that same person is spyhunting and has managed to get 4 out of 6 of them correct, they're going to look a bit better.
And even then, that might not mean much. I remember seeing a game even in the spies series that there was one spy who had gone and bussed every single one of his partners (I forget how many of them there were offhand) and tried to use that to get away as a cit when they were the last one still alive.
(9:56:15 PM) spies8Jenny: Will you get suspicious looks right now? I highly doubt it. Does that mean that you won't get any ever? Unless you're killed early, or something comes up that makes it nearly impossible to argue otherwise, i doubt that as well.
(9:56:48 PM) spies8Nita: So how that apply to you? How you gonna avoid bein exiled y lastin?
(9:57:11 PM) spies8Nita: Cause if you a spy, I need you to stay here to stop me from bein imprisoned. Y if you a citizen, you need to help your side by avoidin a misexile
(10:00:28 PM) spies8Jenny: If they honestly have suspicions about something I've done, and unless I play a perfect game, that's probably going to happen at some point or another, then hey, tell me what you find suspicious about what I've done, and I'll tell you why I did such and such.
When spice was talking to me earlier, she told me she was afraid she was coming off as a jerk with all the questions she was asking me about how the last exile went. I told her I didn't mind in the least, since she wasn't being rude about her questions, and they were questions I probably would have asked myself to someone if our positions were reversed.
(10:01:04 PM) spies8Nita: That's good that you ain't mad at her
(10:01:07 PM) spies8Nita: She askin legit questions
(10:01:33 PM) spies8Nita: But that ain't the point. You think you know what you doin though, so I'm gonna say good luck y let's see how things go
(10:05:40 PM) spies8Jenny: I appreciate that you're trying to help
That's just how I see this game really. Stuff happens, you get what information you can about why stuff happened, and you decide if things make sense, and how it fits together. That's why I always try to talk to everyone as soon as they come on. You never know if someone's realized something while they were getting ready for bed, or if someone's acting strangely, or hey, maybe two people are arguing with each other over something.
Find out what you can, put it all together and in the end what makes the most sense.
(10:06:16 PM) spies8Nita: So what you seein for this round, if we both get through imprisonment?
(10:08:06 PM) spies8Jenny: That depends on who gets imprisoned if anybody.
If we, by some miracle, get another doctor save, we can talk to Al and find out if he knows anything about it. If not, we know the doctor at least has another person confirmed, and that there are now three people that can work together.
If someone does get killed, we take what we know about them and fit it into what's going on. Past that, I don't really know what's going to happen yet. Things could easily change depending on who gets killed.
(11:08:51 PM) spies8Jenny: I think you might want to talk with Maggie. She seems to be confused about Stephi-kins being on our team, saying she has no idea what you're refering to then if she's not in the democrats right now.
(11:09:44 PM) spies8Nita: She ask me who my top suspect es
(11:09:45 PM) spies8Nita: I tell her
(11:09:48 PM) spies8Nita: She no ask "on this side"
(11:10:19 PM) spies8Jenny: Apparently she just told Spice that steph was one of her suspects, spice corrects her, and she flips out.
(11:10:34 PM) spies8Nita: She tell Cinnamyn "I suspect Stephanie"?
(11:10:47 PM) spies8Jenny: Well she told Spice that she suspected Spice and Steph.
(11:10:54 PM) spies8Jenny: spies8cinnamyn: (11:03:56 PM) so magalie who do u suspect.?
spies8magalie: (11:04:22 PM) I suspect you steph
(11:12:23 PM) spies8Nita: I laugh at that
(11:12:30 PM) spies8Nita: Ain't trustin her
(11:12:44 PM) spies8Jenny: From what I've been hearing, she isn't exactly the easiest to talk to either.
(6:41:13 PM) spies8Nita: Es good to see you again, si?
(7:12:09 PM) spies8Jenny: Hi Ni-Ni!
(7:12:59 PM) spies8Jenny:
(8:05:18 PM) spies8Nita: I ain't believin that for 1 second
(8:05:27 PM) spies8Jenny: He could just be really stupid.
