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Jul 9, 2010 22:17:19 GMT -6
Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 9, 2010 22:17:19 GMT -6
claude, u wont lyke wut imma say 2 u. all of ur suspects iz omgus. u can say dey aint - but honey itz true. startin' wit camilla, who came after u, then u went 4 her. chance frum da very begginin'. den izaac, who took an earli stance against u. kiara expressed a dissenting opinion against u, n' lo n' behold now she iz 1 of ur suspects.
y wud 3 spiez all together vote 4 u.? i fail 2 c ur logic in y half of da current spiez wud have dun nominated you wen dey cud have ezily all gone on 2, 4 argumentz sake, 1 or 2 otha ppl n' knocked izaac out of da nominashin.
u menshin rondak az 1 of ur suspects. do u have n e reazinz 4 dis besidez da vote fog.?
in an earlier post, u sed dat broderick wuz in ur "second tier spy" category. in ur most recent post, u sed dat u were gettin' a cit read on him. wut changed in broderick dat bumped him 2 a cit.?
in mary's great idea thred, u sed 1 of gertie n' magalie wuz a spy. yet, at dis point u suspect both gertie n' somewhat magalie. do u still feel dat ur original assershin dat only 1 iz a spy 2 b correct.?
u claim dat chance's argumentz r "slimy". cud u elaborate on dis.? wut wud make 1's argumentz slimy.?
i luked thru all ur posts, n' most of dem say "i suspect chance, i've been saying so forever" but none of them point 2 y u think he iz a spy. i want 2 hear frum u 3 main reazinz y u think chance iz a spy, point blank. n' i dont want "look at da other thredz or chatz" az an answer.
u sed ur role claim wuz 2 "provide info". wut info haz cum about frum it.?
exile 3 u sed if u were a republican u wud have voted jazmine, based on her bein' blatantly unhelpful. were there n e other reazinz, or jus' dat.? do u still feel dat she iz blatantly unhelpful.? do u find sum1 lyke, say magalie, also 2 b blatantly unhelpful.?
in mary's great idea thred, at 3:15 u posted ur spiez n' didnt include magalie. an hour later, at 4:15, u nominated magalie. what changed.?
do u still think claude'z role iz a spy role.?
i found ur jumping on awohali in las' nites chat 2 b an obvious attempt 4 u 2 deflect attenshin off of urself. 4 completeness' sake, herez da porshin im talkin' bout:[00:48] spies8chance: Spies8Awohali 11:38 pm Agree to disagree, then. Jenny was my top pick this episode. spies8dane 11:38 pm again why Spies8Awohali 11:38 pm The information about Nita. [00:48] spies8dane: [00:48] spies8dane: mmmmmmmmmmm contradictions [00:48] Spies8Awohali: Your point is... What? [00:48] Spies8Awohali: No, not really. [00:49] spies8dane: you said you "never used it as primary evidence" [00:49] spies8chance: my point is that the above quote looks to me like your main reason for suspecting jenny is the nita information. [00:49] spies8dane: you used it as your primary evidence in here [00:49] spies8dane: thus [00:49] spies8dane: contradiction [00:49] spies8dane: [00:49] Spies8Awohali: No, you asked me why her isntead of Magalie THIS episode. [00:49] spies8dane: that was a prior question [00:49] spies8dane: I asked you [00:49] Spies8Awohali: Yes, and my answer was to that question. [00:49] spies8dane: why you suspected jenny [00:50] spies8dane: in general [00:50] Spies8Awohali: That is not what you asked. [00:50] spies8chance: okay, wait, what? [00:50] spies8dane: and right now you are backtracking so hard its funny [00:50] Spies8Awohali: What is funny is how thick your skull is to be unable to understand what is going on here. [00:50] spies8dane: rofl [00:50] spies8chance: hal. you said your main suspect was jenny and dane asked you why. [00:50] spies8chance: that seems pretty clear. therez more dat u can read if u missed it in da chat thred. dane aksed y awohali voted jenny dis round. awohali sed bcuz of da nita incident. dane n' chance den rip into him 4 wutever reazin wen it wuz pritty clear awohali jus' sed he suspected jenny dis round bcuz of nita, n' dat it wuznt hiz primary evidence. ur jumping on 2 him luked oddly familiar (alexei) n' it put up a red flag 4 me. can u explain ur behavior at dis point.? did u really think it wuz sumthin' of merit.?
