Episode 5 Group Chats
Jul 8, 2010 1:05:46 GMT -6
Post by Jenny on Jul 8, 2010 1:05:46 GMT -6
Like last time, continuing from right where the exile transcript ends.
[23:54] ra1ndrops2day: thnx mag
[23:54] ra1ndrops2day: have fun
[23:54] smgrant1100: has left the chat
[23:54] spies8magalie: your welcome
[23:54] spies8magalie: has left the chat
[23:54] spies8mary: I was hoping to get to say Cinnamyn was the biggest loser.
[23:55] ra1ndrops2day: thats mean
[23:55] spies8stephanie: lol
[23:55] spies8cinnamyn: i will take da high road on dat n' refrain frum commentin'
[23:55] spies8zedekiah: Well good luck bein on the auto exile mary
[23:56] spies8jenny: Huh?
[23:56] JessViewsSpies8: has left the chat
[23:56] spies8zedekiah: mary and brod both said the answers, didn't they?
[23:56] ra1ndrops2day: needs a zed translation
[23:56] ra1ndrops2day:
[23:56] ra1ndrops2day: someone buy me a zed dictionary
[23:57] spies8broderick: I said one hundred dollar price, not bribe
[23:57] spies8zedekiah: I won two rounds! I get t' author a dictionary!
[23:57] spies8broderick: We'll see I guess
[23:58] spies8jenny: It said automatic nomination first off, and he said it didn't matter with Mary since someone already won by then.
[23:58] spies8jenny: I don't think the senate would vote her out anyways.
[23:58] spies8broderick: I gotta hit the store
[23:58] spies8broderick: has left the chat
[23:59] spies8stephanie: so yay isaac was a spy!
[23:59] spies8stephanie: how many people here thought he was a spy?
[23:59] ra1ndrops2day: uh the store
[23:59] ra1ndrops2day:
[00:00] spies8jenny: I never really got to meet him myself. Only got to talk to him for a couple lines of text.
[00:00] spies8jenny: Hopefully things go well with his family at least.
[00:01] spies8stephanie: same with me, but maybe 10 line
[00:01] spies8stephanie: yes
[00:02] spies8zedekiah: there goes the theory o' a nomination mess up t' save a spy at least
[00:02] spies8jenny: There's still the matter of if claude or rondie are spies, since it would still help them.
[00:02] spies8stephanie: zeke, who did you vote?
[00:03] spies8zedekiah: Rondak
[00:03] spies8stephanie: ahh..ok
[00:03] spies8stephanie: and could you make heads or tails of the vote fog?
[00:04] spies8zedekiah: it seemed clear cut, Cits shouldn't vote without saying it
[00:05] spies8stephanie: so what does that mean? the fog came from the spies?
[00:06] spies8zedekiah: I didn't see a fog, when was it?
[00:06] spies8claude: Of course it came from the Spies.
[00:07] spies8jenny: You didn't read the nomination topic that got put up?
[00:07] spies8stephanie: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=927
[00:07] spies8claude: In the circumstances we were in, that had to have been a Spy ability.
[00:07] spies8jenny: All the votes were made annonymous officially.
[00:07] spies8jenny: We can say whatever we want in how we voted, but officially it's a secret.
[00:08] spies8zedekiah: oh then I voted Isaac
[00:09] spies8zedekiah: Who didn't declare thir votes before hand?
[00:09] spies8zedekiah: *their
[00:09] spies8tina: Isaac.
[00:10] spies8claude: Oh really, Zed? Because leading into it, you said you were going to vote Rondak?
[00:10] spies8jenny: Isaac's really the only one who didn't at least claim a vote.
[00:10] ra1ndrops2day: goodnight citizens and spiesssssssss
[00:10] ra1ndrops2day: has left the chat
[00:10] spies8stephanie: allan?
[00:10] spies8tina: Allan could not have done anything with his vote.
[00:10] spies8zedekiah: Claude, do ya understand the subtle sarcasm of smilies?
[00:11] spies8stephanie: but i don't remember seeing where allan said who he was voting for
[00:11] spies8jenny: Al only had a choice between Lucky and Isaac.
[00:11] spies8stephanie: oh that's right duhhhh
[00:12] sorintheseeker: has left the chat
[00:12] spies8stephanie: still it would have been nice to see which one he chose
[00:12] spies8zedekiah: for it t' make sense without anyone lying, isaac must have voted steph
[00:13] spies8stephanie: but why the fog if no one was lying, zeke?
[00:16] spies8zedekiah: There wouldn't be a reason, I guess, but either way it wasn't used well, spies have six votes, and they still couldn't get three above isaac, or didn't want to....
[00:16] spies8zedekiah: town wasn't informed about this till it was too late, right?
[00:18] spiesXTonisha: has left the chat
[00:22] spies8claude: Isaac hasn't even been on..I doubti t was him.
[00:22] spies8stephanie: he left before the steph wagon got rolling
[00:22] spies8jenny: Yeah they would have to have been planning to use this for a while if it was him.
[00:22] spies8claude: And now that Isaac has flipped spy, Chances 'case' on Jenny looks unreal scummy.
[00:23] spies8tina: It also pulls the "Lurking Chance" thing into question.
[00:23] spies8zedekiah: eh, maybe isaac was auto nom'ed then
[00:23] spies8claude: Isaac was nom'ed by a ton of people nominating him..
[00:24] spies8zedekiah: or so scum would make a show o doin before pulling this stunt
[00:25] spies8tina: What part of "nothing to be gained" do you not understand about the hidden vote topic.
[00:25] spies8tina: It is a bad thing to talk about since it has no bearings on anyones alignment.
[00:26] spies8tina: Why don't we go back to talking about what Isaac-Spy does to other reads.
[00:26] spies8claude: There really are very few 'bad things' to talk about
[00:26] spies8claude: And this isn't one.
[00:26] spies8tina: I see zero way it can be useful.
[00:26] spies8tina: Did you ever think anyone but Isaac or Jenny would go?
[00:27] spies8tina: For one minute, did any other nom cross your mind?
[00:27] spies8tina: Would Owen exile Steph? No. Claude? No. Rondak? No.
[00:27] spies8claude: No, of course not.
[00:27] spies8claude: But that's not ALL that there is to talk about.
[00:27] spies8claude: IMO, you are reacting too strongly to this.
[00:28] spies8tina: All I see coming out of this is paranoia and WFIOM.
[00:28] spies8claude: But anyway
[00:28] spies8claude: I hope we can lynch Chance now.
[00:28] spies8tina: That is a legitimate chance of happening.
[00:28] spies8stephanie: did you nominate chance, claude?
[00:29] spies8claude: I nominated Isaac.
[00:29] spies8stephanie: why not chance?
[00:35] spies8claude: I was without internet for the first few days of this Day period
[00:35] spies8claude: And came back 2 hours before nominations had to be in, with no one at all voting for Chance.
[00:35] spies8claude: I didn't want to waste my nomination, so, I used it on Isaac instead.
[00:36] spies8stephanie: ok
[00:36] spies8stephanie: i actually thought about moving off lawrence for same reason
[00:36] spies8stephanie: but decided that it wouldn't make any difference and left my vote on larry
[00:39] spies8lilith: I am back .
[00:39] spies8jenny: Yaaay!
[00:53] spies8claude: So with Isaac flipping Spy, it is extremely likely that both Jasmine and Cory are town.
[00:53] spies8mary: Why Cory?
[00:53] spies8claude: He has been voting Isaac for as long as I have(Day 2)
[00:53] spies8claude: It is virtually impossible that it was a bus.
[00:53] spies8mary: His Exile 2 vote was weak.
[00:54] spies8claude: Who, Cory?