(8:05:40 PM) spies8Nita: He say he providin info? To the spies es who
(8:05:51 PM) spies8Nita: He no even wait to see if he gonna be a target
(8:06:02 PM) spies8Nita: Says he knew he got nothin to worry bout, the role claim would get him outta jail free
(8:06:31 PM) spies8Nita: Seems like a spy thing, since as a citizen he ain't really givin info in a useful way
(8:06:57 PM) spies8Jenny: Certainly possible. He might just be taking everything overly dramatically and serious too though, especially since he apparently doesn't like the roleplaying in the game.
(8:07:06 PM) spies8Jenny: And thinks everyone else will go the same way.
(8:12:04 PM) spies8Nita: You look at him y Allan
(8:12:08 PM) spies8Nita: See the differences?'
(8:12:15 PM) spies8Nita: One afraid to claim because then he get killed by the spies
(8:12:28 PM) spies8Nita: One claimin for no reason other than to "give the town info" but what info he givin?
(8:12:33 PM) spies8Nita: I think he lyin bout the reason
(8:25:52 PM) spies8Jenny: You've got to be kidding me.
(8:26:11 PM) spies8Nita: Bout what?
(8:26:14 PM) spies8Jenny: And I thought Stephi-kins reasons on Rondie were bad.
(8:26:29 PM) spies8Jenny: How he worded claude's roleclaim?
(8:26:30 PM) spies8Jenny: Really?
(8:27:13 PM) spies8Nita: Si
(8:27:19 PM) spies8Nita: I agre, bad reason
(8:41:54 PM) spies8Nita: You wanna see bad reason? Look what he just say
(8:41:58 PM) spies8Jenny: I noticed.
(8:42:05 PM) spies8Jenny: I just don't even know how to respond to that.
(8:42:27 PM) spies8Jenny: That's just a whole new level of dumb.
(8:44:24 PM) spies8Nita: I wish I could talk to Tina y show her this
(8:48:20 PM) spies8Nita: Rondak say he thinkin bout makin a case against you. Do not tell him I tell you this, si?
(8:48:30 PM) spies8Jenny: Okies.
(8:49:10 PM) spies8Nita: I worried you gonna be a target
(8:49:22 PM) spies8Nita: Cinnamyn, her questions seem to be at you too
(8:52:13 PM) spies8Nita: I misvote last round by the way
(8:52:40 PM) spies8Nita: My reasons be for Savannah but I write down Themba name instead
(8:52:59 PM) spies8Nita: No know how that happen, must have been confused or thinkin bout Themba after writin bout her
(8:53:53 PM) spies8Jenny: Okies, maybe you can tell me then. What in the world was the case even on Savanny anyways. I still don't know where in the world that came from.
(8:55:34 PM) spies8Nita: Savannah, what I see
(8:55:38 PM) spies8Jenny: As far as I could tell it was because she discussed suspects.
(8:55:43 PM) spies8Nita: She panic when votin deadline get close
(8:55:52 PM) spies8Nita: She accuse almost everybody in the game
(8:56:04 PM) spies8Jenny: When, the first exile?
(8:56:15 PM) spies8Nita: When I tell her my points on Alexei she no listen, say she gonna follow up but she never did
(8:56:19 PM) spies8Nita: Si, the first exile
(8:56:21 PM) spies8Nita: I no there the second
(8:57:35 PM) spies8Jenny: It was mostly about Zeddy though, he was making even more ridiculous statements, and the two of us were IM'ing each other going "You're kidding me right?" and she starts trying to point it out to people, and somehow she gets suspected over it.
(8:58:14 PM) spies8Nita: Si, but I no see Zedekiah make big mistakes
(8:58:25 PM) spies8Nita: I see him tryin to explain himself y Savannah sayin see, see, see, that be spylike
(8:58:35 PM) spies8Jenny: I was agreeing with her half the time!
(8:58:44 PM) spies8Jenny: It WAS ridiculous!
(8:59:07 PM) spies8Jenny: I was even cheering her on in private, because I thought it was finally getting across to people!
(8:59:16 PM) spies8Nita: What? That he watchin a movie y playin video games? How that ridiculous?
(8:59:28 PM) spies8Nita: Y he say hq?
(8:59:37 PM) spies8Nita: I think those dumb reasons to suspect someone
(9:02:15 PM) spies8Jenny: Here, before I start getting into it, let me look up the group chats again.