gertie u have pritty much admitted 2 bandwagonin' da furst 2 episodez. which u did. wut i find strange iz dat u sed it wuz futile 2 vote 4 rondak exile 3 jus' bcuz u new he wuznt goin' 2 go. but wuznt it jus' az futile 2 pile ur vote on magalie.? wuts da difrence between lumpin' a vote on sum1 wit' a large majority already, den votin' 4 sum1 wit' no votez.?
i am concerned wit' ur tunnel vishin on jenny. 4 da las' 2 rounz u have commented about only jenny, ignorin' most importantly, izaac. y did u vote her exactly.? exile 3 u jus' sed "refer 2 awohali if u have queschinz", which iz shady in itself. exile 4 u provided no further reazining.
what haz happened 2 ur zedekiah suspishinz.? round 2 u promised a case on him, but it never surfaced. do u still suspect him, or wut.?
at points in da past, u have sed u found both claude n' chance 2 b suspishis. wut about now.?
u commented dat magaliez ackshinz were "probably emotion", but ended up voting her in exile 3. cud u explain y u voted based on sum1 u thot wuz jus' emoshinz.?
numerous tymez u have sed dat claudez role jus' has 2 absolutely b a spy role. yet las' nite, wen i told u claude came 2 me wit' hiz izaac suspishinz az soon as round 4 started, u immediately put him bhind other ppl:[00:12] spies8dane: stephanie, then chance, then jenny, then claude [00:12] spies8cinnamyn: claude last.?? [00:12] spies8dane: I didn't know he initially came to you with his suspicion on Isaac [00:12] spies8cinnamyn: so u think he iz a cit now.? [00:13] spies8dane: I still hate the way he used his role episode 2, but yeah i guess i am jus' confused by y u changed so quick jus' bcuz claude told me he suspected izaac.? |
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Jul 9, 2010 22:47:47 GMT -6
Post by Claude on Jul 9, 2010 22:47:47 GMT -6
I think that, like many people, you don't really understand what OMGUS means.
When someone expresses suspicion towards you in a way that is scummy, it is absolutely normal to become suspicious of them because of it. Chance's case on me was terrible. Isaac's bandwagonning it was also terrible. Kiara deciding to nominate me, despite knowing nothing about me except my role claim, compared to the FIVE people she expressed suspicion toward on her own side, was scummy, period.
I did not immediately grow suspicious of Isaac. He got on my wagon early in D1, and I didn't think anything of it. My suspicion of him grew over the next 2 days, when he contributed nothing, instead just taking pot shots at me. This obviously culminated D3, with his Themba/Jasmine bit. That had nothing to do with me, but was absolutely the penultimate point against him. A point that you defended my making, so..yeah.
I'm suspicious of Rondak too, and he has never said a thing about me that I recall.
OMGUS is when someone attacks you, and you just try to make them look bad. There is a difference between that and what is going on here. When people attack you in a scummy fashion, obviously you are going to be suspicious of them because of it.
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Jul 9, 2010 22:52:54 GMT -6
Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 9, 2010 22:52:54 GMT -6
OMGUS stands for "Oh my God! You Suck!"
An OMGUS vote means a player vote another player simply because that player voted him - a vote back.
feel free 2 replace OMGUS wit n e other phrase dat u feel meanz "dis persun suspects me so imma suspect dem back". whether dis iz ur intenshin or not, it wuz a trend dat iz noticeable and itz offputting.
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Jul 9, 2010 23:00:19 GMT -6
Post by Claude on Jul 9, 2010 23:00:19 GMT -6
OMGUS is a watered down term that doesn't mean what most people think it means now. If it was as simple as you say, a Spy could attack anyone they want, for any reason whatsoever, and then when someone tried to attack them back they would just say 'OMGUS'.
If someone makes bad points against you, obviously you are going to A)refute those points and B)be suspicious of them for making them. It is natural.
And incidentally, you are incorrect about Camilla. She was absolutely not suspicious of me first. She said nothing about me before I laid into her. Hell, she was agreeing with my suspicions against Cory.
And let's just say, for one second, that you're right. I OMGUS people. Does that make Isaac any less of a dead Spy? No, it doesn't. Half of the reason that I play like I do is to draw attacks, and work out which ones are legitimate and which are not. This is a practice that I have used for years, and it is always effective. But it's not OMGUS. Awohali was suspicious of me for awhile, but I never had a problem with his reasoning. The same goes for Lawrence.