[00:54] spies8mary: He gave no stated evidence.
[00:54] spies8tina: Jasmine and Claude get top tier. Cory is one of the secondary ones that are still more likely cit but not as strong.
[00:54] spies8mary: He said "gut".
[00:54] spies8lilith: I disagree Claude .
[00:54] spies8mary: He gets partial credit for his vote-shift yesterday.
[00:54] spies8tina: Cory does get some points.
[00:54] spies8lilith: Also, I was wrong Claude, your accusations were correct.
[00:54] spies8claude: There is probably alot of other good information from this lynch as well..mid-game spy lynches are typically information goldmines.
[00:55] spies8claude: I just hope we lynch Chance now
[00:55] spies8zedekiah: has left the chat
[00:55] spies8tina: He will probably be nommed.
[00:56] spies8lilith: I haven't actually spoken to Chance one-on-one and got a good read. But before the merge, the way Jasmine told me, with utter confidence, that Chance was a spy, I had that feeling that she was right and that he was.
[00:56] spies8lilith: But like I said, I haven't spoken to him yet.
[01:00] spies8cinnamyn: ok yall im out
[01:00] spies8cinnamyn: peace n' blessingz
[01:01] spies8stephanie: gn cinn
[01:01] spies8tina: Nite.
[01:01] spies8cinnamyn: has left the chat
[01:03] spies8hambone: has joined the chat
[01:03] spies8hambone: NO ONE TELL ME ANYTHING
[01:03] spies8hambone: im gonna go read the transcirpt
[01:04] spies8lilith: lol
[01:04] spies8hambone: cuz i dont know what happen tonight yet
[01:04] spies8tina: Jenny was exiled.
[01:04] spies8hambone: k bye
[01:04] spies8hambone: be back in 15
[01:07] spies8jenny: I think he believed you.
[01:07] spies8hambone: ISAAC WAS A SPY 0_0
[01:07] spies8hambone: wow what a SHITTY ass spy
[01:07] spies8hambone: he didnt even vote i think
[01:07] spies8jenny: We have no way of knowing if he did or not.
[01:07] spies8hambone: oh lol i didnt even see tina say that
[01:08] spies8jenny:
[01:08] spies8hambone: he wouldve posted and made a case if he was here, right?
[01:08] spies8hambone: unless the spies had just given up on him
[01:08] spies8jenny: He had to go to a funeral.
[01:08] spies8hambone: his own
[01:08] spies8jenny: I think he said his grandmothers.
[01:08] spies8stephanie: no he's been gone all week
[01:09] spies8hambone: and Mary got her vote back!
[01:09] spies8hambone: that bitch
[01:09] spies8hambone: i wanted my vote back
[01:09] spies8jenny: And a 3rd vote too!
[01:09] spies8hambone: OH
[01:09] spies8hambone: im a keep readin
[01:10] spies8hambone: im only like halfway
[01:11] spies8hambone: oh wow
[01:11] spies8hambone: im readin the hangman
[01:11] spies8hambone: and went
[01:11] spies8hambone: whats a Sneasy Soy?
[01:11] spies8hambone: Sneaky Spy
[01:11] spies8lilith: You ?
[01:11] spies8stephanie: sort of like the hundred dollar brige?
[01:11] spies8lilith: lol j/k
[01:12] spies8hambone: lol
[01:12] spies8tina: I wish that we orginized that better.
[01:12] spies8hambone: CINAMON too
[01:12] spies8hambone: dam
[01:12] spies8hambone: i wish i was there at hangman
[01:12] spies8hambone: my friend came over so i had to go
[01:12] spies8tina: Challenge should have been thrown so one of a few got their vote back.
[01:12] spies8hambone: fuckkk
[01:12] spies8hambone: i wouldve won that shit
[01:12] spies8tina: No one wanted to listen to me though.
[01:12] spies8hambone: what
[01:12] spies8hambone: u wanted to throw it to get UR vote back?
[01:12] spies8tina: No actually.
[01:12] spies8hambone: whose then
[01:13] spies8tina: I wanted Claude or Lil most.
[01:13] spies8hambone: how do u trust claude
[01:13] spies8tina: Isaac was a spy.
[01:13] spies8hambone: i guess
[01:13] spies8tina: Let's not forget that Isaac was trying to get post-claim Claude exiled.
[01:13] spies8hambone: what what
[01:13] spies8hambone: whats post claim
[01:13] spies8tina: After Claude claimed.
[01:14] spies8tina: I think they voted eachother E2.
[01:14] spies8hambone: oh
[01:14] spies8cory: Claude claimed a while back
[01:14] spies8hambone: i stll dont think claude's role is cit though
[01:14] spies8claude: lol
[01:14] spies8hambone: HI
[01:14] spies8hambone:
[01:14] spies8tina: Claude was still Isaac's top pick, and Isaac Claude's second.
[01:14] spies8claude: It's not an auto-citizen role
[01:14] spies8hambone: chance be talkin to me too much
[01:14] spies8claude: I've always said as much.
[01:14] spies8tina: I told you Claude's role looked breakable.
[01:15] spies8hambone: yeah well i agree that def makes him look 10X better
[01:15] spies8hambone: lol
[01:15] spies8hambone: any connections between isaac and alexei?
[01:15] spies8hambone: no right
[01:15] spies8cory: They were on opposite teams
[01:15] spies8cory: So no
[01:15] spies8tina: Did people listen? No. They said "Oh Tina you crazy!" WHO CRAZY NOW!
[01:15] spies8cory: Isaac was hard against Claude and Jasmine
[01:16] spies8tina: Right.
[01:16] spies8hambone: so does this clear Jasmine too
[01:16] spies8tina: I would argue it gives her almost as many points as Claude.
[01:16] spies8stephanie: ugh
[01:16] spies8tina: Enough to cement my earlier Jasmine-cit read.
[01:17] spies8cory: Worth noting he voted Themba over Magalie, but he also had her listed as his #2
[01:17] spies8tina: Themba being a suspect was surprising though.
[01:17] spies8tina: At least to me.
[01:17] spies8tina: I thought he had her as cit untill the vote.
[01:17] spies8cory: Did it come out of nowhere?
[01:17] spies8cory: Still, I don't know how much it says about Magalie
[01:18] spies8tina: I was more arguing with him over his Jasmine suspicions, but he was saying I gave him bad information about Themba.
[01:18] spies8cory: I have to check to see what his Magalie stance was prior to switching
[01:18] spies8hambone: themba being suspected isnt surprising at all
[01:18] spies8hambone: she was my #2 suspect
[01:18] spies8hambone: jenny being #1
[01:18] spies8stephanie: and themba was my #1 cit
[01:18] spies8tina: I actually have to admit I feel a little better about a Themba exile now. No way Isaac flipping spy would have let her live long.
[01:18] spies8hambone: citizens do stupid things without realizing it, and those are turned into cases
[01:19] spies8hambone: but anyway, question, for anyone to answer
[01:19] spies8stephanie: or maybe #2 after nita(who wasn't a cit)
[01:19] spies8hambone: now that Isaac turns out to be a Spy
[01:19] spies8hambone: this unfortunately makes Jenny look better
[01:19] spies8hambone: cuz the Spies wouldnt let 2 of themselves be nominated
[01:19] spies8hambone: right?
[01:19] spies8stephanie: i agree tina, if we'd exiled isaac, themba was nest
[01:19] spies8stephanie: next
[01:20] spies8hambone: hello?
[01:20] spies8stephanie: could they have prevented it?