(9:15:28 PM) spies8Jenny: He vanishes for two hours right after the roles were being distributed, he explains it away by saying he couldn't figure out how to turn off AIM, an action which requires maybe bare minimum of knowledge about how to use a computer, while playing a game I know personally, and is not exactly one I would call a casual pick up and play game.
That sounded to me like he was covering up something and being ridiculous about it.
And then a few days later, we're discussing Lexi's case, and Zeddy comes in and makes a comment that is half coherant and has nothing to do with what we're even talking about. Savanny remarks on it, and also comments how she feels he hasn't been doing much of anything yet either, it looks like you commented on it as well for a little bit, Savanny asks about who his suspects are, Zeddy mentions Al, and is asked why. Zeddy says "he don't do squat, but he talks a lot in private" Savanny asks how he knows that Al talks a lot in private if he never sees him talk in the public chat and has yet to see him online, he remarks that he knows because other people have told him he's been on, and he says that he thinks he's only talking to other spies. That gets talked about a little bit, and Zeddy says that Al should at least post in the HQ. Myself, Savanny, Gabe-Gabe, Themby, along with Tina, and Owen a few minutes later all go "Wait what?" all of us instantly thinking he's refering to the Spy HQ.
Hammy comes in and talks about his topic. Tina remarks that Zeddy gave a different response to Gabe-Gabe about his vote then he did to Tina, And then we're pretty much done talking about Zeddy because the exile is starting.
(9:15:56 PM) spies8Jenny: Sorry bout the wall of text.
(9:16:46 PM) spies8Jenny: I just went through the whole thing again, I didn't really see her bring up anyone else at the time before the first exile.
(9:17:22 PM) spies8Nita: she do in private
(9:17:34 PM) spies8Nita: Again I read that y I no see nothin spylike bout Zedekiah
(9:18:02 PM) spies8Nita: So when Savannah talk bout that, I see her pushin a bad case
(9:19:31 PM) spies8Nita: In private she talk bout you, Themba, Dane, Gabriel, Zedekiah, y those the ones I know off the top of my head
(9:19:40 PM) spies8Nita: Never Stephanie o Alexei
(9:20:00 PM) spies8Jenny: Stephi didn't really come up as a subject until after the first exile.
(9:20:25 PM) spies8Nita: Si but durin that round when we talkin bout her, she no say she suspectin her or agreein with the suspicions
(9:20:40 PM) spies8Nita: So I'm seein Savannah not bein suspicious bout my other 2 big suspects
(9:20:46 PM) spies8Nita: Y goin after people I no suspect
(9:20:47 PM) spies8Jenny: You mean in the second episode then, or still during the first one?
(9:20:53 PM) spies8Nita: Also sayin she agree with goin after Alexei voters
(9:20:56 PM) spies8Nita: Second episode
(9:21:18 PM) spies8Jenny: Who were your two then?
(9:21:24 PM) spies8Nita: Alexei y Stephanie
(9:21:27 PM) spies8Jenny: I mean I know I was one, that's why you claimed to me in the first place.
(9:21:36 PM) spies8Nita: In round 1 Alexei
(9:21:41 PM) spies8Nita: En round 2 Stephanie
(9:21:41 PM) spies8Jenny: Wait, i thought you were talking about episode 2 there.
(9:21:44 PM) spies8Nita: I claim to you in between
(9:21:58 PM) spies8Jenny: Okies, I thought you were saying that at one time you had two main suspects.
(9:22:04 PM) spies8Jenny: And she didn't bring up either at that one time.
(9:22:06 PM) spies8Nita: I no know if I gonna vote Stephanie or Savannah en round 2
(9:22:29 PM) spies8Nita: Ended up writin Themba's name by accident, that real stupid
(9:22:39 PM) spies8Nita: I thought Sam make a mistake when I see the vote tally
(9:22:40 PM) spies8Jenny: I knew about her being suspicious of me, we had a talk about that too.
(9:22:50 PM) spies8Nita: Si
(9:22:58 PM) spies8Nita: You askin why Savannah suspicious
(9:23:00 PM) spies8Jenny: I think you were there for it actually.