So no, I am not guilty of OMGUS. You do not understand the deeper meaning of the term.
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Jul 9, 2010 23:06:55 GMT -6
Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 9, 2010 23:06:55 GMT -6
 lmbo ok claude. now answer da otha onez ya lil bitch. |
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Jul 9, 2010 23:28:06 GMT -6
Post by Hambone on Jul 9, 2010 23:28:06 GMT -6
While I am pushing Jenny harder than I have the other suspects of mine, it is only because I strongly believe she's a Spy. She has done way too much weird stuff... from the Allan/Nita role stuff, to searching for Cits and not Spies, to never making cases, to that board of hers, etc... so much weird stuff that I find it hard to believe that she ain't a Spy. Even after she's been pestered for weeks about not making cases, I still don't see a case... So I guess you can call it a tunnel vision on Jenny. I'm never not going to suspect her most likely, but I will continue to look at other suspects and make cases. The fact that so many people agree with my case on Jenny makes me think that she could be innocent though. Would the Spies really let her be this huge target for all these weeks now?? That I don't know.... if they've given up on her, then yeah, but I also could be completely wrong too. And I didn't ignore the case on Isaac, I've simply never met him in my life. He wasn't on either of my tribes and when we merged I did not meet him. I wasn't gonna bandwagon on to a case for someone I hadn't ever met. When I said "ask Awohali if you have more questions." I only said that because Me and Him had similar views on Jenny, and we had discussed her a lot at that time. We went over her whole case together, basically. I never made that case on Z cuz I don't really suspect him much anymore, plain y simple.  |
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Jul 10, 2010 2:01:14 GMT -6
Post by Claude on Jul 10, 2010 2:01:14 GMT -6
It would be ridiculously obvious if all of the Spies just pile voted me to force me into nomination..and even then it doesn't guarantee anything, since Owen makes the ultimate decision. This would be a huge risk vs. minimal reward plan.
I have no other thoughts on Rondak, having not talked to him or even seen much out of him. It's really just based on the vote fog.
Hmm, did I really say that? I felt like I've had a town read on him most/all of the game. I'll go look for it I guess. I feel like his questioning(even to me) thus far has been sincere, albeit sometimes misguided.
Gertrude has moved down on my suspicion list some, largely because other people have moved up it. But I still don't think that both of these 2 are spies, I feel like there is too much dichotomy between them.
Chance's arguments are always phrased in a way that, if you don't like what he is saying(and tell him so), he will claim that he didn't mean it that way, and point out some obscure other interpretation that you can see possibly being true, even if you don't really feel like that was how he meant it. Plus other things, such as when he tried to downplay his argument with Broderick. Citizens don't try to downplay other people's suspicions of them, they try to acknowledge/understand/resolve them(obviously this is not applicable if said citizen thinks the person is a Spy).
Chance is inconsistent. He defended Camilla avidly on Day 1(something that I find to be a scum action in and of itself...I think he was just playing to the crowd there. I don't believe that a Citizen would just defend someone that was an unknown to them..you are effectively putting your life on the line, which is bad play. And Chance is not a bad player). Then on
Day 2, when Margot was run up in a very similar fashion as Camilla, he had absolutely nothing to say about it. I felt that he literally just let the wagon happen(I think he was going to try to use it against me after she got Exiled and flipped Citizen, except that I realized that the wagon was bad and got away from it).
Chance and Isaac are also tied together. Isaac's behavior toward Chance was remarkably different than his behavior toward various known town entities. While this is not a point that Chance can answer for, it is still a valid point. Chance, on the other hand, tried to just avoid direct interaction with Isaac whereever possible, and never even remotely got involved in the case against Isaac(which is understandable, as Isaac flipping Spy makes Chance look worse by assocation).
Chance was saved from Exile Day 2. Considering that, before this happened, he very much looked like he was going to get Exiled, it makes zero sense for a Spy to target him with this action if he is a Citizen. They would just be delaying a likely mislynch, which is nonsense. It is *possible* that it was a town role, but A)I doubt any townie would have targeted chance there and B)knowing that the town has a Doc and can prevent imprisonments, I doubt that the town can also prevent exiles as well.
I'm sure I can find more if I really need to.
Once it was revealed that Chance couldn't get lynched Day 2, I figured that I would become the default lynch because of my 'Exile me if Camilla is a Citizen' stance. According to this mindset, I claimed so that the town would know my role. That's it. I wasn't expecting future information to come of it, that really doesn't make sense.