[01:20] spies8hambone: well thats what im asking
[01:20] spies8cory: With this voting shroud they should have been able to prevent it
[01:20] spies8hambone: OH YEAH
[01:20] spies8hambone: can someone explain to me
[01:20] spies8hambone: what that was
[01:20] spies8jenny: I think it also helps Stephi a bit, since either Isaac voted her to break the tie that we had set up, or the spies cause her to be the third nomination after the cover up was turned on. Neiher of which makes sense to happen if she's a spy.
[01:20] spies8lilith: I just had an idea...
[01:21] spies8lilith: If the spies DID do the vote shroud, why not take off their votes on Isaac (a known spy)?... Unless not enough spies were ON Isaac to do that and take him out of the category?
[01:21] spies8lilith: Actually, taking him OFF the nominee list would just make the people claiming to vote him more suspect.
[01:21] spies8lilith: That didn't make any sense, lol.
[01:21] spies8tina: Doing that would make Isaac auto next exile.
[01:21] spies8cory: There were four on him at the end
[01:21] spies8cory: It would be noticeable if he wasn't shown up as a nominee
[01:22] spies8hambone: whoeever said the vote shroud is just a distraction is my best answer too
[01:22] spies8hambone: cuz there was no need for it
[01:22] spies8broderick: has joined the chat
[01:22] spies8hambone: everyone said who they were votin
[01:22] spies8lilith: I want to hypothesize on it, but I think it's best we ignore it and discuss more relevant things that are productive.
[01:23] spies8stephanie: so isaac voters were tina, claude, jasmine, cory, and mary
[01:23] spies8stephanie: are they cleared do we think?
[01:24] spies8cory: "Cleared" is a bad word.
[01:24] spies8jenny: There could still be bussing in there somewhere.
[01:24] spies8cory: Jasmine looks good though
[01:24] spies8broderick: Would assume no spies were on that
[01:24] spies8tina: I like the names on that list, but have a few reads that are not on the list that score higher on cit-dar.
[01:24] spies8stephanie: uh yeah probably
[01:25] spies8cory: Isaac and Jasmine's interactions don't look faked.
[01:25] spies8jenny: So I wouldn't just forget about them forever, but I do think it helps them.
[01:25] spies8stephanie: and of course that's assuming they didn't switch under the shroud
[01:27] spies8lilith: has left the chat
[01:27] spies8tina: Jasmine and Claude are strongest citizen reads coming out of there.
[01:27] spies8lilith: has joined the chat
[01:27] spies8mary: Lilith would disagree with you.
[01:27] spies8broderick: Why is Jasmine a cit read?
[01:27] spies8lilith: Atleast it lets me back this time.
[01:27] spies8lilith: What do I disagree on?
[01:27] spies8mary: As would Broderick, apparently.
[01:28] spies8tina: Because of everything that has happened... I would be pretty surprised if they were spies together.
[01:28] spies8lilith: Jasmine and Isaac?
[01:28] spies8tina: Isaac -> Jasmine is weaker dissociation then Jasmine -> Isaac though.
[01:29] spies8broderick: So a cit read based off Jasmine/Isaac interactions/connection?
[01:29] spies8stephanie: that's what i thought earlier, and i thought jasmine more scummy of the 2
[01:29] spies8tina: Yes.
[01:29] spies8lilith: I DID just have a theory about the nominees that were put up. I know I said I wouldn't hypothesize but it makes sense to me. What if it was because Isaac is a spy, Jenny and Steph are citizens. But if Isaac goes it is fine with the spies because they were bussing him?
[01:29] spies8hambone: right now im looking at 3 ppl in particular
[01:29] spies8hambone: wait just realized my font aint right
[01:29] spies8hambone: there!
[01:30] spies8hambone: still jenny
[01:30] spies8hambone: brody
[01:30] spies8hambone: and magalie
[01:30] spies8lilith: Brody?
[01:30] spies8broderick: Spies will bus each other. A lot more common than people seem to think.
[01:30] spies8hambone: ill be making a case on him soon
[01:30] spies8hambone: but
[01:30] spies8hambone: my reason for magalie
[01:30] spies8hambone: is somethin i just noticed about 5 min ago
[01:30] spies8hambone: that i wanted to run by u guys
[01:31] spies8hambone: i just read the transcript cuz i wasnt here at exile
[01:31] spies8hambone: once isaac was revealed to be a spy
[01:31] spies8hambone: magalie have this long sentence
[01:31] spies8hambone: in .2 milliseconds
[01:31] spies8hambone: how she write that so fast
[01:31] spies8hambone: unless she already had it typed out
[01:32] spies8hambone: what do u all think?
[01:32] spies8stephanie: i had mine typed out beforehand
[01:32] spies8hambone: huh?!
[01:33] spies8hambone: so u knew what was gonna happen ??
[01:33] spies8stephanie: no, but i was hoping
[01:33] spies8hambone: ok well someone who aint crazy
[01:33] spies8hambone: tina, cory?
[01:34] spies8stephanie:
[01:34] spies8hambone:
[01:34] spies8lilith: I didn't know what to type, LOL.
[01:34] spies8lilith: I was kinda in shock to be honest .
[01:35] spies8lilith: Little excited, little in disbelief.
[01:35] spies8hambone: im gonna go look at the other exiles
[01:35] spies8lilith: I thought for sure Claude was mafia and that Isaac would turn up innocent, LOL.
[01:35] spies8hambone: and compare
[01:36] spies8hambone: ok here is alexei
[01:36] spies8hambone: Judge Sam (10:32:16 PM): Alexei
Judge Sam (10:32:18 PM): was
Judge Sam (10:32:19 PM): a
Judge Sam (10:32:21 PM): Spy!
spies8owen (10:32:23 PM): !
[01:36] spies8lilith: Btw - I am going to look up old chats and see how Isaac interacted with people and I suggest everyone else do the same.
[01:36] spies8broderick: My gut was torn between what he would flip
[01:36] spies8hambone: it took owen .2 milliseconds to write an exclamation point
[01:36] spies8lilith: A ! doesn't really say anything about what the reveal was, LOL.
[01:36] spies8gertrude: That's actually 2 milliseconds, not .2 .
[01:36] spies8hambone: oh
[01:36] spies8hambone:
[01:36] spies8hambone: 2 milliseconds!
[01:36] spies8lilith: He could have even written it and pressed enter before Sam revealed .
[01:37] spies8hambone: maybe ya
[01:37] spies8broderick: Isn't it just two seconds
[01:37] spies8gertrude: Wait, no. That's just seconds.
[01:37] spies8lilith: I tried to make it look like Jenny got exiled and sam typed it before he did to see Jenny's reaction, LOL.
[01:37] spies8hambone: just pointin it out
[01:38] spies8tina: Sorry, TV is on.
[01:38] spies8tina: It was a quick response but not a solid tell.
[01:39] spies8stephanie: ok, ham, as the master of crazy theories, you just got a point in my book
[01:39] spies8hambone: woohoo!
[01:39] spies8hambone: aint that bad of a theory!
[01:39] spies8hambone: "!" compared to her long ass sentence
[01:39] spies8tina: If Hambone, Steph and Lil enter a room together alone, the world shall be desroyed.
[01:39] spies8hambone:
[01:39] spies8lilith:
[01:39] spies8lilith: Why would we destroy a world?
[01:40] spies8tina: Insane theories.
[01:40] spies8stephanie: but we'd have fun and at least be in the room
[01:40] spies8lilith:
[01:40] spies8lilith: Insane theories can be correct, you know.
[01:40] spies8stephanie: unlike dane and allan and...
[01:40] spies8tina: Can be.
[01:40] spies8tina: I should keep a complilation of them.
[01:40] spies8lilith: Dane doesn't have insane theories, just dumb ones .