(9:23:20 PM) spies8Nita: One reason bein, she never suspected Alexei, y another bein in round 2 when I tell her bout Stephanie she never suspect her either
(9:23:47 PM) spies8Nita: Make sense?
(9:23:59 PM) spies8Jenny: When did you two talk in round 2?
(9:24:17 PM) spies8Nita: Savannah y yo? A couple of times. Y some group chats
(9:24:32 PM) spies8Nita: Y you know when I talkin to her some instances cause I tell you she sayin she suspectin you
(9:24:57 PM) spies8Jenny: I'm just looking at a chat we had, and she was telling me she was deciding between myself and Stephi-kins for her vote that night.
(9:25:43 PM) spies8Nita: So she suspect Stephanie? She never said she agree with it
(9:27:00 PM) spies8Jenny: That was around 7:30 or so, about 4 or 5 hours before exile happened.
(9:29:21 PM) spies8Jenny: Well thanks for helping explain it a bit. I'll have to see if it was the same for others I guess, but from I could tell when i saw the case, it was that she talked about her suspicions at one point when asked about it.
(9:29:38 PM) spies8Nita: I sorry she was a citizen
(9:29:59 PM) spies8Nita: You ready to handle this round?
(9:31:02 PM) spies8Jenny: I really didn't want to have to post that roleclaim abotu Al, because I had a feeling it'd just turn into a bandwagon onto Savanny who I also didn't think was a spy, and I had talked with her most about the game, and we got along rather well, bounced ideas off each other well.
(9:31:12 PM) spies8Nita: Y that be what happened
(9:31:29 PM) spies8Nita: Which is why Cinnamyn be questionin you, si?
(9:31:39 PM) spies8Nita: If you think Allan a spy y no Savannah, why you no bring up nobody else?
(9:31:49 PM) spies8Jenny: Yeah she was curious about why i brought up the roleclaim at that point in time.
(9:32:59 PM) spies8Jenny: Like I think I told you before though, I just really hated thursday, because all of a sudden the exile looked to be on either Al, or Savanny, with a 3rd case in the background on Themby. None of which I felt were spies.
(9:33:26 PM) spies8Jenny: And everyone seemed fairly set with their vote when I talked about the exile with them.
(9:33:32 PM) spies8Nita: I agree with you on Themba, that be what I conclude in my post in Zedekiah thread
(9:33:58 PM) spies8Nita: But you knew if Allan claim people would switch
(9:34:10 PM) spies8Nita: I put Savannah out there because I hopin people switch to her, she was suspicious
(9:34:15 PM) spies8Nita: You no put nobody there
(9:34:20 PM) spies8Nita: You leave no option for switchin off Allan
(9:34:29 PM) spies8Nita: Y chica, I on your side
(9:34:30 PM) spies8Jenny: Well what exactly was I going to do, just let a potential town role that had claimed to me get himself exiled, and mention it after he was already dead?
(9:34:40 PM) spies8Nita: I ain't talkin bout the claim
(9:34:45 PM) spies8Nita: I talkin bout thinkin it through
(9:34:55 PM) spies8Nita: I sayin, I thought Allan gonna role claim
(9:35:02 PM) spies8Nita: Y when he do, I hopin votes switch onto Savannah
(9:35:07 PM) spies8Nita: I think about "what gonna happen next?"
(9:35:20 PM) spies8Jenny: And after the claim came out, I tried talking with a few people about going onto Stephi instead since she at least seemed suspicious, and I thought a few people were actually going to go with it, but in the end just about nobody did.
(9:35:37 PM) spies8Nita: You tell me you really suspectin Stephanie?
(9:35:46 PM) spies8Nita: You tell me you need to talk to her more I think
(9:35:50 PM) spies8Jenny: She's more suspicious to me then any of the other three were.
(9:36:18 PM) spies8Nita: Jenny you y I talk mucho y I no know that
(9:36:20 PM) spies8Jenny: If it was my choice, I would have put Zeddy up. But Stephi was the only case that was even remotely out there that I could agree with that had any chance of getting votes.