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Jul 10, 2010 14:20:16 GMT -6
Post by Chance on Jul 10, 2010 14:20:16 GMT -6
1. it was mainly that, plus that she thought i was a spy based on clearly faulty 'evidence' and seemed to be avoiding awohali whenever he pressed her on it. i haven't seen anything of substance from jasmine in a long while, so i might change that to 'lurkishly unhelpful' at this point, but unhelpful? yes. and yes, i would also count magalie as unhelpful - mags seemed to be getting her act together after she was almost exiled, but has since slipped back off the radar.
2. i think i've mentioned this before somewhere, actually. when i thought 'spy', magalie didn't pop into my head. but she didn't pop into my head when i thought 'citizen' either.
3. i think it's a spy-ish role, yes. i'm not going to assume that it's a spy role because i'm not going to assume that i know better than sam, but i think it's scummy.
4. i don't think i was deflecting. the only person questioning me was claude, and all he was bringing up were things involving isaac that i couldn't defend myself against. i thought that awohali had said something that contradicted himself, yes.
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Jul 10, 2010 14:28:05 GMT -6
Post by Chance on Jul 10, 2010 14:28:05 GMT -6
what i defended camilla on was your insistence that she'd contradicted herself. that was a crap reason to suspect her - i saw it and several others saw it as well. i fail to see how defending someone from one of your more ludicrous accusations is scummy, personally.
margot was a lurker, camilla was not. big difference. i wasn't all for a margot lynch, no, but i wasn't all against it either. i was content with it, i suppose, because of my stance on lurkers/unhelpfuls. it isn't always about you, claude.
and gertrude was saved from exile day 4. i don't see you using this as a reason to suspect her, so... double standards much?
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Jul 10, 2010 18:54:31 GMT -6
Post by Claude on Jul 10, 2010 18:54:31 GMT -6
Yes, some people said that she didn't make the contradiction that I think she did. Yet, you were the only one to defend her so avidly(with Isaac chiming in a little, of course). I wonder why that difference is. Maybe, it's because the citizens disagreed with my one point, but didn't say anything else because they didn't know her alignment. But it was easy for you to defend her and try to look good, because you knew she was a Citizen.
Camilla was pretty much a lurker, actually. She was in chat all of what, 2 times before she got lynched? And didn't post any conversations etc. to her confessional. And it's great how you say, now, that you weren't 'all for' a Margot lynch. The point is that when it was going on, you said absolutely nothing. If you were fine with her lynch, why didn't you say so?
I haven't decided how I feel about that, because your alignment is unknown. If you are actually somehow a Citizen, then Gertrude being made immune doesn't really mean anything. If you're a Spy, then obviously she looks worse. The Spies had more information available to them when Gertrude was made immune, making the situation quite a bit different.
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Jul 10, 2010 20:01:25 GMT -6
Post by Cinnamyn on Jul 10, 2010 20:01:25 GMT -6
claude, 4 completeness' sake u did say dis in da united burg of o town thred:This reflects very poorly on Broderick, and definitely makes him a Second Tier Suspect to me, at this point.
hambone, wut were ur original zedekiah suspishinz.? im tryin' 2 figure out if u ackshully ever suspected him or r jus' tryin' 2 distance urself frum him without ackshully postin' a case.
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Gertrude
Gertrude
Jail changes an angel.
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Jul 11, 2010 1:51:54 GMT -6
Post by Gertrude on Jul 11, 2010 1:51:54 GMT -6
That's a good question, Cinnamyn. It's also hard for me to answer. I guess my response would be that it makes me feel better than my vote was actually going towards something that was within reach rather than feeling useless by voting alone.
However, if your point is that there's really not a difference, then there's really no reason to ask this question. Assuming that is your point, had I voted for Rondak, you would probably be asking me why I threw my vote away rather than voting something within reason. I see this as a tad unhelpful. If not, though, please enlighten me to the difference if I haven't gotten it right yet.
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Jul 11, 2010 18:57:45 GMT -6
Post by Hambone on Jul 11, 2010 18:57:45 GMT -6
We're back to Z now?
He kept saying the word "HQ" and he was being generally all-around stupid, no offense. He couldn't word anything correctly. Basically, what everyone was saying about him. It was and is hard to tell if he was or was not connected to Alexei. I say no nowadays, but you never know.
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