[01:40] spies8broderick: lol
[01:40] spies8lilith: I actually haven't read any of Dane's theories though, except the "Lilith's Approach is Wrong" theory he has.
[01:40] spies8lilith:
[01:40] spies8stephanie: and he's never in the room
[01:40] spies8broderick: I think Dane showing up would be a crazy theory
[01:41] spies8tina: May not be the worst idea in the world to give Dane a few votes as a relatity check.
[01:41] spies8stephanie: and has anyone actually ever seen awohali?
[01:41] spies8tina: I have seen him a few times.
[01:41] spies8jenny: Sorry, was getting myself a drink over here. Yeah those are seconds, not mililseconds. I don't know of any chat logs that have it that precise.
[01:42] spies8lilith: Reading old chats of Isaac, and I feel like every person he talks to isn't his partner, LOL.
[01:42] spies8broderick: I have seen Awohali.
[01:42] spies8stephanie: his posts seem pretty solid, but i've never actually seen him
[01:42] spies8jenny: Both Dane and Hali seem to come on earlier in the day then everyone else.
[01:45] spies8hambone: Dane is a spy cuz backwards it spells "Enad", and that's pig latin for "spy"
[01:45] spies8hambone:
[01:45] spies8stephanie: what are you trying for another point?
[01:45] spies8hambone: lolol
[01:45] spies8hambone: yes
[01:45] spies8jenny: Wouldn't that by py-slay?
[01:45] spies8hambone: i have no idea what pig latin is
[01:45] spies8hambone: lol
[01:46] spies8stephanie: py-say i think
[01:46] spies8gertrude: has left the chat
[01:46] spies8broderick: lol
[01:47] spies8claude: I think Isaac is a not particularly tricky player.
[01:47] spies8claude: I would like for co-Spies among the people he agreed with throughout the game, particularly early.
[01:47] spies8broderick: Huh?
[01:48] spies8lilith: Claude, who do you think Isaac's co-spies are?
[01:48] spies8claude: You mean other than Chance? heh
[01:48] spies8claude: I'll have to take a look
[01:49] spies8claude: I'll make sure to do so before the next Imprisonment; I consider myself heavily likely to get killed now.
[01:50] spies8tina: You and me both.
[01:50] spies8broderick: Why not andnot before?
[01:50] spies8broderick: *now
[01:51] spies8tina: Me or Claude?
[01:52] spies8broderick: Claude
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[01:52] spies8claude: Before, there was a Chance of the Spies getting a mislynch on me(minor though it might have been)
[01:52] spies8claude: Now, there is virtually none.
[01:53] spies8hambone: OWEN
[01:53] spies8hambone: congratulations
[01:54] spies8broderick: Why do you think virtually none now?
[01:55] spies8owen: HAMMY
[01:55] spies8owen: Thank you.
[01:55] spies8claude: There is no way that anyone can make a valid case that I bussed Isaac, because it is clear that didn't happen.
[01:55] spies8owen: Just noticed I was dc/ed and re-entered chat now.
[01:55] spies8owen: Have been a bit distracted watching something.
[01:55] spies8stephanie: has left the chat
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[01:56] spies8stephanie: ok that was weird
[01:57] spies8broderick: How is it clear that you didn't bus him?
[01:57] spies8claude: How is it not clear?
[01:57] spies8claude: He's been voting me for ridiculously bad reasons ever since I claimed(he was voting me before that, but really just barned Chance).
[01:58] spies8claude: I've been voting him for legitimate reasons, and try to get other people to do the same, since halfway through Day 2.
[01:58] spies8lilith: Reading the way Isaac is interacting with Chance, I'd lead towards Chance as a not-spy at this moment.
[01:58] spies8claude: Bussing doesn't happen nearly as often as people like to think it does, it's just an easy way for scum to downplay a townie's role in a successful lynch and take advantage of the fact that townies rarely actually trust each other, without overwhelming evidence(investigations, etc).
[01:59] spies8broderick: I disagree. Bussing is not rare, and it happens more often than people think it does.
[01:59] spies8broderick: Why would he solo vote you for Ep 2?
[01:59] spies8claude: It doesn't, but I'm not going to be able to prove it to you until the game is over.
[02:00] spies8claude: Because he didn't want to actually participate in the game.
[02:00] spies8broderick: lol It does Claude
[02:00] spies8claude: It happens, but not with any consistency, especially in games that are effectively blind
[02:00] spies8claude: bussing is a valid argument when people know each other's play history.
[02:00] spies8broderick: Agree to disagree then
[02:00] spies8claude: afk a few
[02:00] spies8broderick: It is a valid argument regardless of meta
[02:01] spies8broderick: orplay history
[02:01] spies8lilith: I agree with Eric.
[02:02] spies8lilith: It's HOW people attack the spies thought that matters.
[02:02] spies8stephanie: i would agree, but i've already been told it was the stupidest thing ever by both nita and kiara
[02:02] spies8lilith: It won't be hard, looking back, to distingush who is a citizen using citizen knowledge to attack Isaac, or who is a spy doing so as a bus. If you know what to look for.
[02:03] spies8lilith: Nita thought Themba was a spy, she makes mistakes.
[02:03] spies8tina: There is a difference in "must be bussed, lets vote a voter" and "could have bussed".
[02:04] spies8tina: I do agree that Claude-spy is not really going to happen.
[02:04] spies8lilith: You don't think Claude is a spy?
[02:04] spies8tina: No.
[02:04] spies8tina: He would be a top five cit read based off interactions.
[02:04] spies8tina: Depending on how I am feeling about people, maybe top three.
[02:05] spies8lilith: Now when you say interactions, do you mean the accusing Isaac?
[02:06] spies8lilith: Or HOW he accuses him?
[02:06] spies8tina: Somewhat both.
[02:07] spies8tina: I only really saw it from Isaac's side, but he voted him every chance he got.
[02:07] spies8tina: Even when he came over the Reps, he was still talking about him.
[02:08] spies8tina: Claude kept Isaac as second most likely spy since E2, and voted him accordingly at all opportunities.
[02:08] spies8tina: Plus he was actually the most active person pushing him today.
[02:08] spies8tina: While if you talked with Owen it should have been obvious Isaac was going, it was not set in stone.
[02:09] spies8stephanie: it def eases my mind about owen
[02:09] spies8stephanie: while i thought him cit, it's good to have a little confirmation of it
[02:10] spies8broderick: brb
[02:12] spies8stephanie: i'm off to bed guys -- see you tomorrow
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[02:18] spies8hambone: same here!
[02:18] spies8hambone: ttyl guys
[02:18] spies8hambone: has left the chat
[02:19] spies8broderick: has left the chat
[02:27] spies8claude: back now, had to get food
[02:28] spies8claude: stupid bold text
[02:30] spies8lilith: spies8isaac 5:53 pm
Claude's hard to figure out. He makes up his mind and runs with it.
[02:31] spies8claude: When was that
[02:31] spies8lilith: Just something that caught my interest, I'm not sure what to make of it yet, LOL.
[02:31] spies8claude: Must have been before Chance decided to try and make a terrible case on me to get me lynched.
[02:32] spies8lilith: It was after the switch.
[02:32] spies8lilith: Before Gabe died.
[02:32] spies8claude: While he was trying to get me mislynched? What consistency.
[02:46] spies8gertrude: has joined the chat
[02:46] spies8gertrude: Hello?
[02:46] spies8gertrude: Wow.
[02:46] spies8gertrude: My internet exploded forever.
[03:01] spies8gertrude: has left the chat
[03:03] spies8jenny: Alright well it's 3 am over here, and there's no way my brain is going to process everything right now, so I'm going to head to bed, and start putting things together in the morning. I'll go ahead and start up a new topic for the chat logs quick at least.