(9:36:30 PM) spies8Nita: You tellin me Kiara, Owen, Rondak, Stephanie y Zedekiah
(9:36:36 PM) spies8Nita: Cause you no talk to them much
(9:36:57 PM) spies8Nita: If I no even know who you votin for, how anyone else gonna switch to that person?
(9:37:06 PM) spies8Jenny: Rondie I've talked with a good amount, he just doesn't often say much game wise, which is why I brought him up.
(9:37:08 PM) spies8Nita: I talkin strategy now, not defendin what you did
(9:37:47 PM) spies8Jenny: He's actually one of the people I thought would swith to Stephi after the claim came out.
(9:37:57 PM) spies8Nita: My point bein, if you really think Savannah y Allan were inocente, you should have set up a good reason for people to switch to Stephanie. Comprende?
(9:38:24 PM) spies8Nita: Tina y yo would have supported a Stephanie exile y we no even know you hopin for one
(9:38:35 PM) spies8Jenny: Savanny had already been doing that, that's why I was even going with that case. Like I said, if it was up to me I would have said Zeddy.
(9:38:52 PM) spies8Nita: Si, but if Savannah, the alternate to Allan es pushin Stephanie, who gonna listen?
(9:39:10 PM) spies8Nita: Chica what I'm tryin to tell you is you gotta strategize
(9:39:20 PM) spies8Jenny: There were several people that were honestly considering it from when I talked with them.
(9:39:46 PM) spies8Nita: Well if people no switch to Stephanie then you gotta do better next time
(9:39:55 PM) spies8Nita: Here's what I'm seein for this round
(9:40:21 PM) spies8Nita: I'm seein Rondak makin his case on you. I'm seein Cinnamyn settin up reasons for you. I'm seein the spies joinin in
(9:40:35 PM) spies8Nita: Y I'm seein you goin "I don't got a suspect, I need to talk to people more"
(9:40:40 PM) spies8Nita: You see the problem?
(9:41:30 PM) spies8Nita: So you gotta strategize - how are you gonna get people to not suspect you, how you gonna handle them when they make cases against you, y who you gonna vote for?
(9:44:33 PM) spies8Nita: You ain't alone on this, I told you I'm your partner in this y I'll give you help or advice if you ask
(9:47:08 PM) spies8Jenny: Let them bring on a case, I have no problem talking with them about whatever concerns they might have. I don't get why people always act like having a case on themselves is the end of the world, or why some people make a case and then decide they're done for the day.
And it might be my fault for how I might have been wording it, but I ALWAYS want to hear more from people. I don't want a round to go by where everyone just makes up their mind and then sits on their behinds for a few days to see what happens. I'm not always saying I want to hear more from them because I'm not sure about something, I want to hear from them to see if anything new has come up.
I don't care if people suspect me, as long as they are willing to discuss why they have those suspicions and don't just go "Ok well that settles that, see you all in a week!"
As for how I figure out who I'm voting for, I never decide that for sure until it's about time for a decision to be made. I might put up a vote a little early if I think I won't be around for a while, but even then it's never finalized personally until the deadline comes. If something else comes up that proves something or disproves another thing, great, bring it up and we'll see what that means for everything.
(9:48:23 PM) spies8Nita: To your first paragraph: Ain't it better to prevent havin a case on you than to talk bout suspicions once they come up?
(9:48:53 PM) spies8Nita: That way you can do 100% findin spies instead of say 70% findin spies y 30% defense
(9:49:02 PM) spies8Nita: Y everyone can spend more time lookin at everyone else
(9:49:06 PM) spies8Jenny: If there is every anyone that never has a case on them the entire game, there has either been an investigation on them, or people aren't doing their jobs right.
(9:49:20 PM) spies8Nita: I ain't had a case on me this game
(9:49:30 PM) spies8Nita: I no think I'm gonna have one later either
(9:49:55 PM) spies8Nita: Why? Everybody sees me lookin for spies
(9:50:16 PM) spies8Nita: If you do your job right in the first place, no one gonna make a case on you
(9:50:59 PM) spies8Jenny: No, everyone sees that you were one of the first people to start a case that caught a spy. If it turned out Lexi was a cit, I doubt people would be as sure in general.
An investigation being needed might be overkill, but you know what I'm trying to say.