[23:54] ra1ndrops2day: thnx mag
[23:54] ra1ndrops2day: have fun
[23:54] smgrant1100: has left the chat
[23:54] spies8magalie: your welcome
[23:54] spies8magalie: has left the chat
[23:54] spies8mary: I was hoping to get to say Cinnamyn was the biggest loser.
[23:55] ra1ndrops2day: thats mean
[23:55] spies8stephanie: lol
[23:55] spies8cinnamyn: i will take da high road on dat n' refrain frum commentin'
[23:55] spies8zedekiah: Well good luck bein on the auto exile mary
[23:56] spies8jenny: Huh?
[23:56] JessViewsSpies8: has left the chat
[23:56] spies8zedekiah: mary and brod both said the answers, didn't they?
[23:56] ra1ndrops2day: needs a zed translation
[23:56] ra1ndrops2day:
[23:56] ra1ndrops2day: someone buy me a zed dictionary
[23:57] spies8broderick: I said one hundred dollar price, not bribe
[23:57] spies8zedekiah: I won two rounds! I get t' author a dictionary!
[23:57] spies8broderick: We'll see I guess
[23:58] spies8jenny: It said automatic nomination first off, and he said it didn't matter with Mary since someone already won by then.
[23:58] spies8jenny: I don't think the senate would vote her out anyways.
[23:58] spies8broderick: I gotta hit the store
[23:58] spies8broderick: has left the chat
[23:59] spies8stephanie: so yay isaac was a spy!
[23:59] spies8stephanie: how many people here thought he was a spy?
[23:59] ra1ndrops2day: uh the store
[23:59] ra1ndrops2day:
[00:00] spies8jenny: I never really got to meet him myself. Only got to talk to him for a couple lines of text.
[00:00] spies8jenny: Hopefully things go well with his family at least.
[00:01] spies8stephanie: same with me, but maybe 10 line
[00:01] spies8stephanie: yes
[00:02] spies8zedekiah: there goes the theory o' a nomination mess up t' save a spy at least
[00:02] spies8jenny: There's still the matter of if claude or rondie are spies, since it would still help them.
[00:02] spies8stephanie: zeke, who did you vote?
[00:03] spies8zedekiah: Rondak
[00:03] spies8stephanie: ahh..ok
[00:03] spies8stephanie: and could you make heads or tails of the vote fog?
[00:04] spies8zedekiah: it seemed clear cut, Cits shouldn't vote without saying it
[00:05] spies8stephanie: so what does that mean? the fog came from the spies?
[00:06] spies8zedekiah: I didn't see a fog, when was it?
[00:06] spies8claude: Of course it came from the Spies.
[00:07] spies8jenny: You didn't read the nomination topic that got put up?
[00:07] spies8stephanie: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=927
[00:07] spies8claude: In the circumstances we were in, that had to have been a Spy ability.
[00:07] spies8jenny: All the votes were made annonymous officially.
[00:07] spies8jenny: We can say whatever we want in how we voted, but officially it's a secret.
[00:08] spies8zedekiah: oh then I voted Isaac
[00:09] spies8zedekiah: Who didn't declare thir votes before hand?
[00:09] spies8zedekiah: *their
[00:09] spies8tina: Isaac.
[00:10] spies8claude: Oh really, Zed? Because leading into it, you said you were going to vote Rondak?
[00:10] spies8jenny: Isaac's really the only one who didn't at least claim a vote.
[00:10] ra1ndrops2day: goodnight citizens and spiesssssssss
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[00:10] spies8stephanie: allan?
[00:10] spies8tina: Allan could not have done anything with his vote.
[00:10] spies8zedekiah: Claude, do ya understand the subtle sarcasm of smilies?
[00:11] spies8stephanie: but i don't remember seeing where allan said who he was voting for
[00:11] spies8jenny: Al only had a choice between Lucky and Isaac.
[00:11] spies8stephanie: oh that's right duhhhh
[00:12] sorintheseeker: has left the chat
[00:12] spies8stephanie: still it would have been nice to see which one he chose
[00:12] spies8zedekiah: for it t' make sense without anyone lying, isaac must have voted steph
[00:13] spies8stephanie: but why the fog if no one was lying, zeke?
[00:16] spies8zedekiah: There wouldn't be a reason, I guess, but either way it wasn't used well, spies have six votes, and they still couldn't get three above isaac, or didn't want to....
[00:16] spies8zedekiah: town wasn't informed about this till it was too late, right?
[00:18] spiesXTonisha: has left the chat
[00:22] spies8claude: Isaac hasn't even been on..I doubti t was him.
[00:22] spies8stephanie: he left before the steph wagon got rolling
[00:22] spies8jenny: Yeah they would have to have been planning to use this for a while if it was him.
[00:22] spies8claude: And now that Isaac has flipped spy, Chances 'case' on Jenny looks unreal scummy.
[00:23] spies8tina: It also pulls the "Lurking Chance" thing into question.
[00:23] spies8zedekiah: eh, maybe isaac was auto nom'ed then
[00:23] spies8claude: Isaac was nom'ed by a ton of people nominating him..
[00:24] spies8zedekiah: or so scum would make a show o doin before pulling this stunt
[00:25] spies8tina: What part of "nothing to be gained" do you not understand about the hidden vote topic.
[00:25] spies8tina: It is a bad thing to talk about since it has no bearings on anyones alignment.
[00:26] spies8tina: Why don't we go back to talking about what Isaac-Spy does to other reads.
[00:26] spies8claude: There really are very few 'bad things' to talk about
[00:26] spies8claude: And this isn't one.
[00:26] spies8tina: I see zero way it can be useful.
[00:26] spies8tina: Did you ever think anyone but Isaac or Jenny would go?
[00:27] spies8tina: For one minute, did any other nom cross your mind?
[00:27] spies8tina: Would Owen exile Steph? No. Claude? No. Rondak? No.
[00:27] spies8claude: No, of course not.
[00:27] spies8claude: But that's not ALL that there is to talk about.
[00:27] spies8claude: IMO, you are reacting too strongly to this.
[00:28] spies8tina: All I see coming out of this is paranoia and WFIOM.
[00:28] spies8claude: But anyway
[00:28] spies8claude: I hope we can lynch Chance now.
[00:28] spies8tina: That is a legitimate chance of happening.
[00:28] spies8stephanie: did you nominate chance, claude?
[00:29] spies8claude: I nominated Isaac.
[00:29] spies8stephanie: why not chance?
[00:35] spies8claude: I was without internet for the first few days of this Day period
[00:35] spies8claude: And came back 2 hours before nominations had to be in, with no one at all voting for Chance.
[00:35] spies8claude: I didn't want to waste my nomination, so, I used it on Isaac instead.
[00:36] spies8stephanie: ok
[00:36] spies8stephanie: i actually thought about moving off lawrence for same reason
[00:36] spies8stephanie: but decided that it wouldn't make any difference and left my vote on larry
[00:39] spies8lilith: I am back .
[00:39] spies8jenny: Yaaay!
[00:53] spies8claude: So with Isaac flipping Spy, it is extremely likely that both Jasmine and Cory are town.
[00:53] spies8mary: Why Cory?
[00:53] spies8claude: He has been voting Isaac for as long as I have(Day 2)
[00:53] spies8claude: It is virtually impossible that it was a bus.
[00:53] spies8mary: His Exile 2 vote was weak.
[00:54] spies8claude: Who, Cory?
[00:54] spies8mary: He gave no stated evidence.
[00:54] spies8tina: Jasmine and Claude get top tier. Cory is one of the secondary ones that are still more likely cit but not as strong.
[00:54] spies8mary: He said "gut".
[00:54] spies8lilith: I disagree Claude .
[00:54] spies8mary: He gets partial credit for his vote-shift yesterday.
[00:54] spies8tina: Cory does get some points.
[00:54] spies8lilith: Also, I was wrong Claude, your accusations were correct.
[00:54] spies8claude: There is probably alot of other good information from this lynch as well..mid-game spy lynches are typically information goldmines.
[00:55] spies8claude: I just hope we lynch Chance now
[00:55] spies8zedekiah: has left the chat
[00:55] spies8tina: He will probably be nommed.
[00:56] spies8lilith: I haven't actually spoken to Chance one-on-one and got a good read. But before the merge, the way Jasmine told me, with utter confidence, that Chance was a spy, I had that feeling that she was right and that he was.
[00:56] spies8lilith: But like I said, I haven't spoken to him yet.
[01:00] spies8cinnamyn: ok yall im out
[01:00] spies8cinnamyn: peace n' blessingz
[01:01] spies8stephanie: gn cinn
[01:01] spies8tina: Nite.
[01:01] spies8cinnamyn: has left the chat
[01:03] spies8hambone: has joined the chat
[01:03] spies8hambone: NO ONE TELL ME ANYTHING
[01:03] spies8hambone: im gonna go read the transcirpt
[01:04] spies8lilith: lol
[01:04] spies8hambone: cuz i dont know what happen tonight yet
[01:04] spies8tina: Jenny was exiled.
[01:04] spies8hambone: k bye
[01:04] spies8hambone: be back in 15
[01:07] spies8jenny: I think he believed you.
[01:07] spies8hambone: ISAAC WAS A SPY 0_0
[01:07] spies8hambone: wow what a SHITTY ass spy
[01:07] spies8hambone: he didnt even vote i think
[01:07] spies8jenny: We have no way of knowing if he did or not.
[01:07] spies8hambone: oh lol i didnt even see tina say that
[01:08] spies8jenny:
[01:08] spies8hambone: he wouldve posted and made a case if he was here, right?
[01:08] spies8hambone: unless the spies had just given up on him
[01:08] spies8jenny: He had to go to a funeral.
[01:08] spies8hambone: his own
[01:08] spies8jenny: I think he said his grandmothers.
[01:08] spies8stephanie: no he's been gone all week
[01:09] spies8hambone: and Mary got her vote back!
[01:09] spies8hambone: that bitch
[01:09] spies8hambone: i wanted my vote back
[01:09] spies8jenny: And a 3rd vote too!
[01:09] spies8hambone: OH
[01:09] spies8hambone: im a keep readin
[01:10] spies8hambone: im only like halfway
[01:11] spies8hambone: oh wow
[01:11] spies8hambone: im readin the hangman
[01:11] spies8hambone: and went
[01:11] spies8hambone: whats a Sneasy Soy?
[01:11] spies8hambone: Sneaky Spy
[01:11] spies8lilith: You ?
[01:11] spies8stephanie: sort of like the hundred dollar brige?
[01:11] spies8lilith: lol j/k
[01:12] spies8hambone: lol
[01:12] spies8tina: I wish that we orginized that better.
[01:12] spies8hambone: CINAMON too
[01:12] spies8hambone: dam
[01:12] spies8hambone: i wish i was there at hangman
[01:12] spies8hambone: my friend came over so i had to go
[01:12] spies8tina: Challenge should have been thrown so one of a few got their vote back.
[01:12] spies8hambone: fuckkk
[01:12] spies8hambone: i wouldve won that shit
[01:12] spies8tina: No one wanted to listen to me though.
[01:12] spies8hambone: what
[01:12] spies8hambone: u wanted to throw it to get UR vote back?
[01:12] spies8tina: No actually.
[01:12] spies8hambone: whose then
[01:13] spies8tina: I wanted Claude or Lil most.
[01:13] spies8hambone: how do u trust claude
[01:13] spies8tina: Isaac was a spy.
[01:13] spies8hambone: i guess
[01:13] spies8tina: Let's not forget that Isaac was trying to get post-claim Claude exiled.
[01:13] spies8hambone: what what
[01:13] spies8hambone: whats post claim
[01:13] spies8tina: After Claude claimed.
[01:14] spies8tina: I think they voted eachother E2.
[01:14] spies8hambone: oh
[01:14] spies8cory: Claude claimed a while back
[01:14] spies8hambone: i stll dont think claude's role is cit though
[01:14] spies8claude: lol
[01:14] spies8hambone: HI
[01:14] spies8hambone:
[01:14] spies8tina: Claude was still Isaac's top pick, and Isaac Claude's second.
[01:14] spies8claude: It's not an auto-citizen role
[01:14] spies8hambone: chance be talkin to me too much
[01:14] spies8claude: I've always said as much.
[01:14] spies8tina: I told you Claude's role looked breakable.
[01:15] spies8hambone: yeah well i agree that def makes him look 10X better
[01:15] spies8hambone: lol
[01:15] spies8hambone: any connections between isaac and alexei?
[01:15] spies8hambone: no right
[01:15] spies8cory: They were on opposite teams
[01:15] spies8cory: So no
[01:15] spies8tina: Did people listen? No. They said "Oh Tina you crazy!" WHO CRAZY NOW!
[01:15] spies8cory: Isaac was hard against Claude and Jasmine
[01:16] spies8tina: Right.
[01:16] spies8hambone: so does this clear Jasmine too
[01:16] spies8tina: I would argue it gives her almost as many points as Claude.
[01:16] spies8stephanie: ugh
[01:16] spies8tina: Enough to cement my earlier Jasmine-cit read.
[01:17] spies8cory: Worth noting he voted Themba over Magalie, but he also had her listed as his #2
[01:17] spies8tina: Themba being a suspect was surprising though.
[01:17] spies8tina: At least to me.
[01:17] spies8tina: I thought he had her as cit untill the vote.
[01:17] spies8cory: Did it come out of nowhere?
[01:17] spies8cory: Still, I don't know how much it says about Magalie
[01:18] spies8tina: I was more arguing with him over his Jasmine suspicions, but he was saying I gave him bad information about Themba.
[01:18] spies8cory: I have to check to see what his Magalie stance was prior to switching
[01:18] spies8hambone: themba being suspected isnt surprising at all
[01:18] spies8hambone: she was my #2 suspect
[01:18] spies8hambone: jenny being #1
[01:18] spies8stephanie: and themba was my #1 cit
[01:18] spies8tina: I actually have to admit I feel a little better about a Themba exile now. No way Isaac flipping spy would have let her live long.
[01:18] spies8hambone: citizens do stupid things without realizing it, and those are turned into cases
[01:19] spies8hambone: but anyway, question, for anyone to answer
[01:19] spies8stephanie: or maybe #2 after nita(who wasn't a cit)
[01:19] spies8hambone: now that Isaac turns out to be a Spy
[01:19] spies8hambone: this unfortunately makes Jenny look better
[01:19] spies8hambone: cuz the Spies wouldnt let 2 of themselves be nominated
[01:19] spies8hambone: right?
[01:19] spies8stephanie: i agree tina, if we'd exiled isaac, themba was nest
[01:19] spies8stephanie: next
[01:20] spies8hambone: hello?
[01:20] spies8stephanie: could they have prevented it?
[01:20] spies8hambone: well thats what im asking
[01:20] spies8cory: With this voting shroud they should have been able to prevent it
[01:20] spies8hambone: OH YEAH
[01:20] spies8hambone: can someone explain to me
[01:20] spies8hambone: what that was
[01:20] spies8jenny: I think it also helps Stephi a bit, since either Isaac voted her to break the tie that we had set up, or the spies cause her to be the third nomination after the cover up was turned on. Neiher of which makes sense to happen if she's a spy.