(9:51:20 PM) spies8Nita: No I ain't. I'm disagrein with you here.
(9:51:57 PM) spies8Nita: If this new group of 8 democrats sees you lookin for spies, you think they gonna vote you out fast?
(9:54:42 PM) spies8Jenny: I'm saying I don't care how much people might look like this or that. I want to see actual things they have done one way or the other.
If someone looks like they are spy hunting the whole game that's great, right up until people realize the last 6 people they've gone after haven't been spies. Then people will start looking at you.
If however that same person is spyhunting and has managed to get 4 out of 6 of them correct, they're going to look a bit better.
And even then, that might not mean much. I remember seeing a game even in the spies series that there was one spy who had gone and bussed every single one of his partners (I forget how many of them there were offhand) and tried to use that to get away as a cit when they were the last one still alive.
(9:56:15 PM) spies8Jenny: Will you get suspicious looks right now? I highly doubt it. Does that mean that you won't get any ever? Unless you're killed early, or something comes up that makes it nearly impossible to argue otherwise, i doubt that as well.
(9:56:48 PM) spies8Nita: So how that apply to you? How you gonna avoid bein exiled y lastin?
(9:57:11 PM) spies8Nita: Cause if you a spy, I need you to stay here to stop me from bein imprisoned. Y if you a citizen, you need to help your side by avoidin a misexile
(10:00:28 PM) spies8Jenny: If they honestly have suspicions about something I've done, and unless I play a perfect game, that's probably going to happen at some point or another, then hey, tell me what you find suspicious about what I've done, and I'll tell you why I did such and such.
When spice was talking to me earlier, she told me she was afraid she was coming off as a jerk with all the questions she was asking me about how the last exile went. I told her I didn't mind in the least, since she wasn't being rude about her questions, and they were questions I probably would have asked myself to someone if our positions were reversed.
(10:01:04 PM) spies8Nita: That's good that you ain't mad at her
(10:01:07 PM) spies8Nita: She askin legit questions
(10:01:33 PM) spies8Nita: But that ain't the point. You think you know what you doin though, so I'm gonna say good luck y let's see how things go
(10:05:40 PM) spies8Jenny: I appreciate that you're trying to help
That's just how I see this game really. Stuff happens, you get what information you can about why stuff happened, and you decide if things make sense, and how it fits together. That's why I always try to talk to everyone as soon as they come on. You never know if someone's realized something while they were getting ready for bed, or if someone's acting strangely, or hey, maybe two people are arguing with each other over something.
Find out what you can, put it all together and in the end what makes the most sense.
(10:06:16 PM) spies8Nita: So what you seein for this round, if we both get through imprisonment?
(10:08:06 PM) spies8Jenny: That depends on who gets imprisoned if anybody.
If we, by some miracle, get another doctor save, we can talk to Al and find out if he knows anything about it. If not, we know the doctor at least has another person confirmed, and that there are now three people that can work together.
If someone does get killed, we take what we know about them and fit it into what's going on. Past that, I don't really know what's going to happen yet. Things could easily change depending on who gets killed.
(11:08:51 PM) spies8Jenny: I think you might want to talk with Maggie. She seems to be confused about Stephi-kins being on our team, saying she has no idea what you're refering to then if she's not in the democrats right now.
(11:09:44 PM) spies8Nita: She ask me who my top suspect es
(11:09:45 PM) spies8Nita: I tell her
(11:09:48 PM) spies8Nita: She no ask "on this side"
(11:10:19 PM) spies8Jenny: Apparently she just told Spice that steph was one of her suspects, spice corrects her, and she flips out.
(11:10:34 PM) spies8Nita: She tell Cinnamyn "I suspect Stephanie"?
(11:10:47 PM) spies8Jenny: Well she told Spice that she suspected Spice and Steph.
(11:10:54 PM) spies8Jenny: spies8cinnamyn: (11:03:56 PM) so magalie who do u suspect.?
spies8magalie: (11:04:22 PM) I suspect you steph
(11:12:23 PM) spies8Nita: I laugh at that
(11:12:30 PM) spies8Nita: Ain't trustin her
(11:12:44 PM) spies8Jenny: From what I've been hearing, she isn't exactly the easiest to talk to either.