[01:20] spies8lilith: I just had an idea...
[01:21] spies8lilith: If the spies DID do the vote shroud, why not take off their votes on Isaac (a known spy)?... Unless not enough spies were ON Isaac to do that and take him out of the category?
[01:21] spies8lilith: Actually, taking him OFF the nominee list would just make the people claiming to vote him more suspect.
[01:21] spies8lilith: That didn't make any sense, lol.
[01:21] spies8tina: Doing that would make Isaac auto next exile.
[01:21] spies8cory: There were four on him at the end
[01:21] spies8cory: It would be noticeable if he wasn't shown up as a nominee
[01:22] spies8hambone: whoeever said the vote shroud is just a distraction is my best answer too
[01:22] spies8hambone: cuz there was no need for it
[01:22] spies8broderick: has joined the chat
[01:22] spies8hambone: everyone said who they were votin
[01:22] spies8lilith: I want to hypothesize on it, but I think it's best we ignore it and discuss more relevant things that are productive.
[01:23] spies8stephanie: so isaac voters were tina, claude, jasmine, cory, and mary
[01:23] spies8stephanie: are they cleared do we think?
[01:24] spies8cory: "Cleared" is a bad word.
[01:24] spies8jenny: There could still be bussing in there somewhere.
[01:24] spies8cory: Jasmine looks good though
[01:24] spies8broderick: Would assume no spies were on that
[01:24] spies8tina: I like the names on that list, but have a few reads that are not on the list that score higher on cit-dar.
[01:24] spies8stephanie: uh yeah probably
[01:25] spies8cory: Isaac and Jasmine's interactions don't look faked.
[01:25] spies8jenny: So I wouldn't just forget about them forever, but I do think it helps them.
[01:25] spies8stephanie: and of course that's assuming they didn't switch under the shroud
[01:27] spies8lilith: has left the chat
[01:27] spies8tina: Jasmine and Claude are strongest citizen reads coming out of there.
[01:27] spies8lilith: has joined the chat
[01:27] spies8mary: Lilith would disagree with you.
[01:27] spies8broderick: Why is Jasmine a cit read?
[01:27] spies8lilith: Atleast it lets me back this time.
[01:27] spies8lilith: What do I disagree on?
[01:27] spies8mary: As would Broderick, apparently.
[01:28] spies8tina: Because of everything that has happened... I would be pretty surprised if they were spies together.
[01:28] spies8lilith: Jasmine and Isaac?
[01:28] spies8tina: Isaac -> Jasmine is weaker dissociation then Jasmine -> Isaac though.
[01:29] spies8broderick: So a cit read based off Jasmine/Isaac interactions/connection?
[01:29] spies8stephanie: that's what i thought earlier, and i thought jasmine more scummy of the 2
[01:29] spies8tina: Yes.
[01:29] spies8lilith: I DID just have a theory about the nominees that were put up. I know I said I wouldn't hypothesize but it makes sense to me. What if it was because Isaac is a spy, Jenny and Steph are citizens. But if Isaac goes it is fine with the spies because they were bussing him?
[01:29] spies8hambone: right now im looking at 3 ppl in particular
[01:29] spies8hambone: wait just realized my font aint right
[01:29] spies8hambone: there!
[01:30] spies8hambone: still jenny
[01:30] spies8hambone: brody
[01:30] spies8hambone: and magalie
[01:30] spies8lilith: Brody?
[01:30] spies8broderick: Spies will bus each other. A lot more common than people seem to think.
[01:30] spies8hambone: ill be making a case on him soon
[01:30] spies8hambone: but
[01:30] spies8hambone: my reason for magalie
[01:30] spies8hambone: is somethin i just noticed about 5 min ago
[01:30] spies8hambone: that i wanted to run by u guys
[01:31] spies8hambone: i just read the transcript cuz i wasnt here at exile
[01:31] spies8hambone: once isaac was revealed to be a spy
[01:31] spies8hambone: magalie have this long sentence
[01:31] spies8hambone: in .2 milliseconds
[01:31] spies8hambone: how she write that so fast
[01:31] spies8hambone: unless she already had it typed out
[01:32] spies8hambone: what do u all think?
[01:32] spies8stephanie: i had mine typed out beforehand
[01:32] spies8hambone: huh?!
[01:33] spies8hambone: so u knew what was gonna happen ??
[01:33] spies8stephanie: no, but i was hoping
[01:33] spies8hambone: ok well someone who aint crazy
[01:33] spies8hambone: tina, cory?
[01:34] spies8stephanie:
[01:34] spies8hambone:
[01:34] spies8lilith: I didn't know what to type, LOL.
[01:34] spies8lilith: I was kinda in shock to be honest .
[01:35] spies8lilith: Little excited, little in disbelief.
[01:35] spies8hambone: im gonna go look at the other exiles
[01:35] spies8lilith: I thought for sure Claude was mafia and that Isaac would turn up innocent, LOL.
[01:35] spies8hambone: and compare
[01:36] spies8hambone: ok here is alexei
[01:36] spies8hambone: Judge Sam (10:32:16 PM): Alexei
Judge Sam (10:32:18 PM): was
Judge Sam (10:32:19 PM): a
Judge Sam (10:32:21 PM): Spy!
spies8owen (10:32:23 PM): !
[01:36] spies8lilith: Btw - I am going to look up old chats and see how Isaac interacted with people and I suggest everyone else do the same.
[01:36] spies8broderick: My gut was torn between what he would flip
[01:36] spies8hambone: it took owen .2 milliseconds to write an exclamation point
[01:36] spies8lilith: A ! doesn't really say anything about what the reveal was, LOL.
[01:36] spies8gertrude: That's actually 2 milliseconds, not .2 .
[01:36] spies8hambone: oh
[01:36] spies8hambone:
[01:36] spies8hambone: 2 milliseconds!
[01:36] spies8lilith: He could have even written it and pressed enter before Sam revealed .
[01:37] spies8hambone: maybe ya
[01:37] spies8broderick: Isn't it just two seconds
[01:37] spies8gertrude: Wait, no. That's just seconds.
[01:37] spies8lilith: I tried to make it look like Jenny got exiled and sam typed it before he did to see Jenny's reaction, LOL.
[01:37] spies8hambone: just pointin it out
[01:38] spies8tina: Sorry, TV is on.
[01:38] spies8tina: It was a quick response but not a solid tell.
[01:39] spies8stephanie: ok, ham, as the master of crazy theories, you just got a point in my book
[01:39] spies8hambone: woohoo!
[01:39] spies8hambone: aint that bad of a theory!
[01:39] spies8hambone: "!" compared to her long ass sentence
[01:39] spies8tina: If Hambone, Steph and Lil enter a room together alone, the world shall be desroyed.
[01:39] spies8hambone:
[01:39] spies8lilith:
[01:39] spies8lilith: Why would we destroy a world?
[01:40] spies8tina: Insane theories.
[01:40] spies8stephanie: but we'd have fun and at least be in the room
[01:40] spies8lilith:
[01:40] spies8lilith: Insane theories can be correct, you know.
[01:40] spies8stephanie: unlike dane and allan and...
[01:40] spies8tina: Can be.
[01:40] spies8tina: I should keep a complilation of them.
[01:40] spies8lilith: Dane doesn't have insane theories, just dumb ones .
[01:40] spies8broderick: lol
[01:40] spies8lilith: I actually haven't read any of Dane's theories though, except the "Lilith's Approach is Wrong" theory he has.
[01:40] spies8lilith:
[01:40] spies8stephanie: and he's never in the room
[01:40] spies8broderick: I think Dane showing up would be a crazy theory
[01:41] spies8tina: May not be the worst idea in the world to give Dane a few votes as a relatity check.
[01:41] spies8stephanie: and has anyone actually ever seen awohali?
[01:41] spies8tina: I have seen him a few times.
[01:41] spies8jenny: Sorry, was getting myself a drink over here. Yeah those are seconds, not mililseconds. I don't know of any chat logs that have it that precise.
[01:42] spies8lilith: Reading old chats of Isaac, and I feel like every person he talks to isn't his partner, LOL.
[01:42] spies8broderick: I have seen Awohali.
[01:42] spies8stephanie: his posts seem pretty solid, but i've never actually seen him
[01:42] spies8jenny: Both Dane and Hali seem to come on earlier in the day then everyone else.
[01:45] spies8hambone: Dane is a spy cuz backwards it spells "Enad", and that's pig latin for "spy"
[01:45] spies8hambone:
[01:45] spies8stephanie: what are you trying for another point?
[01:45] spies8hambone: lolol
[01:45] spies8hambone: yes
[01:45] spies8jenny: Wouldn't that by py-slay?
[01:45] spies8hambone: i have no idea what pig latin is
[01:45] spies8hambone: lol
[01:46] spies8stephanie: py-say i think
[01:46] spies8gertrude: has left the chat
[01:46] spies8broderick: lol
[01:47] spies8claude: I think Isaac is a not particularly tricky player.
[01:47] spies8claude: I would like for co-Spies among the people he agreed with throughout the game, particularly early.
[01:47] spies8broderick: Huh?
[01:48] spies8lilith: Claude, who do you think Isaac's co-spies are?
[01:48] spies8claude: You mean other than Chance? heh
[01:48] spies8claude: I'll have to take a look
[01:49] spies8claude: I'll make sure to do so before the next Imprisonment; I consider myself heavily likely to get killed now.
[01:50] spies8tina: You and me both.
[01:50] spies8broderick: Why not andnot before?
[01:50] spies8broderick: *now
[01:51] spies8tina: Me or Claude?
[01:52] spies8broderick: Claude
[01:52] spies8owen: has left the chat
[01:52] spies8owen: has joined the chat
[01:52] spies8claude: Before, there was a Chance of the Spies getting a mislynch on me(minor though it might have been)
[01:52] spies8claude: Now, there is virtually none.
[01:53] spies8hambone: OWEN
[01:53] spies8hambone: congratulations
[01:54] spies8broderick: Why do you think virtually none now?
[01:55] spies8owen: HAMMY
[01:55] spies8owen: Thank you.
[01:55] spies8claude: There is no way that anyone can make a valid case that I bussed Isaac, because it is clear that didn't happen.
[01:55] spies8owen: Just noticed I was dc/ed and re-entered chat now.
[01:55] spies8owen: Have been a bit distracted watching something.
[01:55] spies8stephanie: has left the chat
[01:56] spies8stephanie: has joined the chat
[01:56] spies8stephanie: ok that was weird
[01:57] spies8broderick: How is it clear that you didn't bus him?
[01:57] spies8claude: How is it not clear?
[01:57] spies8claude: He's been voting me for ridiculously bad reasons ever since I claimed(he was voting me before that, but really just barned Chance).
[01:58] spies8claude: I've been voting him for legitimate reasons, and try to get other people to do the same, since halfway through Day 2.
[01:58] spies8lilith: Reading the way Isaac is interacting with Chance, I'd lead towards Chance as a not-spy at this moment.
[01:58] spies8claude: Bussing doesn't happen nearly as often as people like to think it does, it's just an easy way for scum to downplay a townie's role in a successful lynch and take advantage of the fact that townies rarely actually trust each other, without overwhelming evidence(investigations, etc).
[01:59] spies8broderick: I disagree. Bussing is not rare, and it happens more often than people think it does.
[01:59] spies8broderick: Why would he solo vote you for Ep 2?
[01:59] spies8claude: It doesn't, but I'm not going to be able to prove it to you until the game is over.
[02:00] spies8claude: Because he didn't want to actually participate in the game.
[02:00] spies8broderick: lol It does Claude
[02:00] spies8claude: It happens, but not with any consistency, especially in games that are effectively blind
[02:00] spies8claude: bussing is a valid argument when people know each other's play history.
[02:00] spies8broderick: Agree to disagree then
[02:00] spies8claude: afk a few
[02:00] spies8broderick: It is a valid argument regardless of meta
[02:01] spies8broderick: orplay history
[02:01] spies8lilith: I agree with Eric.
[02:02] spies8lilith: It's HOW people attack the spies thought that matters.
[02:02] spies8stephanie: i would agree, but i've already been told it was the stupidest thing ever by both nita and kiara
[02:02] spies8lilith: It won't be hard, looking back, to distingush who is a citizen using citizen knowledge to attack Isaac, or who is a spy doing so as a bus. If you know what to look for.
[02:03] spies8lilith: Nita thought Themba was a spy, she makes mistakes.
[02:03] spies8tina: There is a difference in "must be bussed, lets vote a voter" and "could have bussed".
[02:04] spies8tina: I do agree that Claude-spy is not really going to happen.
[02:04] spies8lilith: You don't think Claude is a spy?
[02:04] spies8tina: No.
[02:04] spies8tina: He would be a top five cit read based off interactions.
[02:04] spies8tina: Depending on how I am feeling about people, maybe top three.
[02:05] spies8lilith: Now when you say interactions, do you mean the accusing Isaac?
[02:06] spies8lilith: Or HOW he accuses him?
[02:06] spies8tina: Somewhat both.
[02:07] spies8tina: I only really saw it from Isaac's side, but he voted him every chance he got.
[02:07] spies8tina: Even when he came over the Reps, he was still talking about him.
[02:08] spies8tina: Claude kept Isaac as second most likely spy since E2, and voted him accordingly at all opportunities.
[02:08] spies8tina: Plus he was actually the most active person pushing him today.
[02:08] spies8tina: While if you talked with Owen it should have been obvious Isaac was going, it was not set in stone.
[02:09] spies8stephanie: it def eases my mind about owen
[02:09] spies8stephanie: while i thought him cit, it's good to have a little confirmation of it
[02:10] spies8broderick: brb
[02:12] spies8stephanie: i'm off to bed guys -- see you tomorrow
[02:12] spies8stephanie: has left the chat
[02:18] spies8hambone: same here!
[02:18] spies8hambone: ttyl guys
[02:18] spies8hambone: has left the chat
[02:19] spies8broderick: has left the chat
[02:27] spies8claude: back now, had to get food
[02:28] spies8claude: stupid bold text
[02:30] spies8lilith: spies8isaac 5:53 pm
Claude's hard to figure out. He makes up his mind and runs with it.
[02:31] spies8claude: When was that
[02:31] spies8lilith: Just something that caught my interest, I'm not sure what to make of it yet, LOL.
[02:31] spies8claude: Must have been before Chance decided to try and make a terrible case on me to get me lynched.
[02:32] spies8lilith: It was after the switch.
[02:32] spies8lilith: Before Gabe died.
[02:32] spies8claude: While he was trying to get me mislynched? What consistency.
[02:46] spies8gertrude: has joined the chat
[02:46] spies8gertrude: Hello?
[02:46] spies8gertrude: Wow.
[02:46] spies8gertrude: My internet exploded forever.
[03:01] spies8gertrude: has left the chat
[03:03] spies8jenny: Alright well it's 3 am over here, and there's no way my brain is going to process everything right now, so I'm going to head to bed, and start putting things together in the morning. I'll go ahead and start up a new topic for the chat logs quick at least.